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LoveMyJake · 05-25-2008, 08:41 PM

I am so sorry for the loss of your baby boy, and I will be praying for your baby girl!

Susan123 · 05-26-2008, 04:18 AM

So sorry about your loss. If he weighs 4 ounces, I would probably give 2 cc'c as opposed to the 4 cc's reccomended (the formula of 1 cc per ounce of weight). And increase from there. I would have him nurse first, while he's hungry then tube feed to fill the tummy. Likely he'll tire from nursing if he's weak. If he's too weak I'd let him save his energy, and only tube feed. Sometimes it only takes 2 days of tubing for them to get a good amount of strength to resume nursing.

You're doing great, praying this one gathers his strength and thrives.

~Susan

mypreciouspups · 05-26-2008, 04:41 AM

I know many are not not online.. but I was with baby all night last night.. would not suckle on his own at all.. so I tubed him.. now he has that death cry.. so what I am doing is not helping him one bit...
I am devestated right now.. never lost like this before.. and there has to be an underlying problem with both to be like this.. I am so devestated that our efforts are not working and that cry is there.. am I prolonging something that cannot be..or is not meant to be.. I do not give up that easy.. but the cry enough tho we have worked with him.. and the last feed his tummy did not just get bigger.. it got harder.. anne

Sugar's Mom · 05-26-2008, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

I know many are not not online.. but I was with baby all night last night.. would not suckle on his own at all.. so I tubed him.. now he has that death cry.. so what I am doing is not helping him one bit...
I am devestated right now.. never lost like this before.. and there has to be an underlying problem with both to be like this.. I am so devestated that our efforts are not working and that cry is there.. am I prolonging something that cannot be..or is not meant to be.. I do not give up that easy.. but the cry enough tho we have worked with him.. and the last feed his tummy did not just get bigger.. it got harder.. anne

Anne, if his belly is hard, maybe she is not pottying him. Do not give up on him until the breath is gone. Rose's boy cried like that too and he eventually came out of it. BTW, I pm'd you.

NanaDtreasures · 05-26-2008, 04:55 AM

Anne..When I read his tummy is hard..and he's crying.
It sounds like pain to me. Is he going potty?
Oh this makes me so sad.
I was hoping for good news on this baby this morning
((((Anne)))))

TeddyandTiffy · 05-26-2008, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

I know many are not not online.. but I was with baby all night last night.. would not suckle on his own at all.. so I tubed him.. now he has that death cry.. so what I am doing is not helping him one bit...
I am devestated right now.. never lost like this before.. and there has to be an underlying problem with both to be like this.. I am so devestated that our efforts are not working and that cry is there.. am I prolonging something that cannot be..or is not meant to be.. I do not give up that easy.. but the cry enough tho we have worked with him.. and the last feed his tummy did not just get bigger.. it got harder.. anne

Anne, OMG I feel for you, I don't know maybe he isn't potting like Sugars mom says try the cotton balls and see if he will go, you know how we get when we can't poo....I'll keep you in my prayers, don't give up yet who knows maybe he will pull through. I know it must be hard on you...I'm here for you if you need me. Hugs Lee

majic50 · 05-26-2008, 05:15 AM

I am sorry. I had hoped to read that he is better. I would try do as other posters say and try the cotton balls to make him potty. I will pray that he changes for the better.
Janice

Little Bit · 05-26-2008, 05:19 AM

Just checking in. I was sure hoping for better news. I hope pottying will work. I will certainly keep praying for your little one and for you. You must be exhausted.

Sunnie · 05-26-2008, 05:23 AM

Anne, I am so sorry that you lost your little boy. I am praying really hard for this little girl. You poor thing. I know this is hard for you..
Sonya

mypreciouspups · 05-26-2008, 05:31 AM

thanks all.. Kandie has been cleaning him up all night.. she is with him now and he is wet from her working with him.. she was so distraught when I took the other one to the vet and did not come back with baby.. that after talking to a breeder on the phone last night.. she said that was the cry when the body was shutting down.. she knew exactly what I was talking about.. said I should have maybe let him go with her so she would no.. so now she is with him.. he is hardly moving.. going fast like the other baby.. but with this one I did everything I could.. and at that weight baby should have been able to suckle on his own..
I am so upset.. beyond words.. this sure has brought me some great people I must say.. you all have helped me so much.. right now I am too upset to even think straight..
I feel I let them down somehow.. yet I have never left the house since they were born.. ran to the store once for a few minutes.. the rest of the time I have sent hubby.. He was up all night with me and has just gone to bed.. he is so tired out.. he so tried with great patience all night to get baby to suckle on his own...
I kept gracie alive tubing two years ago.. we fed her night and day every two hours.. for two weeks before she was strong enough to suckle. but she has this will from the start..
These boys have shocked me beyond belief...kandie always threw two.. it was going to be such fun having 4 babies around for a few months..
I will have one girl and one boy left..there weight is 9.5 and 8.5 oz as of last night..
Ok I am so tired now I am not sure what I am saying... again thanks so much to all of you for such great support, care and love for my babies... anne

NanaDtreasures · 05-26-2008, 05:37 AM

Awwwwwwwwww Anne...I am so sad for you
BIG BIG hugs sweetie..You did all you could.
You must be exhausted...I hope you get some rest soon hun
Prayers for you...

mypreciouspups · 05-26-2008, 05:41 AM

I have never had this happen before.. does anyone know how I can settle kandie down.. I did not take baby out yet.. he is going like the other one did exactly.. I am so shocked at this weight and to lose two.. I am so sick in my stomach right now...
I will wait to see if anyone can suggest to me.. how and when do I take the baby way.. he is barely alive and she is so upset.. what do I do.. anne

Sunnie · 05-26-2008, 05:55 AM

aww Anne, I don't know what to tell you in this circumstance, but I am praying for you and Kandie. I know it is hard on both of you.

NanaDtreasures · 05-26-2008, 06:07 AM

Anne when Dasiys little boy did this the last litter.
I took him out and put him in the kitchen in a basket with heating pad until he passed.
Its so hard hun..I know...I dont know what to say
I Pm'd you back Anne

littlelady · 05-26-2008, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mypreciouspups

I have never had this happen before.. does anyone know how I can settle kandie down.. I did not take baby out yet.. he is going like the other one did exactly.. I am so shocked at this weight and to lose two.. I am so sick in my stomach right now...
I will wait to see if anyone can suggest to me.. how and when do I take the baby way.. he is barely alive and she is so upset.. what do I do.. anne

I don't know what to say but maybe the two puppies have some kind of congenital problem that aren't evident. It is so sad though. Because they only have us to help them and when we can't do anything,it is very hard to take . It's like watching our children struggle with lifes issues and we can't fix or solve them . I agree with you their are some really great people here that have given great advice and their kind words help tremendously. I just keep rubbing my little one and stroking her sides with my finger. Trying to emulate Angel licking her and nudging her, I was hoping these kinds of interventions would help stimulate normal body functions to kick in and do what they are supposed to do. For instance Day one after whelping I saw a couple of the pups defecate. I have not seen one after that. Angel when she licks them eats it, I was scared about over feeding them even when I saw their tummies get big, because I haven't seen any more . I haven't seen her always licking them. I am new to how soon they should relieve themselves after eating. I know formula with human babies is constipating. Would the same be true with supplemental formula for the pups? Forgive me some of this is truly elementary but some times we over look the obvious or mundane for some more ominous reasoning for whats going on. I am not suggesting anything by saying this for what you are going through. I am just reflecting on my own past experiences. I try to use every experience as a chance to teach my own children lifes lessons, so we try not to take anything for granted.

Anyway I am truly with you for what you are going through. With the loss of Buddy the sire of Angels pups being killed on May 5th . I was so depressed and felt helpless. The care that hit him didn't even stop. These puppies mean the world to me and my daughter, keeping them healthy is top priority here. WE even took shifts going to church.

05-25-2008, 08:41 PM	#31
LoveMyJake I love Jackson too! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,905	I am so sorry for the loss of your baby boy, and I will be praying for your baby girl! __________________ Selina, mommy to Jake and Jackson. RIP baby Lily Coming soon: Gracie

05-26-2008, 04:55 AM	#35
NanaDtreasures YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: usa Posts: 1,321	Anne..When I read his tummy is hard..and he's crying. It sounds like pain to me. Is he going potty? Oh this makes me so sad. I was hoping for good news on this baby this morning ((((Anne))))) __________________ Debbi ~Follow the 3 R's~~~ Respect for self...Respect for others ...Responsibility for all your actions

05-26-2008, 05:19 AM	#38
Little Bit Tiny Dog Big Heart Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 6,205	Just checking in. I was sure hoping for better news. I hope pottying will work. I will certainly keep praying for your little one and for you. You must be exhausted. __________________ Little Bit

05-26-2008, 05:23 AM	#39
Sunnie Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: So. California Posts: 4,057	Anne, I am so sorry that you lost your little boy. I am praying really hard for this little girl. You poor thing. I know this is hard for you.. Sonya __________________ Sonya, Owned by Ladybug, Tilly, Sunshine, Beamer, Rainbow, Sonny and Righteous RIP Sunnie (11/12/2003-7/31/2009)

05-26-2008, 05:37 AM	#41
NanaDtreasures YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: usa Posts: 1,321	So sad with you Anne Awwwwwwwwww Anne...I am so sad for you BIG BIG hugs sweetie..You did all you could. You must be exhausted...I hope you get some rest soon hun Prayers for you... __________________ Debbi ~Follow the 3 R's~~~ Respect for self...Respect for others ...Responsibility for all your actions

05-26-2008, 04:18 AM	#32
Susan123 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,455	So sorry about your loss. If he weighs 4 ounces, I would probably give 2 cc'c as opposed to the 4 cc's reccomended (the formula of 1 cc per ounce of weight). And increase from there. I would have him nurse first, while he's hungry then tube feed to fill the tummy. Likely he'll tire from nursing if he's weak. If he's too weak I'd let him save his energy, and only tube feed. Sometimes it only takes 2 days of tubing for them to get a good amount of strength to resume nursing. You're doing great, praying this one gathers his strength and thrives. ~Susan

05-26-2008, 04:41 AM	#33
mypreciouspups Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Florida/Canada Posts: 5,514	I know many are not not online.. but I was with baby all night last night.. would not suckle on his own at all.. so I tubed him.. now he has that death cry.. so what I am doing is not helping him one bit... I am devestated right now.. never lost like this before.. and there has to be an underlying problem with both to be like this.. I am so devestated that our efforts are not working and that cry is there.. am I prolonging something that cannot be..or is not meant to be.. I do not give up that easy.. but the cry enough tho we have worked with him.. and the last feed his tummy did not just get bigger.. it got harder.. anne

05-26-2008, 05:15 AM	#37
majic50 YT Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 299	I am sorry. I had hoped to read that he is better. I would try do as other posters say and try the cotton balls to make him potty. I will pray that he changes for the better. Janice

05-26-2008, 05:31 AM	#40
mypreciouspups Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Florida/Canada Posts: 5,514	thanks all.. Kandie has been cleaning him up all night.. she is with him now and he is wet from her working with him.. she was so distraught when I took the other one to the vet and did not come back with baby.. that after talking to a breeder on the phone last night.. she said that was the cry when the body was shutting down.. she knew exactly what I was talking about.. said I should have maybe let him go with her so she would no.. so now she is with him.. he is hardly moving.. going fast like the other baby.. but with this one I did everything I could.. and at that weight baby should have been able to suckle on his own.. I am so upset.. beyond words.. this sure has brought me some great people I must say.. you all have helped me so much.. right now I am too upset to even think straight.. I feel I let them down somehow.. yet I have never left the house since they were born.. ran to the store once for a few minutes.. the rest of the time I have sent hubby.. He was up all night with me and has just gone to bed.. he is so tired out.. he so tried with great patience all night to get baby to suckle on his own... I kept gracie alive tubing two years ago.. we fed her night and day every two hours.. for two weeks before she was strong enough to suckle. but she has this will from the start.. These boys have shocked me beyond belief...kandie always threw two.. it was going to be such fun having 4 babies around for a few months.. I will have one girl and one boy left..there weight is 9.5 and 8.5 oz as of last night.. Ok I am so tired now I am not sure what I am saying... again thanks so much to all of you for such great support, care and love for my babies... anne

05-26-2008, 05:41 AM	#42
mypreciouspups Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Florida/Canada Posts: 5,514	kandie is so upset again today I have never had this happen before.. does anyone know how I can settle kandie down.. I did not take baby out yet.. he is going like the other one did exactly.. I am so shocked at this weight and to lose two.. I am so sick in my stomach right now... I will wait to see if anyone can suggest to me.. how and when do I take the baby way.. he is barely alive and she is so upset.. what do I do.. anne

05-26-2008, 05:55 AM	#43
Sunnie Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: So. California Posts: 4,057	aww Anne, I don't know what to tell you in this circumstance, but I am praying for you and Kandie. I know it is hard on both of you. __________________ Sonya, Owned by Ladybug, Tilly, Sunshine, Beamer, Rainbow, Sonny and Righteous RIP Sunnie (11/12/2003-7/31/2009)

05-26-2008, 06:07 AM	#44
NanaDtreasures YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: usa Posts: 1,321	Anne when Dasiys little boy did this the last litter. I took him out and put him in the kitchen in a basket with heating pad until he passed. Its so hard hun..I know...I dont know what to say I Pm'd you back Anne __________________ Debbi ~Follow the 3 R's~~~ Respect for self...Respect for others ...Responsibility for all your actions