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06-20-2008, 07:58 AM | #1 |
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| BAT Bile Acid Testing-Urgent Warning See the Sick and Emergency section for a posting by KYBLUE about her recent bad experience with testing puppies. The thread is called "Testing Puppies Think About It" or something like that. HORRIFYING. |
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06-20-2008, 09:15 AM | #2 |
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| I just read it and feel so sad for the loss of this pup. I have to agree with her though. Soooo many people here always say NOT to buy a puppy without it being tested for LiverShunt. It is very stressful on a puppy being so small and all. I think the best that we can do is have the parents tested .Also talk to the new owners about getting them tested at age 6 months. I can't even imagine how sick to her stomach and shock this turned out to be Genie,Cookie,Lola & Angel. |
06-20-2008, 09:30 AM | #3 |
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| I am grateful for her warning. Just makes me want to cry. That has to be one of the saddest posts I have read.
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06-20-2008, 11:53 AM | #4 |
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| I hope most of the breeders on here aren't being pressured into testing puppies due to what people on here post. There are certain situations where one "knows" there may be something wrong with a pup and testing is needed. We are all here sharing experiences, giving advice... but hopefully we are all using our own experiences/knowledge and some advice from our vets to determine what is right for our pups. Very sad story......
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06-20-2008, 01:14 PM | #5 |
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06-20-2008, 03:38 PM | #6 | |
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06-23-2008, 07:06 AM | #7 |
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| my dog showed NO signs but has it I haven't read the thread but will go and read it. I am one who encourages testing. My dog showed NO signs until he came up with bladder stones at 1 1/2 years old. Had we tested, we may have prevented the MAJOR bills we are incurring because of the surgery and problems with his bladder now that it won't fully heal. I think testing at 6 mos is a good idea and definatly test the parents and retire them if an LS (liver shunt) dog pops up. He has congenital shunts according to Cornell and my surgeon. I thought I didn't need to because he was top dog in his litter--full of spunk, vim and vigor and the breeder (Sherlyn Yorkshire Terriers) seemed on the up and up. I have since found out that anyone can get this--not just backyard breeders. I applaud you wonderful breeders who stand up and do the "right" thing when health problems pop up in your lines. Thank you for trying to do what you can to help the owners and prevent future problems. So, after going through the heartache that my dog has gone through and finding others who had NO signs but because of my story, tested and are now on the appropriate prevention diet, I still encourage testing. |
06-23-2008, 07:29 AM | #8 | |
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06-23-2008, 07:38 AM | #9 |
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| I didn't know. i thought that if you went to a reputable breeder that you didn't need to. I asked a ton of questions and spent months interviewing breeders. She told me her dogs were free from LS and other health problems but I found out differently later. I just read that thread. OMG!!!!!!! That poor woman! I feel so badly for her. I was told to do BATs at 6most or older (after the fact that we went through it)and I guess now I know why. This poor woman sounds like she was trying so hard to be a good breeder. I hate when bad things happen to good people. What is the right answer? I don't know anymore. I feel badly for the breeder who try to do the right thing and I feel badly for owners who are going through what I am and worse. It is all so sad! |
06-23-2008, 08:27 AM | #10 |
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| You should feel bad for breeders because we're the ones who end up being blamed for everything. The vets won't admit they're causing some of this liver disease with vaccinations, pills and ointments for everything under the sun. Yorkies are tiny dogs, and their livers are maybe not as big or strong as some other breeds, yet they get loaded up with these toxins then everybody looks at the breeder and says "congenital portosystemic shunt; it's all your fault; write me a big check." The last couple of years it's the dog food that's full of toxic material causing liver problems, but you take a sick Yorkie to the vet and all they want to do is say "liver shunt." They do surgery, can't find a shunt and they're still screaming CPSS. I have a house full of healthy Yorkies--no health problems whatsoever--but I do not give them all these vaccines and medicines the vet quacks are pushing. I'm careful what I feed them, keep their environment disease free and hope for the best, and so far it works great. The only liver shunt claim I ever had on a puppy came from one where they had loaded up this little 3 lb baby with vaccines for diseases we don't even get around here. I know it wasn't shunt, but some other liver damage they did themselves, but my guarantee was worded in such a way i couldn't get the puppy back to prove it... Last edited by belindaY; 06-23-2008 at 08:28 AM. |
06-23-2008, 08:38 AM | #11 |
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| I have had people ask me if I have tested 12 week old puppies. I cannot believe that they want puppies tested so small. There is no way that I would put a little pup through this. They need to have age and size on them before they are put through this test. Some small dogs should never be tested if they cannot fast for the required amount of time. |
06-23-2008, 08:42 AM | #12 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: ME
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| I feel badly for the GOOD breeders who try to do what they can but not for the ones who dont' or blame the owners. I was blamed for my dog's congenital condition and the cornell vets laughed because it is absolutely genetic. There are good and bad breeders and good and bad owners. I don't do vaccines. The only one my dog has was from the breeder. I am into the natural approach and agree with you about all these vax. I agree with what you say and my house is like that too. That is why I was so surprised when this popped up in my dog. I know that I've done the best that I can afford for my dog and that I didn't cause this. It happened and I only hope that others take precautions to protect their dogs by learning about LS, vaccine overdose, etc and knowing that dogs can show symptoms later on. I don't have the answers and can only share my story. I can only commend good breeders and hope that other breeders will follow in their example. |
06-23-2008, 08:43 AM | #13 | |
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06-23-2008, 11:15 AM | #14 | |
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ok my question would be as my pup died doing the testing if people want pup's as a breeder which way do we go test puppies and have them die or test being inconclusive or holding until 6 months and nobody want's them because they are not cute little puppies? and with the amount of puppies priced at 500 how can we compete with doing $500 or better in testing a litter on top of raising them myself as a good breeder find no answer's and just how many show kennels do you think test? i know of several that do not even test there parent's | |
06-23-2008, 04:22 PM | #15 |
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| prevention I would like to know how you prevent your dog from being exposed to something the vaccines might have prevented? Forgive me for being intrusive but, I have 2/1/2 acres,my dogs can run on freely. I can't see everything they might try to bite into or lick. I know my dogs have hunted down mice, ground squirrels, chip monks, moles, in my yard. My Angel vomited a mouse she ate last year. I was so grossed out. I took her to the vet the next day because I was so worried it might have eaten poisoning before she ate it. I have 5 parks I can take my dogs to walk in and if they eat or lick anything there. I have a puppy that got sick with in 1 week of going to a park, and getting the 2nd distemper vaccine. The vet doesn't think his recent illness was from either of the above. He has been a vet since 1976. He has been a vet for several kennels in our area. I have seen people not get there own children in our area vaccinated and wonder why they had whooping cough and a case of polio. I live within 60 miles from Chicago, South Bend, etc. My daughter works in an emergency department at a local hospital one of the local chinese restaurant owners had to bring in their son who got his fingers caught in a meat grinder and lost 4 fingers off his hand. The little boy was 3 and had no vaccinations. They go to China every year to visit family with their restaurant. I don't understand not wanting to protect your own children from what others may expose you too. Even if the chance is slim? |
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