Behaviorist tells me to neuter my boy...

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by leucothea

oh and I forgot to say that I have never played rough with them, but my fiance has and also played them one against the other....kissing one and letting the other see him gush over them. This started actually when he would get them in high gear playing rough now that I think of it. Good thing he is away for a few weeks, maybe I can turn things around. I already told him back then that it was inappropriate, but he is as stubborn as a yorkie sometimes...LOL


Actually it is not funny because I have to deal with the repurcussions

Well I did play with rough with Galahad and just thought it was so cute how he got rough back with me...Little did I know the older he got the worse it got lol. I know I can look back NOW, see all my mistake that I didn't even realize at the time was mistakes...I'm not saying don't play like fetch with him with a bone or not play with him I just wouldn't do what your Fiance is doing as far as the jealousy thing or let him get to rough with him lol this is cute but not good at the same time. Well men I know is and can be as stubborn as Yorkies lol.

My Galahad still loves to play fetch with his bone and he will slide across the floors to be the 1st to get the bone it is cute.

Today I was on the phone with my oldest daughter and I was cleaning their play pen out and I just got their 2 puppy pads put the way I wanted them under the playpen at the end of it and here as soon as I stood up Galahad came flying from the other end of the playpen and scooted right into the puppy pads doing his little "Burn Outs" as I call them (He does the little "Spin Outs" that boys do after marking lol) of course folding them all up and taking them out from under the playpen.

I hollered at him and said Galahad if you don't stop doing your burn outs I'm gonna get your butt, well by that time he was already down at the other end of the playpen barking at me lol. My oldest daughter was like what in the world are you talking about so I explained it to her like I just did lol she said Mom your nuts the way to talk to those dogs.

But the way he moves you should see him "STRUT" the way he walks he naturally prances like his is in a show ring...He tickles me to death then I fall in love with him all over again, I can't help it he has his little things like this he does that melts my heart. I hope some of this will help you. Lee

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by leucothea

Cleo is 5 months and I am planning to get her fixed sooner rather than later. I wasn't planning on getting another male initially unless Ceasar is determined to be unsuitable for breeding. I was planning to put Princess and he together, but I want to make sure he doesn't have a screw loose or I will have to find a suitable stud for Princess before fall. Princess has champions in her first three generations.

I will answer you back after while...We're getting ready to get hammered with a Really bad storm so I'm getting off the computer and getting ready for it incase we have a Tornado...It's been bad weather here since yesterday. Got to run. Lee

[leucothea]

Everything went well last night til bedtime..Ceasar was the only one on the bed and Princess and Cleo were playing. I thought I would know when Cleo came up on the bed and could grab Ceasar before he lunged at her, but no luck. I grabbed him up off of her and put him in the crate on the floor next to my bed. Cleo ran off crying and Princess followed. I spent the night alone in the bed. Cleo would not come back, so she and Princess (little mother that Princess is she stayed with her) slept in their doggie bed under the kitchen table. I am afraid the girls are losing faith with me because he keeps terrorizing Cleo.

I guess he is going to have to sleep in the crate from now on. I think I am going to get him neutered....this is just too much for me. I hate to admit defeat, but I don't know what else to do. He is such a pretty boy too.

I am so disheartened. I am a good Mommy, but I just can't get a handle on this one.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by leucothea

Everything went well last night til bedtime..Ceasar was the only one on the bed and Princess and Cleo were playing. I thought I would know when Cleo came up on the bed and could grab Ceasar before he lunged at her, but no luck. I grabbed him up off of her and put him in the crate on the floor next to my bed. Cleo ran off crying and Princess followed. I spent the night alone in the bed. Cleo would not come back, so she and Princess (little mother that Princess is she stayed with her) slept in their doggie bed under the kitchen table. I am afraid the girls are losing faith with me because he keeps terrorizing Cleo.

I guess he is going to have to sleep in the crate from now on. I think I am going to get him neutered....this is just too much for me. I hate to admit defeat, but I don't know what else to do. He is such a pretty boy too.

I am so disheartened. I am a good Mommy, but I just can't get a handle on this one.

I am so sorry your boy is being so bad. I think you would be doing right in getting him neutered. I am not sure that will correct his bad behavior though. Do you have any place in the house you can setup a big exercise pen for him? You could take turns between the male and the female puppy, putting them in the x-pen at different times. That way he would not be as confined and when you do let him out the puppy could then go in the x-pen where she would be safe.

[leucothea]

They did pretty good most of the evening until bedtime. I wish I didn't have to neuter him as he was going to go into the ring in the fall. I emailed my mentor to see what to do about this. I also emailed another behaviorist who works with police dogs and aggression. I want to make an educated decision, darn it!

[leucothea]

I let him out of the bathroom at lunch time and was sitting in my usual spot when Cleo got around him. He attempted to pin her, but I was right there and picked him up. She, of course went out the doggie door to get away from him again.

He also chewed the cabinet in the bathroom so I brought the crate out of the bedroom and put it within the circle where I put the two girls and shut him in it when I went back to work. Maybe he needs to be near them, but not able to bite if he had the inclination. I am trying it all. Haven't heard from the other behaviorist yet, but I will call him tonight.

My boyfriend called me from where he is and said don't do anything until I get back. Do anything! I can't even bear the thought that I might have to give him up to another home!

[leucothea]

Thank goodness I talked to my mentor. I am not going to give up on him. He's just a frustrated little boy.

I am, however going to crate him by my bed at night and keep him crated when I have to be out of the house and keep taking him for walks with the girls.

Thanks for all the input. I hate being new at all this stuff. It takes help from all of you who have gone through it before. Sometimes I can read something in a book and not "get it" until I deal with the experience.

[Susan123]

Good luck with him. I really hope he works through it. I have rehomed girls that were too aggressive. I realize that they're establishing pack order, yada yada yada...And alpha female stuff. But when it comes to one tormenting another constantly, that doesn't go over here. I had a girl that would bow down everytime the aggressive girl walk near (irks me because the girl was losing confidence, couldn't be herself and that was plain mean lol). I know that's why breeders have runs, but I don't have that yet. Anyways, best of luck with your girl.

[lreed]

It sounds like you have the situation under control while you are away from home by separating him from the females. He might mellow as she becomes older and is able to stand her ground....then he might back down as it would be a non-issue. You can't show your male unless he's intact can you? If so, I'd definitely try to keep them separate until your female gets another six or so months older and see what happens.

[leucothea]

Thanks for all your good thoughts and suggestions. He spent the night on the bed last night and the girls stayed in their bed in the kitchen. Princess tried to get on the bed this morning and he started on her. I filled a soda can with coins and shook it every time he even postured last night and this morning and it worked. I even slept with it....LOL

I took them on a long walk by the ocean last night and they were good. On the way back he was nipping at the girls happily and I used my shhhht sound and he stopped. Of course he started right up again, but all in all it was a good night.

Not giving up on the little varmint....

No you can't show them unless they are intact, which is why the behaviorist comment to neuter him p***** me off so much. He didn't even see Ceasar face to face or do an evaluation. $125 is alot to pay, but I was willing to pay it. What a jerk.

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by leucothea

Thanks for all your good thoughts and suggestions. He spent the night on the bed last night and the girls stayed in their bed in the kitchen. Princess tried to get on the bed this morning and he started on her. I filled a soda can with coins and shook it every time he even postured last night and this morning and it worked. I even slept with it....LOL

I took them on a long walk by the ocean last night and they were good. On the way back he was nipping at the girls happily and I used my shhhht sound and he stopped. Of course he started right up again, but all in all it was a good night.

Not giving up on the little varmint....

No you can't show them unless they are intact, which is why the behaviorist comment to neuter him p***** me off so much. He didn't even see Ceasar face to face or do an evaluation. $125 is alot to pay, but I was willing to pay it. What a jerk.

I'm glad to see your working with him...This is a MUST...One thing to remember is now that you've STARTED this (Shaking the can, or Shhht sound) it MUST be done as soon as he starts (That is if you can catch it) the UNWANTED behavior...U can NOT miss 1 time if at all possible...And I realize this is easier SAID then DONE. lol.

With this being said, you must be able to pick the good playing from the bad playing...Such as you stated: "On the way back he was nipping at the girls happily and I used my shhhht sound and he stopped. Of course he started right up again" (To me & this is my OPO cause I wasn't there with you...This may of been good playing for my girls will nip at each other say if one has a bone and the other one is wanting or even running through their room together...But to me this is playing and having fun and this is good until someone YELPs then I say: Hey cool it or girls that's enough and they break it up...Sometimes I have to say it twice but I DON'T have to get up and get between them & sometimes they are very LOUD in playing and that is the ONLY time I raise my voice is to get louder then them so they can hear me) 2 of my girls will be one this month and 1 is almost 14 months old so I have 3 gals almost the same age.

Also PLEASE remember he is JUST a PUPPY not a adult...There for he will make mistakes and he still needs to be a Puppy just not as dominant or mean.

Puppies will chase each other, growl, show teeth, stand on back legs with front paws on each others shoulders and be really rough & tough sometimes, you should see my girls, they go at it...Not mean or killing each other altho someone who wasn't use to them would think they was...

Sage our almost 14 month old is a loud yapper/barker, always has been so when Weezie has a toy she wants she will roll over in the floor in front of their bed and yap and bark and go on LOUD but it's playing and at the same time Weezie is growling to say hey your not getting this toy I'm playing with it lol.

I don't interfere until there is a pain YELP from one of them then I say what I said above...Sofie was a bystander but now she is joining in so they all 3 go at it...It can get very loud here but I don't mind them rolling, tumbling, fussing and playing as long as they are not getting hurt.

Did all of your 3 yorkies ever sleep together with you in the bed? And then he started being hateful to the girls over the bed? (Have I got that right?)

If so to me he is being dominate over your bed with your girls (Correct me if I'm wrong on that) if he is and your girls slept in the kitchen and him on your bed then you are giving into his behavior and he is getting JUST what HE WANTS...The girls away from YOU and the BED...I would NOT allow this at all...

With that being said do you go into your bedroom at night to lay down and watch TV or do you just go in to go straight to bed? The reason I'm asking is cause I wonder if you keeping all 3 off your bed all the time for a few weeks might help in the behavior??? Maybe this would allow them all a break from it and not fight over the bed or you and you could put a bed at the bottom of your bed for all puppies to share to lay in together (If they would that is.) Wonder if this would help any...Teaching them all 3 to SHARE.

I hope some of this will help you, the main thing is NOT to give up on him and keep working with him and your girls.

I'm just letting you know I know how it is when you have more then 1 Yorkie in the house, I've had 10 all together at one time in my house, 6 puppies all the same age from our own whelping, 2- 3 year olds (Mom and Dad) 1-14/15 Month old and 1-4/5 month old...All together living in the same house at the same time for 3 or so months. So I know how hard it can be to control them all lol. Lee

[leucothea]

Really good advice!

They will all be in crates tonight. Starting back at the beginning. Daddy allowed Ceasar on the bed when he got home and started all this over again. He is one confused little boy. He wants to be the boss and he can't be.

Once they progress, I may allow them a bed on the floor. They do sleep in the doggie bed together when we are all in the kitchen.

Put the doggie stairs right in the basement.

They used to all do so good on the bed. I am going to miss my little furballs at night out: This is going to be so hard. I hope it's not forever.

They slept on the bed Friday night as they had their shots and two out of the three were really affected, Ceasar was one of them. Poor little thing, he got so stiff and everytime I touched him he yelped.

[leucothea]

All of the dogs have been banned from the bedroom...boohoo, but they all sleep on a doggie bed in the kitchen. Just the fact that Mr. attitude is not allowed on the bed has changed him dramatically. He is back to his old self. He still tries to boss the girls around, but we can deal with that.

So, see I was ready to throw in the towel and all the support I received here on YT has helped me through a difficult moment.

Thanks you all!

[bjh]

I am so glad to hear things are going better. I think as the puppy gets older things will get even better. Keep up the good work!

[leucothea]

Ceasar has done an about face and has calmed down alot. On the other hand, Princess has started arguing with Cleo. Cleo is now spayed. When they get locked in a fight, they are totally serious. Now I am keeping the two girls separate. I have learned alot from reading all of the posts on here and am very happy to have so much good input.

I thought I would give an update so everyone doesn't think I disappeared off the face of the earth!