Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2249009)

research and promotion of the breed

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2248961)

No offense, but the Yorkie in the picture does not appear to be a 'red leg.'

Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2249044)

Ok, I searched on here and found info on redlegs and I am a little confused. My dog widget has redlegs but definately does not look like one of those.

Why would you want to breed a dog that looks like a fox, and has course hair into your yorkies. I do not see how this would improve the breed?:confused:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...-confused.html

Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2248388)

:thumbup:Great thoughts on the YT!! The Biewer has already been determened not 100% Yorkie. they are thinking that the white/parti color came from, possibly the Shih-tzu. If I remembe rcorrectly, this is why they are dropping the YT out of the name and calling them Biewer Terriers.

Originally Posted by topknot (Post 2249156)

I was always thinking (just my own thoughts of where the white gene came from) that it was a Maltese. Reason is because back in the 80's most of the people that had a yorkie/s also had Malteses. Similar to yorkie people also owning Crested now.
T.

Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2248135)

I dont believe you can improve anything with pet quality and color doesnt improve structure, conformation, etc. Please tell me how color alone can do this. I doubt if the YTCA will want to add any colors that were never there to begin with. Why would they add non standard colors? Human drug company analogies have nothing to do with breeding sound dogs. They are not only "in it" to make money(hand over fist I might add), but hopefully to heal or treat disease, etc in people. And what other "special interest group" would you have do the research and why would they do it? Who better to be involved in the research than the breed club that promotes the breed and knows the breed better than anyone else? I wouldnt have the Saint Bernard breed club, the Skye Terrier club, the Girl Scouts, or FFA doing the research, would you? Just as I wouldnt have the YTCA be involved in the research of Pug Dog Encephalitus. And not all show breeders have tightly line bred dogs. Yes, show breeders have some health issues now and then, but far less than the mill, bybr breeders as they never care what they produce. So that tells me that the linebred and well bred show dogs are actually healthier. What I dont understand is why you seem to have such a chip on your shoulder reguarding the YTCA. You bash them and their members frequently. I would think that you would be happy that this group and its members are footing the bill for health research. I guess it must be that parti thing.

Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2248388)

:thumbup:Great thoughts on the YT!! The Biewer has already been determened not 100% Yorkie. they are thinking that the white/parti color came from, possibly the Shih-tzu. If I remembe rcorrectly, this is why they are dropping the YT out of the name and calling them Biewer Terriers.

Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2248908)

Wow, I have never seen anybody selling Dumbo Yorkies for huge money...lol Did you just make that up?

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2249009)

You have spent half of that on your own breeding stock. How on Earth do you figure that equates to an organization that has raised money for research? :confused: You have spent money essentially on stock to benefit your own program--that is not at all comprable to a breed club raising money to benefit research and promotion of the breed.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2249044)

Ok, I searched on here and found info on redlegs and I am a little confused. My dog widget has redlegs but definately does not look like one of those.

Why would you want to breed a dog that looks like a fox, and has course hair into your yorkies. I do not see how this would improve the breed?:confused:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...-confused.html

Originally Posted by topknot (Post 2249156)

I was always thinking (just my own thoughts of where the white gene came from) that it was a Maltese. Reason is because back in the 80's most of the people that had a yorkie/s also had Malteses. Similar to yorkie people also owning Crested now.
T.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2249259)

Maybe we can start breeding for that feature and become instant millionaires.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2249276)

The old timeers believed that the gene that causes the red leg, also helps to impove coat quality. I believe that is what I read. So many of them kept a red leg in their program to put back in, what the in breeding took out.

Imagine that a how breeder breeding a yorkie that did not conform to standards, to produce dogs that did conform.

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2249273)

What year was the YTCA formed?

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2249257)

That is true, and it is evident in their coloring, there are many Biewers out there that the color does not break and the black on the head remains bloack.

The parti on the other hand is pure yorkie. The DNA proved that and there is written documentation from the AKC to verify that fact.

Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2248921)

Holy cow $84,000 for the whole YTCA that is pretty sad if that figure is accurate. I have spent almost half that by myself on my dogs and researching to find out if there really are problems with parti's and Goldens.

Originally Posted by topknot (Post 2249156)

I was always thinking (just my own thoughts of where the white gene came from) that it was a Maltese. Reason is because back in the 80's most of the people that had a yorkie/s also had Malteses. Similar to yorkie people also owning Crested now.
T.

Originally Posted by iLuv Reeses (Post 2249327)

I have read that part as well. As reds (wired coated ones which changed their coat texture while breaking their colors) can bring out the color when bred with a silky coated (not wooly/cottony) in its immediate progenies. However, it also comes back down in the succeeding generation of the line.

"Years ago Mrs. Annie Swan, of the Invincia Yorkies, told us to keep one in our breeding program. She said everyone kept a so called "Red". They occasionally appeared from silky coated parents. No one ever showed them, but since they had the ability to return color pattern to it's proper boundaries and the ability to darken the color of a lighter dog when bred to them, they were on occasion bred in. Bred to cottony or wooly texture they usually have little effect. Bred to silk texture they improve color. Bred together they usually produce themselves and occasionally a lovely colored silk dog - but this is the exception."

paragraph lifted from:
Color & Texture article of Joan Gordon
to read more...
Color & Texture by Joan Gordon

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2249255)

As I clearly stated, the various color genes might also be responsible for other things such as skin coat teeth etc. By totally eliminating one particular gene, that was a natural part of the yorkie gene pool, other issues might arise.

For example, in those funny little hairless crested dogs. The gene that causes them to be hairless, also causes them to lose their teeth.

If you read any historical articles (other than the YTCA's highly biased) information, you will learn that the dogs that made up the original yorkshire terrier were a variety of colors, so why wouldn't they carry these other recessive genes.

You keep reiterating the same things over and over every time this issue comes up in a new thread. You have not come up with any research to support your comments, other than they YTCA.

I repeatedly back you into a corner because, unlike you, I do research the subject, and then you come out of the corner throwing around erroneous insults about puppy millers and bybs and the thread eventually ends up getting closed.

So folks be prepared for this thread to be closed soon.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2249255)

As I clearly stated, the various color genes might also be responsible for other things such as skin coat teeth etc. By totally eliminating one particular gene, that was a natural part of the yorkie gene pool, other issues might arise.

For example, in those funny little hairless crested dogs. The gene that causes them to be hairless, also causes them to lose their teeth.

If you read any historical articles (other than the YTCA's highly biased) information, you will learn that the dogs that made up the original yorkshire terrier were a variety of colors, so why wouldn't they carry these other recessive genes.

You keep reiterating the same things over and over every time this issue comes up in a new thread. You have not come up with any research to support your comments, other than they YTCA.

I repeatedly back you into a corner because, unlike you, I do research the subject, and then you come out of the corner throwing around erroneous insults about puppy millers and bybs and the thread eventually ends up getting closed.

So folks be prepared for this thread to be closed soon.

Originally Posted by topknot (Post 2249143)

I personally would never use a red leg. I knew a lot of good AKC/show breeders in the past too and they never used a red legged either. I would not want that short hair gene running in my pups I was responsible for. Just my opinion. I would rather breed to a correct silky coat. I also look at color of the tan and want it to be vibrant. Today there are so many yorkies with good color and silky texture - you do not need a red legged, so why do it! I go by the standard.
Of course structure is the most important!! You must have that first! It is like the flour of the cake. It holds everything together well! You know what I mean?
It is also important to test your dogs and have them evaluated before breeding. And learn all you can about their pedigrees. This will help in producing healthy pups/dogs.
T.

Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2248921)

Holy cow $84,000 for the whole YTCA that is pretty sad if that figure is accurate. I have spent almost half that by myself on my dogs and researching to find out if there really are problems with parti's and Goldens.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2249255)

As I clearly stated, the various color genes might also be responsible for other things such as skin coat teeth etc. By totally eliminating one particular gene, that was a natural part of the yorkie gene pool, other issues might arise.

For example, in those funny little hairless crested dogs. The gene that causes them to be hairless, also causes them to lose their teeth.

If you read any historical articles (other than the YTCA's highly biased) information, you will learn that the dogs that made up the original yorkshire terrier were a variety of colors, so why wouldn't they carry these other recessive genes.

You keep reiterating the same things over and over every time this issue comes up in a new thread. You have not come up with any research to support your comments, other than they YTCA.

I repeatedly back you into a corner because, unlike you, I do research the subject, and then you come out of the corner throwing around erroneous insults about puppy millers and bybs and the thread eventually ends up getting closed.

So folks be prepared for this thread to be closed soon.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2249270)

I'd like to know exactly what type of research they if it wasn't to breed the dogs and then record the results?

Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 2249670)

The YTCA Foundation, Inc. was created in 1991 as an arm of the YTCA to collect and disperse donations for research into health issues related to the YT. It collects and donates $ to the AKC CHF (Canine Health Foundation) and is allowed to direct where its donations are spent within the AKC CHF. The AKC CHF in turns provides the funds to actual research scientists (generally at universities) that use it to pay for particular projects, for example, studies of liver shunt, liver disease and endocrine disease in breeds (sometimes just YT, sometimes in combination with other breeds who have similar disorders). You can visit the AKC CHF site to learn what programs are related to what breeds and who has donated funds-- here is the YT page AKC Canine Health Foundation Grants Listings

As you can see, there is a whole lot more to it that having a breeding program and recording results. I am not a YTCA member but I highly doubt that the YTCA funds its own breeding program and calls it research.