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Golden Parti 09-16-2008 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Kbsqueff (Post 2241296)

I don't usually post in threads from breeders' forum but everyone has to agree that Golden Party is being a good sport... And everybody else is playing nice:D:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: I'll join in :clapsmile
I think they are trying to test me because I am the new guy...lol

BamaFan121s 09-16-2008 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2241128)
More being bred means a better gene pool to chose from.
Sadly, not even remotely close to the truth. Look at how many people are breeding Yorkies these days because of their popularity....you would think that there would be a GREAT gene pool to choose from, but that is far from reality. :( Ideally if all breeders were breeding to constantly improve and preserve the standard, that would be the case, but it's not. So as a result, you have a bunch of dogs that don't even remotely resemble what a Yorkie should look like and post even here from people who want to know if their Yorkie is pure or why their Yorkie ended up being 16 pounds when they are only supposed to be 7 or take your pick of a dozen genetic illnesses that people are facing with their dogs.

No, unfortunately, "the more being bred" is not neccessarily a good thing.:(

Golden Parti 09-16-2008 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2241318)
Sadly, not even remotely close to the truth. Look at how many people are breeding Yorkies these days because of their popularity....you would think that there would be a GREAT gene pool to choose from, but that is far from reality. :( Ideally if all breeders were breeding to constantly improve and preserve the standard, that would be the case, but it's not. So as a result, you have a bunch of dogs that don't even remotely resemble what a Yorkie should look like and post even here from people who want to know if their Yorkie is pure or why their Yorkie ended up being 16 pounds when they are only supposed to be 7 or take your pick of a dozen genetic illnesses that people are facing with their dogs.

No, unfortunately, "the more being bred" is not neccessarily a good thing.:(

Well if I was the only one breeding them that would make for an extremely small gene pool. There would not be a whole lot of variety in the pedigrees to choose from. This is what I was talking about. By others breeding goldens there is more variety in the gene pool.

BamaFan121s 09-16-2008 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2241336)
By others breeding goldens there is more variety in the gene pool.
Yeah...there may end up being more variety. The quality of that variety is what will suffer when people just go breeding willy nilly.

Breezeaway 09-16-2008 01:38 PM
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I have to post this. LOL

my2boyz 09-16-2008 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2240804)
What I was saying is that I was trying to follow the Biewer standard as far as coloration and markings with the Partis.
I found this interesting...do you know how the Beiwer standard reads? The Biewers have a written standard for color placement where the partis don't. On the Biewer the head colors are to be White/Blue/Gold and symmetrically colored...the legs, feet, tail tip and chin are to be white and the back should have a black or blue saddle or belt/bands. So...I'm not sure how you feel you are following the Biewer standard for breeding your 2 colored gold and white Yorkies or how you can even remotely compare the two. :confused: I have 4 Biewers and they are all blue/white/gold or black/white/gold.

Golden Parti 09-16-2008 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 2241435)
I found this interesting...do you know how the Beiwer standard reads? The Biewers have a written standard for color placement where the partis don't. On the Biewer the head colors are to be White/Blue/Gold and symmetrically colored...the legs, feet, tail tip and chin are to be white and the back should have a black or blue saddle or belt/bands. So...I'm not sure how you feel you are following the Biewer standard for breeding your 2 colored gold and white Yorkies or how you can even remotely compare the two. :confused: I have 4 Biewers and they are all blue/white/gold or black/white/gold.

With my Partis. Snowflake has those colors and patterns. She is Blue white and Gold. On the Gold and white dogs, only in that I am hoping to produce symetrically marked dogs eventually. Note that I say hoping. Congrats on your Biewers they are very pretty dogs.

my2boyz 09-16-2008 02:19 PM
So...the only thing your're taking from the Biewer standard is the word 'symmetrical'?

Thank you...Biewers are very unique.

Golden Parti 09-16-2008 02:20 PM
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this is Otto

On the Biewer the head colors are to be White/Blue/Gold and symmetrically colored...the legs, feet, tail tip and chin are to be white and the back should have a black or blue saddle or belt/bands.

I think he fits that description, am I missing something?

my2boyz 09-16-2008 02:23 PM
He's very cute.

Aaah...you edited to ad to your post while I was replying. Yes, you are missing something...you stated you are trying to follow the Beiwer standard with your dogs and the Biewer standard doesn't allow for 2 colored, gold and white dogs. Some partis do resemble Biewers in their coloring even though they aren't.

Golden Parti 09-16-2008 02:29 PM
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And this is snowflake

Golden Parti 09-16-2008 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 2241459)
He's very cute.

Aaah...you edited to ad to your post while I was replying. Yes, you are missing something...you stated you are trying to follow the Beiwer standard with your dogs and the Biewer standard doesn't allow for 2 colored, gold and white dogs. Some partis do resemble Biewers in their coloring even though they aren't.
Biewers have great coloring, so wanting to strive for that is a compliment to Biewer owners. If Biewers were AKC registered dogs I would probably have just got them but I wanted to stay with one registry.

Nancy1999 09-16-2008 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2241318)
Sadly, not even remotely close to the truth. Look at how many people are breeding Yorkies these days because of their popularity....you would think that there would be a GREAT gene pool to choose from, but that is far from reality. :( Ideally if all breeders were breeding to constantly improve and preserve the standard, that would be the case, but it's not. So as a result, you have a bunch of dogs that don't even remotely resemble what a Yorkie should look like and post even here from people who want to know if their Yorkie is pure or why their Yorkie ended up being 16 pounds when they are only supposed to be 7 or take your pick of a dozen genetic illnesses that people are facing with their dogs.

No, unfortunately, "the more being bred" is not neccessarily a good thing.:(

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Golden Parti 09-16-2008 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2241476)
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
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BamaFan121s 09-16-2008 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2241455)
I think he fits that description, am I missing something?
Fits the standard, or fits the standard as far as coloration only? Two different things there...

my2boyz 09-16-2008 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2241473)
Biewers have great coloring, so wanting to strive for that is a compliment to Biewer owners. If Biewers were AKC registered dogs I would probably have just got them but I wanted to stay with one registry.

That is true, Biewers do have great coloring and so do some partis so how can breeding gold/white yorkies compliment either? The gold and white you are breeding for would be considered a color fault, one that I would not breed and marketing it as rare is just for $$. So again...how can you compare what you are doing to the Biewer...other than the use of the word 'symmetrical'?

Golden Parti 09-16-2008 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2241485)
Fits the standard, or fits the standard as far as coloration only? Two different things there...
Right size, right colors, right patterns

Golden Parti 09-16-2008 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 2241487)
That is true, Biewers do have great coloring and so do some partis so how can breeding gold/white yorkies compliment either? The gold and white you are breeding for would be considered a color fault, one that I would not breed and marketing it as rare is just for $$. So again...how can you compare what you are doing to the Biewer...other than the use of the word 'symmetrical'?
in my standard colored parti dogs!!!! Although as I have said I do not know if their offspring will have similar patterns because Parti have different genetics. I have spend 30k on my dogs so how you figure I am making big dollars is beyond me. I really did not think I would offend Biewer breeders with Parti dogs.

Golden Parti 09-16-2008 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 2241487)
marketing it as rare is just for $$. ?
If Gold and white is not a rare color I would like to buy 5 more females and a Male. How soon can you get them for me?

my2boyz 09-16-2008 02:52 PM
You haven't offended me in any way...I'm just trying to understand how you can compare your gold and white dogs to a parti or a Biewer. Are partis allowed to only have 2 colors? If so then isn't every standard colored Yorkie a parti? Yes, your tri colored partis are similar to some Biewers (without a tail of course) but the gold and white ones, no matter how cute, beautiful or whatever, are a color fault that wouldn't be accepted by a Biewer breeder.

BamaFan121s I agree with your post also...too many genes in the pool just make it crowded...not better.

my2boyz 09-16-2008 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2241506)
If Gold and white is not a rare color I would like to buy 5 more females and a Male. How soon can you get them for me?
It would do you no good to request them from me...I would have them spayed or neutered and sold at a reduced rate as a pet.

Golden Parti 09-16-2008 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 2241517)
You haven't offended me in any way...I'm just trying to understand how you can compare your gold and white dogs to a parti or a Biewer. Are partis allowed to only have 2 colors? If so then isn't every standard colored Yorkie a parti? Yes, your tri colored partis are similar to some Biewers (without a tail of course) but the gold and white ones, no matter how cute, beautiful or whatever, are a color fault that wouldn't be accepted by a Biewer breeder.

BamaFan121s I agree with your post also...too many genes in the pool just make it crowded...not better.
Bama fan missed the point. it is not about having more genes in the pool. it is about having dogs that are not brother and sister. Parti do not have a standard to follow right now. Hopefully one will be established but untill then elements of the Biewer standard are the closest thing there is. I have seen Chocolate Biewers, is that a fault?

Golden Parti 09-16-2008 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 2241520)
It would do you no good to request them from me...I would have them spayed or neutered and sold at a reduced rate as a pet.
And I would do that with Biewers because they are not AKC. No not really because I like all dogs and have no prejudice against dogs that claim to be not yorkies bred from yorkies. Oh wait I would sell them for a reduced rate because I have no proof of their being pure bred and they do not even claim to be. so yes I would sell biewers very cheep if i had any.

my2boyz 09-16-2008 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2241525)
I have seen Chocolate Biewers, is that a fault?
Yes, the Biewer standard calls for an absolute black nose and dark eye rims. The chocolate Biewer has liver or reddish colored nose and eye rims and a chocolate or Biro is not blue/gold/white or black/gold/white. However, the marketing by those breeders is no different then a Yorkie breeder marketing off colored Yorkies.

BamaFan121s 09-16-2008 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2241490)
Right size, right colors, right patterns
Well, that can't entirely be determined from a picture.

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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2241525)
Bama fan missed the point.
No, I didn't miss the point at all. You were asked about selling on open registration and a desire to protect your lines and your response was the "more being bred the better, the bigger the gene pool." It's not quite as simple as that.:rolleyes:

Golden Parti 09-16-2008 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 2241539)
Yes, the Biewer standard calls for an absolute black nose and dark eye rims. The chocolate Biewer has liver or reddish colored nose and eye rims and a chocolate or Biro is not blue/gold/white or black/gold/white. However, the marketing by those breeders is no different then a Yorkie breeder marketing off colored Yorkies.
I like off colored Yorkies so I breed them.

I also like regular colored yorkies and I am very glad there are people out there that are dedicated to breeding those. It would be a very sad day if they stopped breeding standard yorkies.

cj125 09-16-2008 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2241501)
in my standard colored parti dogs!!!! Although as I have said I do not know if their offspring will have similar patterns because Parti have different genetics. I have spend 30k on my dogs so how you figure I am making big dollars is beyond me. I really did not think I would offend Biewer breeders with Parti dogs.
Wow - $30,000.00??? You paid that much for unshown - unproven pups? Wow! What lines are your dogs from?

BamaFan121s 09-16-2008 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2241530)
Oh wait I would sell them for a reduced rate because I have no proof of their being pure bred and they do not even claim to be.
According to...? That is pretty much the exact accounted history of Biewers...

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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2241525)
Parti do not have a standard to follow right now. Hopefully one will be established
So then as an active parti breeder, what role are YOU specifically taking to further these efforts?

Golden Parti 09-16-2008 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2241543)
Well, that can't entirely be determined from a picture.



No, I didn't miss the point at all. You were asked about selling on open registration and a desire to protect your lines and your response was the "more being bred the better, the bigger the gene pool." It's not quite as simple as that.:rolleyes:

Ok did you miss were I said other breeders were already breeding these. I do not have a pattent on this color. In fact I have not even produced a single one yet. I have them and I hope to make more but me blocking the registration on my dogs when somebody else is breeding them too is not going to stop them from being bred. In fact it would be flat out stupid on my part.

my2boyz 09-16-2008 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 2241530)
And I would do that with Biewers because they are not AKC. No not really because I like all dogs and have no prejudice against dogs that claim to be not yorkies bred from yorkies. Oh wait I would sell them for a reduced rate because I have no proof of their being pure bred and they do not even claim to be. so yes I would sell biewers very cheep if i had any.
I am in no rush to get the Biewer to AKC. My Biewers are registered in both Germany and the U.S. Biewers are pure breed dogs and they are registered as a breed of their own in Germany. But, please don't start picking on the Biewer because I questioned your breeding ethics or standards...let's stay focused here.


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