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ajdnjd 08-10-2008 10:00 AM
Unable to Tie
 
Hi all, I have been searching all over the net trying to find an answer to this problem but have not had any luck but came across this site and hope someone has heard of this.....
I'm new to breeding yorkies but have spent the last year and half reading all I could to educate myself. My baby girl comes from champion lines - her sire is a champion among others and she has been health tested. This is her second heat and she is a year and a half old and a lean girl at 5.2 lbs. She went into heat recently and on the 9th day I brought her to the studs house. He has been proven with a few litters already and is about a year and a half old also champion sired and health tested and 3.5lbs. So here's my problem. Despite multiple tries over the past few days -since Thursday, they only were able to tie one time. They both were very interested and tried and tried but never seemed able to "connect". Has anyone experienced this problem and have any idea what could be the issue? Thanks in advance for any advice. I'm stumped.:(

bjh 08-10-2008 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ajdnjd (Post 2172578)
Hi all, I have been searching all over the net trying to find an answer to this problem but have not had any luck but came across this site and hope someone has heard of this.....
I'm new to breeding yorkies but have spent the last year and half reading all I could to educate myself. My baby girl comes from champion lines - her sire is a champion among others and she has been health tested. This is her second heat and she is a year and a half old and a lean girl at 5.2 lbs. She went into heat recently and on the 9th day I brought her to the studs house. He has been proven with a few litters already and is about a year and a half old also champion sired and health tested and 3.5lbs. So here's my problem. Despite multiple tries over the past few days -since Thursday, they only were able to tie one time. They both were very interested and tried and tried but never seemed able to "connect". Has anyone experienced this problem and have any idea what could be the issue? Thanks in advance for any advice. I'm stumped.:(
I have had the same problem in the past and sometimes there is just no good explanation. Sometimes the problem is because of a size difference and they are not lining up properly and other times it is because the female is just not ready or her vulva might be too tight or too small. You are lucky you got the one tie and that is all it takes if your timing is right. I recently had a female that I was only able to get one tie with on her 11th day and she is definitely pregnant. Keep us posted on how things go. I hope your girl is pregnant. It sounds like a nice breeding.

katelin 08-10-2008 10:15 AM
Don't laugh, but sometimes you have to forget all dignity and lay on the floor beside them to see what the problem is. If he is aroused sufficiently, then it could be positional. Hence the floor-laying. Sometimes a folded towel for him to stand on helps.

I keep both the male and female in harnesses so that I have a "handle" on them and can control their position and give the boy a lift if he needs it.

Finally, I did have a breeding female who had a blockage and could not be bred.

PM me if I can help any further. Good luck.

Ladyhawk 08-10-2008 10:20 AM
I had one outside tie produce a litter of 3 once. Sometimes 1 is all you need.

C C Kent 08-10-2008 10:39 AM
If your male will tolerate your help you can hold the female facing you with one hand under her jaw and the other hand under her belly with your fore finger and middle finger on each side of her vulva. You will be able to feel the penetration and you will notice a difference in the thrusting motion of the male as he attempts to set the bulb. At this point you can hold him in from behind and assist in getting the tie. Holding her from underneath by the hips and pressing him from behind while giving him enough freedom to thrust will normally get the tie completed. This will also help protect the male from an excitable female.

Woogie Man 08-10-2008 10:50 AM
We just went through a difficult mating. The male couldn't seem to 'find the mark'. After thinking about it, we took the females hair on her haunches and banded it away from her rear. With a 'clear shot', the male was able to connect easily. There had been 3 unsuccessful tries before doing this (tying the hair back). You know, those guys don't have fingers to clear the path :D. :aimeeyork :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa :)

wildcard 08-10-2008 11:35 AM
I think it can be an issue of getting the correct angle. Regardless of the height of the bitch, one of my boys must have his 2 stacked rubber mats (they are those mats that hook together like puzzle parts for kids play areas) plus a throw rug. I also use KY jelly on the exterior only of the bitch, that way if he gets close he will slip in (sorry for the description). He recently bred two bitches that are at leat an inch different in height but he need the same mats/rug for both, I think due to the angle of the vagina. Also if you are lucky he will allow his owner to help position him while you hold her. If I did not hold my girls I'd never have puppies, they can be so flirty and wild.

ajdnjd 08-10-2008 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2172596)
I have had the same problem in the past and sometimes there is just no good explanation. Sometimes the problem is because of a size difference and they are not lining up properly and other times it is because the female is just not ready or her vulva might be too tight or too small. You are lucky you got the one tie and that is all it takes if your timing is right. I recently had a female that I was only able to get one tie with on her 11th day and she is definitely pregnant. Keep us posted on how things go. I hope your girl is pregnant. It sounds like a nice breeding.
Thank you. At least we're not alone. I was wondering if there was something else we should be doing! I hope we are at least lucky with that one tie too!

ajdnjd 08-10-2008 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by katelin (Post 2172605)
Don't laugh, but sometimes you have to forget all dignity and lay on the floor beside them to see what the problem is. If he is aroused sufficiently, then it could be positional. Hence the floor-laying. Sometimes a folded towel for him to stand on helps.

I keep both the male and female in harnesses so that I have a "handle" on them and can control their position and give the boy a lift if he needs it.

Finally, I did have a breeding female who had a blockage and could not be bred.

PM me if I can help any further. Good luck.
We tried that all! Believe me, I had no dignity left after all this. Well, at least the dogs didn't. Although they didn't seem to mind. We tried the folded towel, we tried helping, we tried not helping.... nothing seemed to work. Although, I will say, the one time they did tie, they did it on their own. :(

ajdnjd 08-10-2008 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 2172751)
I think it can be an issue of getting the correct angle. Regardless of the height of the bitch, one of my boys must have his 2 stacked rubber mats (they are those mats that hook together like puzzle parts for kids play areas) plus a throw rug. I also use KY jelly on the exterior only of the bitch, that way if he gets close he will slip in (sorry for the description). He recently bred two bitches that are at leat an inch different in height but he need the same mats/rug for both, I think due to the angle of the vagina. Also if you are lucky he will allow his owner to help position him while you hold her. If I did not hold my girls I'd never have puppies, they can be so flirty and wild.
Well, we didn't try ky jelly. Maybe that would be worth a try. I wonder if it's too late. We are on day 12 today so probably too late.....

bjh 08-10-2008 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ajdnjd (Post 2172826)
Well, we didn't try ky jelly. Maybe that would be worth a try. I wonder if it's too late. We are on day 12 today so probably too late.....
Day 12 is not too late. It is possible you started trying too early. If you start trying to early the vulva will not be soft and the male will have a harder time tying the females. My Gigi, who recently had four puppies, did not get bred until her 13th day. She had her pups on her 60th day from the first breeding so she most likely had dropped her eggs a couple of days before the tie took place. If I were you I would definitely keep trying a few more days.

katelin 08-10-2008 06:57 PM
:thumbup::thumbup:

As long as the male is aroused and the female flags for him, I'd keep trying.

ajdnjd 08-11-2008 03:46 PM
She's continuing to flag and stand for him today. Very interested - both of them are but still no luck. We tried the KY jelly, we've tried a towel underneath him at different heights. I'm just so discouraged. So many people don't even want their dogs to get be bred and they just get together by accident yet with all this planning.... but who knows. They did tie once so I guess it's still possible. Thank you to all of you for your suggestions. I think we will continue to try as long as they are both interested but any other suggestions are welcome!

Sugar's Mom 08-11-2008 05:02 PM
You have been given very good advice and I really have nothing else to offer. I have also done all these things and have even used vaseline on the bitch once but the KY Jelly works the same way. You probably will have babies even with one tie so don't give up hope.

gardenyorkies 08-11-2008 06:35 PM
Just a warning to Be very careful what kind of lubricant you use!..It has to be one that will not kill the sperm...Read the tube!


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