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[KYBLUE]

i don't know

[011011]

Originally Posted by Amazing Yorkies

It is very sad, and the trouble is that the same people keep giving the same one sided advice that got this pup tested in the 1st place. Newer breeders are trying to "do" the right thing based on opinion strongly encouraged on forums. I am grateful to Rose for posting, and I'm very sorry she had to experience such a tragedy.

I agree and a few of these posting about it are not breeders and that is what really makes me mad they have no hands on with this,so IMO they should not say anything at all .

Rose I will say again I am so sorry and hope your heart is mending a little each day,
Thanks for sharing your sad story with us,so we can all learn from this!

[KYBLUE]

Originally Posted by 011011

I agree and a few of these posting about it are not breeders and that is what really makes me mad they have no hands on with this,so IMO they should not say anything at all .

Rose I will say again I am so sorry and hope your heart is mending a little each day,
Thanks for sharing your sad story with us,so we can all learn from this!

thank's i believe there is breeder to breeder respect in most cases
and non breeder's just don't understand what we go threw

[C C Kent]

Originally Posted by KYBLUE

thank's i believe there is breeder to breeder respect in most cases
and non breeder's just don't understand what we go threw

Newbie's and non-breeders can gain a lot of knowledge from reading these posts. In fact even the seasoned breeder should read and learn, nobody knows it all.

BUT...."Knowledge becomes wisdom when you add experience."

If you have been breeding any time at all you have asked yourself "What have I gotten into? This is too hard!" But after the crisis is dealt with and the emotions have healed....you have learned. It's difficult....it's humbling...but it's the process. Those who give advice from the sidelines mean well, but they haven't walked a mile in your shoes. They don't have a puppy's life hanging in the balance of their decision.

Making a decision is easy....living with that decision.....that's a little harder. JMO

[belindaY]

Originally Posted by littlelady

I would like to know how you prevent your dog from being exposed to something the vaccines might have prevented?
Forgive me for being intrusive but, I have 2/1/2 acres,my dogs can run on freely. I can't see everything they might try to bite into or lick.
I know my dogs have hunted down mice, ground squirrels, chip monks, moles, in my yard. My Angel vomited a mouse she ate last year. I was so grossed out. I took her to the vet the next day because I was so worried it might have eaten poisoning before she ate it.
I have 5 parks I can take my dogs to walk in and if they eat or lick anything there. I have a puppy that got sick with in 1 week of going to a park, and getting the 2nd distemper vaccine. The vet doesn't think his recent illness was from either of the above. He has been a vet since 1976. He has been a vet for several kennels in our ar

My dogs live inside of a very clean house and they have access only to a small area of the back garden where I can monitor what they come into contact with. If you want a dog you can take for walks in the woods or public parks, get a big one that isn't prone to these health problems. A Yorkshire Terrier is a delicate little lap dog not meant to be walking through all this dirty stuff. People have to apply some sense to the situation!

[belindaY]

Originally Posted by C C Kent

Newbie's and non-breeders can gain a lot of knowledge from reading these posts. In fact even the seasoned breeder should read and learn, nobody knows it all.

BUT...."Knowledge becomes wisdom when you add experience."

If you have been breeding any time at all you have asked yourself "What have I gotten into? This is too hard!" But after the crisis is dealt with and the emotions have healed....you have learned. It's difficult....it's humbling...but it's the process. Those who give advice from the sidelines mean well, but they haven't walked a mile in your shoes. They don't have a puppy's life hanging in the balance of their decision.

Making a decision is easy....living with that decision.....that's a little harder. JMO

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by belindaY

My dogs live inside of a very clean house and they have access only to a small area of the back garden where I can monitor what they come into contact with. If you want a dog you can take for walks in the woods or public parks, get a big one that isn't prone to these health problems. A Yorkshire Terrier is a delicate little lap dog not meant to be walking through all this dirty stuff. People have to apply some sense to the situation!

i think it is dangerous to walk your dogs.. they can pick up diseases easily from sniffing all the other dogs who were there previously.. my dogs dont run loose in the woods where they might encounter a raccoon.. but a squirrel might be carrying something... i think my dogs are at low risk for rabies.. but even going to the vets office is risky.. what if the previous dog in there had parvo? immunizations are needed.... but safe vaccines.. and not over immunizing.. boosters might not be necessary as often.. single dose vaccines are available

[KYBLUE]

Originally Posted by C C Kent

Newbie's and non-breeders can gain a lot of knowledge from reading these posts. In fact even the seasoned breeder should read and learn, nobody knows it all.

BUT...."Knowledge becomes wisdom when you add experience."

If you have been breeding any time at all you have asked yourself "What have I gotten into? This is too hard!" But after the crisis is dealt with and the emotions have healed....you have learned. It's difficult....it's humbling...but it's the process. Those who give advice from the sidelines mean well, but they haven't walked a mile in your shoes. They don't have a puppy's life hanging in the balance of their decision.

Making a decision is easy....living with that decision.....that's a little harder. JMO

[Bravo916]

Originally Posted by cesar49

i think it is dangerous to walk your dogs.. they can pick up diseases easily from sniffing all the other dogs who were there previously.. my dogs dont run loose in the woods where they might encounter a raccoon.. but a squirrel might be carrying something... i think my dogs are at low risk for rabies.. but even going to the vets office is risky.. what if the previous dog in there had parvo? immunizations are needed.... but safe vaccines.. and not over immunizing.. boosters might not be necessary as often.. single dose vaccines are available

Vaccines are crucial but there is a new movement in the dog world that is investigating the harmful effects of over immunization. For a new puppy I will always do the full booster series--after that I do a "Titer" test through my vet at 6mos old to verify that the antibodies are present and the immunity has been built. Its a blood test that measures the antibodies to different diseases instead of just annually vaccinating a dog for something he has already been vaccinated against...one the antibodies are present they do not go away. Readministering booster shots on a dog with antibodies does not make them any more immune.

My vet only recommends additional boosters for dogs that frequently travel only if the vaccines contain different strains of the virus to build immunity--apparently they vaccinate different strains of parvo/distemper based on your geographic location.

I also wanted to comment on the tone in this thread--there is so much fear. Yes, tragedies happen and I am so sorry for the loss of the puppy--it is heartbreaking.

However, it is completely unfair and unjust keep ones dogs locked inside and sheltered from the world in an effort to protect them. Unfortunately bad things happen all of the time. It is our responsibility as dog owners to do everything in our power to protect our dogs and make responsible decisions with them but not hinder their happiness and mental wellbeing in the process. I believe in fate--there is a divine plan for all of us and when it is time to go it really wont matter where you are. I will take peace in the fact that my dogs had incredible lives-they were loved, happy and lived life to the fullest. If this means I have to be extra alert on walks and be ready to scoop him up at any second then this is my commitment to him.

To me, mental health is just as important as physical health.

Being alert, responsible and using common sense are prerequisites to Yorkie ownership. JMHO

[gardenyorkies]

Very well said Kristena!

[JaLaYorkieGirl]

Originally Posted by Bravo916

Vaccines are crucial but there is a new movement in the dog world that is investigating the harmful effects of over immunization. For a new puppy I will always do the full booster series--after that I do a "Titer" test through my vet at 6mos old to verify that the antibodies are present and the immunity has been built. Its a blood test that measures the antibodies to different diseases instead of just annually vaccinating a dog for something he has already been vaccinated against...one the antibodies are present they do not go away. Readministering booster shots on a dog with antibodies does not make them any more immune.

My vet only recommends additional boosters for dogs that frequently travel only if the vaccines contain different strains of the virus to build immunity--apparently they vaccinate different strains of parvo/distemper based on your geographic location.

I also wanted to comment on the tone in this thread--there is so much fear. Yes, tragedies happen and I am so sorry for the loss of the puppy--it is heartbreaking.

However, it is completely unfair and unjust keep ones dogs locked inside and sheltered from the world in an effort to protect them. Unfortunately bad things happen all of the time. It is our responsibility as dog owners to do everything in our power to protect our dogs and make responsible decisions with them but not hinder their happiness and mental wellbeing in the process. I believe in fate--there is a divine plan for all of us and when it is time to go it really wont matter where you are. I will take peace in the fact that my dogs had incredible lives-they were loved, happy and lived life to the fullest. If this means I have to be extra alert on walks and be ready to scoop him up at any second then this is my commitment to him.

To me, mental health is just as important as physical health.

Being alert, responsible and using common sense are prerequisites to Yorkie ownership. JMHO

I completely agree...you can not forget about mental health! Our yorkies would love to go running through the woods, these guys are tougher than they look.

I am so very sorry for Rose's loss, it was tragic and very sad. We lost a puppy at 12 weeks old to anaphylactic shock following it's first vaccine (we waited because it was a smaller puppy), but we still vaccinate our puppies even if it scares us.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by JaLaYorkieGirl

I completely agree...you can not forget about mental health! Our yorkies would love to go running through the woods, these guys are tougher than they look.

I am so very sorry for Rose's loss, it was tragic and very sad. We lost a puppy at 12 weeks old to anaphylactic shock following it's first vaccine (we waited because it was a smaller puppy), but we still vaccinate our puppies even if it scares us.

I am so sorry you lost a puppy due to vaccinations. Do you mind sharing with us what vaccinations you give your pups?

[gardenyorkies]

I can answer that question for you...Our puppies are vaccinated for:

Canine Distemper-Adenovirus Type 2-Parainfluenza-Parvovirus

We did have a necropsy done on this puppy and the conclusion was a vaccine reaction and that the puppy was a healthy 12 week old puppy...Scarey huh!...

We NEVER vaccinate with any other vaccine other than Rabies and then only after they are a year old...We vaccinate at 8-10 weeks old the first time (depending on the weight of the pup) and then every 3 weeks for a total of 3 vaccines...We then booster a year after the third vaccine...

[bjh]

Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

I can answer that question for you...Our puppies are vaccinated for:

Canine Distemper-Adenovirus Type 2-Parainfluenza-Parvovirus

We did have a necropsy done on this puppy and the conclusion was a vaccine reaction and that the puppy was a healthy 12 week old puppy...Scarey huh!...

We NEVER vaccinate with any other vaccine other than Rabies and then only after they are a year old...We vaccinate at 8-10 weeks old the first time (depending on the weight of the pup) and then every 3 weeks for a total of 3 vaccines...We then booster a year after the third vaccine...

Yes, that is very scary. That is basically what I give mine. I have never had a puppy have a reaction and I pray I never do. Thank you for sharing that information.

[littlelady]

Originally Posted by belindaY

My dogs live inside of a very clean house and they have access only to a small area of the back garden where I can monitor what they come into contact with. If you want a dog you can take for walks in the woods or public parks, get a big one that isn't prone to these health problems. A Yorkshire Terrier is a delicate little lap dog not meant to be walking through all this dirty stuff. People have to apply some sense to the situation!

I thought I read in the yorkshire terrier history they were breed to hunt down mice in mine shafts. I agree they are delicate dogs, and break bones easily but it is in there heredity to be a hunter, and they will try to put a big dog in its place and try to assume authority over it if you don't rescue the yorkie from the situation.