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PrestigeousYT · 08-11-2008, 06:51 PM

Have you had your vet to check her to make sure she doesn't have a stricture?
AI could be done. I would have her checked to make sure she doesn't have a stricture, in case she does get pregnant you want to be aware of wether she can have the pups naturally or would need a CSection due to the stricture..

Deana
Prestigeous

jennylee333 · 08-11-2008, 07:09 PM

What is a stricture

ajdnjd · 08-12-2008, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT

Have you had your vet to check her to make sure she doesn't have a stricture?
AI could be done. I would have her checked to make sure she doesn't have a stricture, in case she does get pregnant you want to be aware of wether she can have the pups naturally or would need a CSection due to the stricture..

Deana
Prestigeous

I just called my vet to ask this very question. I knew I had not specifically said please check for a stricture but I did bring her in several months ago specifically and only to have an complete exam to make sure she was physically a good prospect for breeding from a vets point of view. The vet called back and unfortunately left me a message saying that a digital exam is not possible in a yorkie and I would have to do a vaginoscopy. So know I'm worried about that as well. I will say that she does not appear to be in any pain and does not balk at all from the stud and did not appear in any pain the one time they did tie. Do you think I should still be concerned about a tie and should I go ahead and have a vaginoscopy regardless? Does everyone do this routinely? I thought I had a pretty complete list of what testing I should have had done but I guess I still have a lot to learn. (Not that I didn't know that, just didn't expect this) Thanks for any feedback!

bjh · 08-12-2008, 12:59 PM

I really think you are worrying too much. You were able to get one tie so there is a good possibility that she will be pregnant. I would just wait and see the outcome of this breeding. Like I said before, sometimes the male just has a hard time getting the job done because of several different factors. I have had the same problem on a few occasions where we were only able to get one tie after many tries or just an outside tie and in those cases the female got pregnant and had puppies with no problems. Be sure to let us if she is pregnant. Best of luck to you.

PrestigeousYT · 08-12-2008, 02:02 PM

If you did manage a TIE then you are going to be OK now wether you have a pregnant girl or not, time will tell.
I thought you are not able to get a tie, then I saw someone talking about an outside tie.
Are you going to try her again to see if you can get a tie? Some girls are actually ready later in their cycle than others.
Keep us posted

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

Laura Hollingsw · 08-13-2008, 07:20 AM

I am having this problem right now and am new to Yorkie Breeding. I used to breed boxers. What is an outside tie. I have never heard of this?

bjh · 08-13-2008, 07:45 AM

An outside tie is when then the male penetrates the female, knots up and is ejaculating but the males bulb is on the outside of the female but you are able to hold the male in place on the female so the penis does not slip out. Usually if a male knots up on the outside of the female his penis will slip out when he dismounts unless you are there to hold him in place. Females are able to get pregnant with an outside tie if you are able to hold them in place long enough. I have found that young and inexperienced males seem to do this more often than the experienced ones.

ajdnjd · 08-13-2008, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT

If you did manage a TIE then you are going to be OK now wether you have a pregnant girl or not, time will tell.
I thought you are not able to get a tie, then I saw someone talking about an outside tie.
Are you going to try her again to see if you can get a tie? Some girls are actually ready later in their cycle than others.
Keep us posted

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

Yes, we did get one tie on the 9th day. After that, nothing despite very eager attempts by both of them. As of yesterday she has strarted refusing him so I think we are done. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the timing was correct on the one tie and thanks to all of you who have given me advice! I will keep you posted!

sandybobb · 08-14-2008, 04:55 PM

Hi there. just wanted to say we had an outside tie - and the results were three beautiful little boys. So keep you fingers crossed! and good luck.

TeddyandTiffy · 08-14-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

Just a warning to Be very careful what kind of lubricant you use!..It has to be one that will not kill the sperm...Read the tube!

Jackie is KY Jelly safe to use during breeding to help them??? Will it kill the sperm? If not what is??? I've never had to use anything but you just never know...I'd like to get some ahead of time for Sage and Galahads' Planned Breeding the Spring of 2009...I have the KY but wanted to know if I should get something else??? Let me know Name Brands if we can't/shouldn't use KY. Hugs, Lee

Ladyhawk · 08-14-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy

Jackie is KY Jelly safe to use during breeding to help them??? Will it kill the sperm? If not what is??? I've never had to use anything but you just never know...I'd like to get some ahead of time for Sage and Galahads' Planned Breeding the Spring of 2009...I have the KY but wanted to know if I should get something else??? Let me know Name Brands if we can't/shouldn't use KY. Hugs, Lee

Lee, KY is fine but don't use petroleum jelly.

Laura Hollingsw · 08-15-2008, 04:14 AM

Whoo hoo we had our 1st tie. BUt it only lasted about 1min. Is that normal. Our boxer were sometimes 15-20 min?? I'm new to breeding yorkies. I thought it would have been a bit longer. They both also first timers. DOes that make a difference?
TX

I would think any kind of lube would be good. Just as long as their is no spermacide. HJust have to read the label.

YorkieRose · 08-15-2008, 04:24 AM

Try for at least 3 mins...there are three fractions to the ejaculate..but one min can be enough. Hold his rear end against the bitch to prevent him from pulling back out for a few more minutes...and hold the bitch, arm around and under her belly..doing that, no one moves.

evenstar · 08-15-2008, 05:11 PM

Day 9, for the majority of Yorkies - is too early to breed. Also with a small stud it is unadvisable to let him do this all by himself as he can be injuries. The girl should be held, with the index and middle finger of one hand on each side of her vulva and the other hand holding her front leg. This way you can tell exactly where the stud is "hitting" and how firmly and make adjustments as needed. With a maiden girl - the male must "hit" her firmly in order to both enter the vulva and to break the hymen. When entrance has been made, I grab the male under the base of his tail and pull toward me in order to push him in farther and hold him there for a moment or so until the tie is accomplished. After that I just hold the girl and talk to both of them until it is over. (Sometimes up to an hour)
It is a good idea to use a very experienced stubd with a maiden as an inexperienced one often doesn't have the aim and patience down yet.

FYI - The girl isn't ready to be bred until her discharge has turned to straw color (or in some cases has stopped) and the vulva has begun to soften. The average day for my girls is from 12 to 14 days from start of color. If you do saliva slides - the ferning should be well on its way when the time to breed is right.
Best of luck!
Charlie

bjh · 08-15-2008, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evenstar

Day 9, for the majority of Yorkies - is too early to breed. Also with a small stud it is unadvisable to let him do this all by himself as he can be injuries. The girl should be held, with the index and middle finger of one hand on each side of her vulva and the other hand holding her front leg. This way you can tell exactly where the stud is "hitting" and how firmly and make adjustments as needed. With a maiden girl - the male must "hit" her firmly in order to both enter the vulva and to break the hymen. When entrance has been made, I grab the male under the base of his tail and pull toward me in order to push him in farther and hold him there for a moment or so until the tie is accomplished. After that I just hold the girl and talk to both of them until it is over. (Sometimes up to an hour)
It is a good idea to use a very experienced stubd with a maiden as an inexperienced one often doesn't have the aim and patience down yet.

FYI - The girl isn't ready to be bred until her discharge has turned to straw color (or in some cases has stopped) and the vulva has begun to soften. The average day for my girls is from 12 to 14 days from start of color. If you do saliva slides - the ferning should be well on its way when the time to breed is right.
Best of luck!
Charlie

Excellent post. Thanks for sharing your expertise.

08-15-2008, 04:24 AM	#28
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	tie Try for at least 3 mins...there are three fractions to the ejaculate..but one min can be enough. Hold his rear end against the bitch to prevent him from pulling back out for a few more minutes...and hold the bitch, arm around and under her belly..doing that, no one moves.

08-11-2008, 06:51 PM	#16
PrestigeousYT YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere Out there............ Posts: 1,742	Have you had your vet to check her to make sure she doesn't have a stricture? AI could be done. I would have her checked to make sure she doesn't have a stricture, in case she does get pregnant you want to be aware of wether she can have the pups naturally or would need a CSection due to the stricture.. Deana Prestigeous

08-11-2008, 07:09 PM	#17
jennylee333 YT Addict Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 274	What is a stricture

08-12-2008, 12:59 PM	#19
bjh Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 7,959	I really think you are worrying too much. You were able to get one tie so there is a good possibility that she will be pregnant. I would just wait and see the outcome of this breeding. Like I said before, sometimes the male just has a hard time getting the job done because of several different factors. I have had the same problem on a few occasions where we were only able to get one tie after many tries or just an outside tie and in those cases the female got pregnant and had puppies with no problems. Be sure to let us if she is pregnant. Best of luck to you.

08-12-2008, 02:02 PM	#20
PrestigeousYT YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Somewhere Out there............ Posts: 1,742	If you did manage a TIE then you are going to be OK now wether you have a pregnant girl or not, time will tell. I thought you are not able to get a tie, then I saw someone talking about an outside tie. Are you going to try her again to see if you can get a tie? Some girls are actually ready later in their cycle than others. Keep us posted Deana Prestigeous Yorkies

08-13-2008, 07:20 AM	#21
Laura Hollingsw Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Watford,On Posts: 126	I am having this problem right now and am new to Yorkie Breeding. I used to breed boxers. What is an outside tie. I have never heard of this?

08-13-2008, 07:45 AM	#22
bjh Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 7,959	An outside tie is when then the male penetrates the female, knots up and is ejaculating but the males bulb is on the outside of the female but you are able to hold the male in place on the female so the penis does not slip out. Usually if a male knots up on the outside of the female his penis will slip out when he dismounts unless you are there to hold him in place. Females are able to get pregnant with an outside tie if you are able to hold them in place long enough. I have found that young and inexperienced males seem to do this more often than the experienced ones.

08-14-2008, 04:55 PM	#24
sandybobb Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 170	Hi there. just wanted to say we had an outside tie - and the results were three beautiful little boys. So keep you fingers crossed! and good luck.

08-15-2008, 04:14 AM	#27
Laura Hollingsw Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Watford,On Posts: 126	Whoo hoo we had our 1st tie. BUt it only lasted about 1min. Is that normal. Our boxer were sometimes 15-20 min?? I'm new to breeding yorkies. I thought it would have been a bit longer. They both also first timers. DOes that make a difference? TX I would think any kind of lube would be good. Just as long as their is no spermacide. HJust have to read the label.

08-15-2008, 05:11 PM	#29
evenstar Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lubbock Posts: 43	Day 9, for the majority of Yorkies - is too early to breed. Also with a small stud it is unadvisable to let him do this all by himself as he can be injuries. The girl should be held, with the index and middle finger of one hand on each side of her vulva and the other hand holding her front leg. This way you can tell exactly where the stud is "hitting" and how firmly and make adjustments as needed. With a maiden girl - the male must "hit" her firmly in order to both enter the vulva and to break the hymen. When entrance has been made, I grab the male under the base of his tail and pull toward me in order to push him in farther and hold him there for a moment or so until the tie is accomplished. After that I just hold the girl and talk to both of them until it is over. (Sometimes up to an hour) It is a good idea to use a very experienced stubd with a maiden as an inexperienced one often doesn't have the aim and patience down yet. FYI - The girl isn't ready to be bred until her discharge has turned to straw color (or in some cases has stopped) and the vulva has begun to soften. The average day for my girls is from 12 to 14 days from start of color. If you do saliva slides - the ferning should be well on its way when the time to breed is right. Best of luck! Charlie