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| Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas
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| To me it is totally ludicrous to force anyone to spay and neuter a four month old puppy. Everyone should read about the added risks of spaying and neutering a pet before it is mature: http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf People should just learn to be responsible and not let their animals run around unsupervised. We need to think about what is best for the dogs health and well being. |
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| Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas
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| What this all boils down to is it's going to force us "reputable/responsible breeders to become non existant....because those that are reputable and responsible include spay and neuter in their contracts and it's the puppymills who produce mass puppies who make the money to be able to pay for breeders licenses and those of us that do it responsibly to go underground. It's sad to be forced to do something it's called a dictatorship in my opinion and I being responsible "REQUIRE" spay and neuter on pet quality puppies. It's not gonna stop the puppymills or byb's because it's going to be hard to enforce. There is NOT ENOUGH EDUCATION to the public when it comes to owner responsiblity! And I refuse to spay/neuter at 4 months. If it were to happen in my county I will just go to the next county over that doesn't require it and register my dogs there....always around these things....think about those people that don't vaccinate after the first round of shots....I'm not wild about over vaccinating my dogs in the first place....can't tell you when the last time some of my dogs had their rabies shot because they are not exposed to the wild animals or rabbits and rabies isn't common in my area they are kept indoors and if outside are heavily supervised....They have their first rabies shot at a year and then 3 years later and after that no more....so there are always ways around this... JMHO Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers Last edited by Wylie's Mom; 08-27-2008 at 08:27 AM. |
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| I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | Has anyone read the law, or are they getting all their information from third parties? Here's the actual law: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/...ed_sen_v90.pdf This bill was meant to target those irresponsible pet owners who allow their pets to run loose. Nearly ¼ of all the dogs that died in California last year were killed in shelters. http://www.cahealthypets.com/pdf/200...our%20Dogs.pdf AB 1634 does not apply to dogs and cats that are the subject of unwarranted complaints. It applies only to dogs and cats that are repeatedly impounded, improperly licensed or repeatedly cited. This bill will not have much of an impact on breeders, only those people who let their dogs run loose, all those oops pregnancies. They would not be able to enter your home or check the premises. The bill would increase fines from $35.00 to 50.00 for the first occurrence from $50.00 to 100.00 and microchip on the second, and on the third occurrence instead of paying $100.00 the bill would require spaying or neutering of the dog at the owners expense. What am I missing? Why are so many people against this, how many of you allow you dog's to run loose? This would have a huge impact on people who raise dogs for dog fighting. They sure don't want their dog's microchiped, and they are often found running loose because no one will claim the bloodied up animal. Here's an easy to read version: http://www.cahealthypets.com/pdf/AB1...P-overview.pdf Here's the rebuttal to AKC claims: http://www.cahealthypets.com/pdf/200...C%20claims.pdf
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| Our Blessings R Many Donating Member | I have copied and pasted the ordinance that concerns us all here in Los Angeles County, Califorina. One can read it for themselves. I have hi lighted the penalties in red at the bottom of this posting. We did try to be exempt from this law.... however, we did not meet the criteriea, according to the county. This is what we had to abide by. ID is required upon getting a dog license. Like I had to show my drivers license. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am going to have to be off line for awhile due to neck and back injuries, am to start therapy again. Please keep me in your prayers that it will help.Thank you, Patti and Jack New Ordinance Introduction Page - Department of Animal Care & Control IMPORTANT CHANGES TO THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY CODE REGARDING DOGS In an effort to improve public safety and reduce the number of stray dogs overwhelming our animal shelters, the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors has passed an ordinance that requires all residents of unincorporated areas in Los Angeles County to have their dogs spayed or neutered and have an identification microchip implanted in each dog. The measure applies to all dogs over the age of four months kept in unincorporated (non-city) areas of Los Angeles County. Contract Cities The following cities have adopted the Spay & Neuter Ordinance: Cities Spay/Neuter This ordinance was passed to promote and protect public safety from the threats presented by stray dogs, as well as to reduce the number of dogs flooding our animal shelters that are subsequently euthanized. Low cost services are available and financial assistance is available to qualified individuals. Unsterilized dogs are creating a crisis in Los Angeles County. Stray dogs are public safety hazards, and unsterilized dogs are more likely to stray. Stray dogs can bite or attack people or other animals, cause traffic accidents, spread disease, damage property and harm the quality of life for residents in a community. During the last fiscal year 23,799 stray dogs were impounded by this department. Unneutered males search for mates and are attracted in packs when female dogs come into heat. One female in heat, even if confined, can make an entire neighborhood unstable by attracting packs of male dogs intent on breeding. These situations often become dangerous. Unsterilized dogs can create unplanned litters, and there are not enough available homes to absorb this surplus. The Los Angeles County Department of Animal Care and Control is overwhelmed with dogs. In Fiscal Year 2004-2005 the department impounded 40,174 dogs, more than any other animal care and control agency in the nation. During that year 18,804 dogs were euthanized. Despite strong efforts to place dogs into new homes and reunite lost dogs with their owners, there are still not enough adoptive homes available. This department is committed to a “no-kill” philosophy. However, in order to reach that goal we must first greatly reduce the numbers of dogs flooding our shelters. This ordinance will help us reach that goal by reducing the number of dogs born or running loose in Los Angeles County. Spaying and neutering also presents many health benefits for dogs. Certain types of cancers in dogs are eliminated by spaying and neutering. Sterilized dogs are less likely to roam and therefore less likely to be lost, hit by a car, injured in a fight, or abused. By spaying or neutering your dog, you are helping solve the problem of pet overpopulation and protecting your dog from potential harm. However, since some dogs cannot be spayed or neutered for certain reasons, this ordinance has exemptions for these cases. These are: Dogs which are unable to be spayed or neutered without a high likelihood of suffering serious bodily harm or death due to age or infirmity. Written confirmation from a licensed veterinarian is required to qualify for this exception. Dogs used by law enforcement agencies for law enforcement purposes. Service or assistance dogs that assist disabled persons. Competition dogs. A Competition Dog is a dog which is used to show, to compete or to breed, which is of a breed recognized by and registered with the American Kennel Club (AKC), United Kennel Club (UKC), American Dog Breeders Association (ADBA) or other approved breed registries. The dog or owner must also meet ONE of the following requirements: The dog has competed in at least one dog show or sporting competition sanctioned by a national registry or approved by the department within the last 365 days; or The dog has earned a conformation, obedience, agility, carting, herding, protection, rally, sporting, working or other title from a purebred dog registry referenced above or other registry or dog sport association approved by the department; or The owner or custodian of the dog is a member of a department approved purebred dog breed clubs, which maintains and enforces a code of ethics for dog breeding that includes restrictions from breeding dogs with genetic defects and life threatening health problems that commonly threaten the breed. If you believe your dog meets one of these exemptions, please complete and return an Exemption Application. Microchips Under this ordinance all dogs must have an identification microchip. Microchip implantation and registration is available to all dog owners FREE of charge thanks to a generous donation from the Found Animal Foundation. You may obtain your free microchip and registration at any Los Angeles County animal shelter. Please call ahead to confirm microchip clinic hours. Microchip Schedules Positive identification that cannot be lost, falsified or altered is essential to reuniting lost pets with their families. Microchipping of animals has become a customary practice – millions of dogs and cats, horses, livestock, birds, wildlife and endangered species are chipped. Microchipping is a simple, non-surgical procedure. The microchip, which is approximately the size of a grain of rice, is injected underneath the skin with a needle. There is no anesthesia required, and even the smallest animals such as fish, puppies and kittens are safely microchipped. Each microchip has a code number embedded in it. When a special, hand-held scanner is passed over the area where the microchip has been implanted, the scanner “reads” the microchip and displays its unique code number. That number is stored in a database that contains the owner contact information. Hundreds of thousands of lost pets have been reunified with their distraught families because the pets were microchipped. While tags can become lost or damaged and tattoos can fade or be altered, microchips provide permanent identification with unique numbers that cannot be changed. Due to the presence of a microchip, this department has reunified owners with pets that had been missing for as long as five years. Low-Cost Assistance Part of this new ordinance includes a $50 voucher program for senior citizens and low-income residents who have a state-issued California Advantage Card. S/N Discount Voucher Request Our agency also has a list of veterinarians who offer low-cost spay and neuter surgeries and accept the vouchers our agency will issue as part of this program. Participating Veterinary Offices We also will conduct low-cost spay and neuter programs for dogs at many of our County shelters and we are working with a wide variety of animal welfare groups who are active in low-cost spay-and-neuter efforts. Ongoing spay/neuter opportunities will be made available, and we encourage you to check our website and with your local County shelter to find out opportunities in your area. In addition, Actors and Others for Animals currently provides FREE spay or neuter services for all Pit Bulls and Rottweilers. Call (818) 755-6045 or (818) 755-6323, or visit their website at Actors and Others for Animals : Non-Profit Corporation Dedicated to the Humane Treatment of Animals for more information. Effective Date of Enforcement This ordinance became effective on June 1, 2006. The current grace period has been extended until March 1, 2007 to allow dog owners adequate time to comply with the new requirements. However, owners of stray dogs that are impounded at a County shelter during the grace period will be required to comply immediately. After the grace period has ended, dog owners will be expected to be in compliance with this ordinance. Fines and Penalties A first violation of this ordinance is an infraction punishable by a fine not to exceed $250. If the owner fails to correct the underlying cause of the violation within 30 days after being notified of the violation, it shall be deemed a second violation. A second violation is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail for a period not to exceed six months or by a fine not to exceed $1,000, or by both such fine and imprisonment. Each subsequent violation shall be considered an additional misdemeanor. The full text of this ordinance is available on our website. |
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| YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Missouri Ozarks
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I'm not a lawyer...could it be interpreted this way? This bill would also require provide that the owner of a nonspayed or unneutered dog or cat that is the subject of a complaint to a local animal control agency, as specified, to may be cited and, if cited, shall pay a civil penalty to the local animal control agency within 30 days. It would require a local animal control agency to waive the civil penalty if, within 14 business days of the citation, the pet’s owner presents written proof from a licensed veterinarian that the dog or cat was spayed or neutered.
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| I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | Quote:
I'm confused this says that this ordinance became effective June 1, 2006, AB 1634 hasn't even passed yet. AB 1634 is an attempt to cut down on the dogs roaming the streets, you would have to have your dog picked up and taken to the pound three times before it would be required to be spayed or neutered, and even then there are exemptions. It sounds like we are talking about two different bills. Maybe because only a few cities have adopted the bill you posted, the other bill is being considered. Here are the cities that have adopted the bill you cited. http://animalcare.lacounty.gov/cms1_051320.doc. I would hate to see AB 1634 confused with this bill, it just doesn't seem to be the same at all, and only addresses irresponsible pet owners who allow their dogs to roam loose. For more information see: AB 1634 Official Site - California Healthy Pets Act
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| I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | Quote:
This has to do with excessive barking, you can be cited for it, and people who have their pets neutered could get out of the fine. It doesn't mean you would have to have your pets neutered though. I think they thought that this part would "encourage" people to get their pets neutered. Right now you can be fined for excessive barking, the only thing this would change I think is that the fine would be waived if pets are neutered. I'm not sure if neutered pets bark less than unneutered pets, however, I do think a responsible pet owner should keep their reasonably quiet.
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| Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Thanks for posting all of this, Nancy, I'm learning a lot here.
__________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann | Pfeiffer | Marcel Verdel Purcell | Wylie | Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° |
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| Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Indiana
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| On principal I disagree with the use of any legislation that includes mandatory alteration as a potential punishment. Big fines for loose dogs are ok by me, but mandatory sterlization is the first step down the slippery slope that leads to the truly horrific local legislation we see popping up all over. Here is the information about the lastest attempt (last week) to amend AB1634. Who the heck knows what other amendments will continued to be proposed?? AKC URGENT ALERT: CA AB 1634 to Change - AKC Vigorously Opposes! Print This Article [Thursday, August 21, 2008] Late yesterday we received a proposed 12th amendment to the wording of CA AB 1634 which Lloyd Levine's staff presented to our lobbyist. Also, we understand that Mr. Levine attempted to amend his bill in the Senate, in spite of the fact that he had assured the AKC through our lobbyist that the bill was in its final form. As a result of this last minute attempt, we no longer have confidence in the definition of this bill or the credibility of its author. The AKC is outraged and dismayed by Mr. Levine's last minute action to remove the incentives that were put in place to recognize responsible dog ownership. The new amendment will allow local government to avoid providing discounted licenses for owners who microchip, or owners who microchip and spay/neuter, their animals. A primary reason AKC moved to a neutral position was because it reinforced and rewarded responsible behavior. We believe the process to advance this bill is no longer being conducted in a forthright and transparent manner. Given Mr. Levine's recent tactics and the fact that we no longer feel confident that an acceptable bill will be produced, a neutral position is no longer appropriate. Therefore, AKC must vigorously oppose this legislation. Please immediately call and email your State Senator (click here to find out who represents you in the State Senate) and ask them to oppose AB 1634. For more information, contact AKC's Government Relations Department at (919) 816-3720, or e-mail doglaw@akc.org. |
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| Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Quote:
This is why I have such a hard time wading through any of this.
__________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann | Pfeiffer | Marcel Verdel Purcell | Wylie | Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° | |
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| Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Indiana
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| The AKC makes money via dog registrations, regardless of whether the dog comes from commercial breeders or a byb or a how breeder. And of course it is "propaganda" but not any more so than the information put out there by supporters of the bill who think it will somehow lower shelter #s even though pure overpopulation really is not our problem. The point is that the bill sponsor had come up with a draft that AKC could stomach (myself I still see it as step one towards the more stringent legislation the bill originally contained but AKC felt it was a decent compromise) and then decided to modify it at the last minute. This supports the fear that once this bill's foot was in the door so to speak it would be exanded later once the opposition had died down. |
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| I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | Quote:
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| Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | 3.7 Million dogs and cats being euthanized annually is not our problem?
__________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann | Pfeiffer | Marcel Verdel Purcell | Wylie | Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° |
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| Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas
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| How much do vets make from the spay and neutering? How much will the cities make in additional income from fining pet owners? Look at all the unnecessary vaccinations that the vet's are always pushing. Anyway you look at it, it is about money. I totally agree that something needs to be done to put a stop to all the stray dogs running around and their irresponsible owners but I just don't agree with mandatory spay and neutering of all dogs at a very young age. I think there should be stiff penalties for people that just let their dogs run loose. If they would just enforce that law it might solve a lot of problems. |
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