Do you have a Morkie? (Vancouver, BC)

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Morkie123

Do you have a morkie?

I would like to know where morkie mom's got their morkies, ie: a reputable morkie breeder in Vancouver, B.C. or nearby?

* As a post script *
I would like to get a morkie. I know they aren't registered and are a mixed breed, but I don't think that means that all breeders are not reputable.

Please do not post back with a debate about breeders of mixed dogs. I have a rescued dog already and I really, really would love a morkie from a reputable morkie breeder.

I have 2 rescue Morkies and also a Yorkie. You have a right to post questions about purchasing a Morkie and not be attacked My groomer has Morkie puppies right now but unfortunately I live in IL so this reference would not be of help to you. She is very responsible and her Maltese and Yorkies are beautiful. If I was in the market to purchase she would be my choice. Good luck in your search! Thank you for opening your heart and home to a rescue!

[QUOTE=Lorraine;2385248]Just don't be fooled by the hybrid vigour claim of many mutt breeders. I do pet grooming and groom many mixed breeds many of which have temperment and health issues including genetic ones.
For genetic issues, don't forget genes can match up from each parent in a mix and those combinations don't care if they are in a purebred or a crossbreed if they are the right ones to manifest the condition. Ergo I have seen yorkie/maltese mixes with liver shunt and jack russell crosses with Legge-Calves-Perthes and mixes of many breeds with blown knees before they were 3 years old and spinal problems that had to be put down by age of 6 years because of severe pain that could not be managed.
Good luck in your search but regardless of what you are searching for, be informed and search wisely.[/QUOTE

Posts like this always make me uncomfortable so I would like to respond with:
If you can't say something nice PLEASE say nothing at all.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by najanpebbles

if you do research on dogs you will see that a real mutt is one of which parentage in unknown or a result of inbreeding.

Wrong. The very definitin of "mutt" as defined by Webster's dictionary:

Main Entry: mutt
2 : a mongrel dog : cur

Mongrel
1: an individual resulting from the interbreeding of diverse breeds or strains ; especially : one of unknown ancestry
2: a cross between types of persons or things

"Mutt" in an accurate term for any non-purebred dog by definition. Taking offense to it and trying to turn it into something derogatory is a personl choice. If you choose to do so, that is your right, but it's unrealistic to think that everyone will conform to that way of thinking.

Originally Posted by najanpebbles

also if you do research on Yorkie you will see that in developing the breed many different breeds of terriers (and some believe even the Maltese) were used to create the dog we all love now.

You are very right about that. But isbreeding "Morkies" is being done as an effort to create new breeds with a purpose, as was done with the Yorkies? No, so that's really a moot point.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

Posts like this always make me uncomfortable so I would like to respond with:
If you can't say something nice PLEASE say nothing at all.

Such is often the case with a public forum. Many people do not agree with purposely cross breeding dogs for a multitude of reasosn and feel very strongly about the issue. And they have every right to state their views on the issue and voice their opinions when they agree or disagree with what is being stated, as long as it can be done in a civil manner, as Loraine very clearly did. Her post was nothing more than a warning that mutts are not free of health issues as is often claimed, nothing more. Seems like a good piece of advice since so many people out there seem to believe that mistruth. I'm not sure why that would make anyone feel 'uncomfortable.'

[Lorraine]

What is a reputable breeder? A breeder of mixed breeds are breeding to sell puppies no other reason.
Yes the Yorkie was the result of PUREBRED FANCIERS (note the term) striving to create a breed and there was a lot of money, time, effort and records kept for many decades to eventually produce the Yorkie of today that breeds true which is the drill for any purebred dog that purebred fanciers have produced and their efforts are now in our Registration books of bona fide registry Clubs.

I wrote this a year ago, it is on my website. There is a vast difference between a REPUTABLE purebred showbreeder and a breeder of any sort breeding only to fill a pet market and nothing more.


WHAT IS A REPUTABLE BREEDER?

Someone once asked me what is a reputable breeder? At the time I was not willing to give a ready answer as I needed to really put some thought into it. A reputable breeder, in my opinion, hopefully is one I can only aspire to be myself, enough to hold my head up and know I am treating my dogs, my kennel name, my fellow Yorkie breeders who trust me with their line, the time they gave me to help me, my breed, and indeed the intent and purpose of the purebred and show dog world with dignity and respect. I alone have to take the responsibility to rise up and aspire to a reputation of contributing to the breed and carrying the legacy left me by the breeders that have handed it over to the newcomers and laid the foundation of our respective breeds. I can only hope the reputable breeder is the one I will see whenever I look in the mirror and hopefully, I will see the images reflected back of perhaps some other fellow true purebred dog fanciers currently in the show rings.
©

Lorraine Effa

November 2007

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Such is often the case with a public forum. Many people do not agree with purposely cross breeding dogs for a multitude of reasosn and feel very strongly about the issue. And they have every right to state their views on the issue and voice their opinions when they agree or disagree with what is being stated, as long as it can be done in a civil manner, as Loraine very clearly did. Her post was nothing more than a warning that mutts are not free of health issues as is often claimed, nothing more. Seems like a good piece of advice since so many people out there seem to believe that mistruth. I'm not sure why that would make anyone feel 'uncomfortable.'

But she did very nicely ask that this thread NOT turn into that and now it has once again. That is what bothers me. It's just not cool.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

But she did very nicely ask that this thread NOT turn into that and now it has once again.

Unfortunately, as forums go, you cannot control what others post in response, no matter how many times you 'nicely ask,' particularly when the topic of discussion is one that so many feel so strongly against. "I'm going to start a thread but I only want XYZ responses" That's just not how it works.

In any case, the OP, who 'nicely asked', only has 3 posts, started this thread weeks ago, and has not posted since it 'resurfaced,' either in this thread or elsewhere.

[Lorraine]

Okay, lets go at it from this angle. i loved my first Yorkie I ever bought dearly as I did the second one.
However, having said that I really wish I had bought informed the first years even if at that time I just wanted a pet. I didn't really know I was going to end up getting involved in the breed as I did, but at that time there was no internet and I didn't know the difference between a reputable breeder and a byb.
I wish I had had all the advice and knowledge available now to anyone who cares to do it right whether just buying a pet or wanting to get into show dogs and breeding with care and ethics.
NOW when I see what people get including all the support in the world from me for a pet puppy or that people have bought even a pet from show breeders I respect, I can see the vast difference from where I got my first Yorkies.
Luckily i learned along the way and was willing to believe and be mentored by those show breeders willing to teach me.
As I often have advised, if you aren't interested in a purebred and are happy with a mix, rescue instead. There are getting to be more and more ending up in rescues with the financial crisis going on that people end up losing their homes and can't take their pet with them.
I don't see how good advice and willingness to share knowledge should ever be resented. Except perhaps if the 'I want what I want and don't care about anything else' syndrom is the drive prevalent in todays world.

[wildcard]

Perhaps the solution is to start a separate message board called MorkieTalk. Then people that believe that breeding Morkies purposefully is a good idea can have a place to post where they will not hear any comments about why many do not think it is a good idea. Another idea would be to post questions about Morkies in the YorkieTalk area identified for Off Topic Discussions (for non-yorkie matters) or in the Yorkies Brothers and Sisters section. Otherwise, I can't imagine why it would come as a surprise that in a section devoted to breeding yorkies that people are going to have opinions that morkie-seekers might not appreciate. I think that would cut down on a lot of the "well the OP did not want to hear those comments" vs "we are going to give them because this is a public board" discussions. Just a thought.

[megansmomma]

I would like to add one more thing to my post in this thread. The OP poster came here on 12/09 as a new member, posted asking for Morkie owners to only post and she was then "given an education" along with a Webster dictionary definition of a MUTT. She has not been back since IMO~Public forum or not this is just now right and not how I was taught as a child to behave toward others. I carry this lesson with me as an adult and passed it on to my children who will hopefully pass it on to theirs. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it does not have to be delivered attached to a BRICK!

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by wildcard

Perhaps the solution is to start a separate message board called MorkieTalk. Then people that believe that breeding Morkies purposefully is a good idea can have a place to post where they will not hear any comments about why many do not think it is a good idea. Another idea would be to post questions about Morkies in the YorkieTalk area identified for Off Topic Discussions (for non-yorkie matters) or in the Yorkies Brothers and Sisters section. Otherwise, I can't imagine why it would come as a surprise that in a section devoted to breeding yorkies that people are going to have opinions that morkie-seekers might not appreciate. I think that would cut down on a lot of the "well the OP did not want to hear those comments" vs "we are going to give them because this is a public board" discussions. Just a thought.

So you are saying that I should only post about my yorkie in the general forum but my 2 morkies should be expelled to the Brother and sister forum or better yet banished to an entirely different forum all together?

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I would like to add one more thing to my post in this thread. The OP poster came here on 12/09 as a new member, posted asking for Morkie owners to only post and she was then "given an education" along with a Webster dictionary definition of a MUTT. She has not been back since IMO~Public forum or not this is just now right and not how I was taught as a child to behave toward others. I carry this lesson with me as an adult and passed it on to my children who will hopefully pass it on to theirs. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it does not have to be delivered attached to a BRICK!

If you would have gotten as many calls or seen as much as I have when people have bought uninformed and for the protection of animals in general, dogs in particular, sometimes a brick is required but often doesn't get through anyway. But at least i tried.

[hugz4all4]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Unfortunately, as forums go, you cannot control what others post in response, no matter how many times you 'nicely ask,' particularly when the topic of discussion is one that so many feel so strongly against. "I'm going to start a thread but I only want XYZ responses" That's just not how it works.

In any case, the OP, who 'nicely asked', only has 3 posts, started this thread weeks ago, and has not posted since it 'resurfaced,' either in this thread or elsewhere.

yep just like keely-momma did when she posted the "mutt rant" she slammed everyone that replied to her post then she ran.

this topic will always be a debate and thats really sad.. the op didnt ask for the die hard so called reptuable purebred breeders to give them thier opioion, he/she asked if anyone knew about a breeder of Morkie's in thier area... yes this is a public forum and everyone that is a member has a right to post.. but why are those select few always turning a simple question into a huge debate? If you dont like the topic or like the fact that they are looking for a yorkie "mutt" then bite your tongue and move on. Do you really think that the few of you that posted about how bad "mutts" are and those who breed them changed this person's mind about getting what they were looking for in the first place? umm probably not.. I hate to break it to you all.. You didnt change my mind at all and Im the proud owner of a beautiful yorkie "mutt" ...

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I would like to add one more thing to my post in this thread. The OP poster came here on 12/09 as a new member, posted asking for Morkie owners to only post and she was then "given an education" along with a Webster dictionary definition of a MUTT. She has not been back since

The OP hasn't been on since she posted on 12/9....this is 12/23. She wasn't 'given' anything. The responses that were made today were in response to the comments that have been made since the thread was bumped yesterday...so the 'this is no way to treat a new member' line does not apply. Yes, I posted a copied definition from a dictionary...again, in response to someone OTHER THAN the new member/OP to correct something that was stated incorrectly and because I don't feel people should have to defend their choice of words and be told they are wrong when, in fact, they very correct.

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

So you are saying that I should only post about my yorkie in the general forum but my 2 morkies should be expelled to the Brother and sister forum or better yet banished to an entirely different forum all together?

No, that is not what I am saying. People can post whereever they want-- but in doing so they should understand that they might not get the responses they desire, especially when you ask for a morkie breeder reference in a section about breeding yorkies.

I have one yorkie, and I also own papillons. If I want to ask where I could get a papillon, or if someone knew a good papillon breeder, well, yeah, I would do it in the brothers and sisters section or off topic section. Or I would look for a papillon specific forum to ask for a reference. I don't consider that to be an expulsion.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by hugz4all4

this topic will always be a debate and thats really sad..

It's sad that it's even a something to discuss to begin with.

Originally Posted by hugz4all4

the op didnt ask for the die hard so called reptuable purebred breeders to give them thier opioion, he/she asked if anyone knew about a breeder of Morkie's in thier area...

Yes, she asked that on 12/9, got precisely the responses she came for, and has not been back on YT since 12/12. Again, this is 12/23...the thread was bumped mere days ago and responses made were NOT to the OP. I'm sorry, but I fail to see where the OP is even a factor in the whole equation here?

Originally Posted by hugz4all4

Do you really think that the few of you that posted about how bad "mutts" are and those who breed them changed this person's mind about getting what they were looking for in the first place? umm probably not..

Do you know for a fact that it didn't? Or that someone else reading didn't stop and consider the information and decide to further research it for themselves. Maybe, maybe not, but it certainly wouldn't have happened if those who feel strongly about it and are educated on the suject had just 'bitten their tounge.'

Originally Posted by hugz4all4

yes this is a public forum and everyone that is a member has a right to post..

And that is really the bottom line, plain and simple.