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Sassysmama 04-30-2008 10:56 AM
Tail Docking
 
Sassy had a singleton. She is 5 oz. Do you think I should still wait til she is 10 days old to get her tail docked? She is 2.1 oz bigger than Sassy's last litter was. Thanks!

bjh 04-30-2008 11:06 AM
You would never wait that long to get the tails docked. I do mine at 4 days, sometimes 5 days if the puppy is very small. As long as the puppy is nursing well and not a weak puppy then it would be safe to get her tail docked at 5 days, JMO.

neersyorkies 04-30-2008 11:07 AM
My Vet. likes to do there tails when the puppies are 4-5 day's old , and not to much older he said they have less pain and dont feel it as much.

Sassysmama 04-30-2008 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1955141)
You would never wait that long to get the tails docked. I do mine at 4 days, sometimes 5 days if the puppy is very small. As long as the puppy is nursing well and not a weak puppy then it would be safe to get her tail docked at 5 days, JMO.
The two breeders I know out her in California do them at 10 days old. The last pup I had done, came back shaking and it scared the hell out of me. When I used to breed labs, I had them done before they were 5 days old. But these breeders seem to think the pup would bleed to death (haven't talked to them about this 5 oz pup yet though). Am I better off letting the experienced breeder dock the tail or the vet? My breeder lives 1 1/2 hrs away from me.

Sassysmama 04-30-2008 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by neersyorkies (Post 1955146)
My Vet. likes to do there tails when the puppies are 4-5 day's old , and not to much older he said they have less pain and dont feel it as much.
How big are your pups when they're born? I would much rather have them done sooner than later because I don't want to put the pup through any pain. Thanks!!

fannie 04-30-2008 11:25 AM
My rule of thumb is 4 days. I would never wait for 10 days... that doesn't make sense to me. The bigger they get, they bigger everything gets and there is more blood. I do the clamp and twist method and have never had one bleed.

It sounds to me that you are inexperienced at docking a tail yourself so I would definitely take the puppy to the vet and have them do it. Have them walk you through it if you plan to do this for yourself in the future.

Also, I did tails and dewclaws on 2 puppies yesterday. One weighed 4oz. at birth and the other was 5oz. at birth.

linda44 04-30-2008 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1955141)
You would never wait that long to get the tails docked. I do mine at 4 days, sometimes 5 days if the puppy is very small. As long as the puppy is nursing well and not a weak puppy then it would be safe to get her tail docked at 5 days, JMO.
ditto.....:thumbup:

neersyorkies 04-30-2008 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Sassysmama (Post 1955151)
How big are your pups when they're born? I would much rather have them done sooner than later because I don't want to put the pup through any pain. Thanks!!
They where 4 to 5 oz. at birth . The Babys where born on Thursday at 5 am and we where on Monday morning at the Vet. and they had a check up and the tails done .:)

bjh 04-30-2008 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Sassysmama (Post 1955148)
The two breeders I know out her in California do them at 10 days old. The last pup I had done, came back shaking and it scared the hell out of me. When I used to breed labs, I had them done before they were 5 days old. But these breeders seem to think the pup would bleed to death (haven't talked to them about this 5 oz pup yet though). Am I better off letting the experienced breeder dock the tail or the vet? My breeder lives 1 1/2 hrs away from me.
I have never heard of any breeder waiting that long. It would be very bloody and painful in my opinion. The length you dock the tail also makes a difference on how much they bleed and how painful it is. Many vets (and some breeders) cut the tails way to short. I like to dock mine just past where the black meets the brown on the underside of the tail. I used to dock mine right on the line where the black meets the brown but for show that is just a little bit too short. Many puppy buyers are uneducated about what the proper length is and some think there should be practically no tail at all because that is what they have seen. If you take her to a vet then you tell him what length you want the tail or he might take off too much. Remember the AKC standard says they should be docked a medium length. Be sure to get the dewclaws too.

neersyorkies 04-30-2008 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1955261)
I have never heard of any breeder waiting that long. It would be very bloody and painful in my opinion. The length you dock the tail also makes a difference on how much they bleed and how painful it is. Many vets (and some breeders) cut the tails way to short. I like to dock mine just past where the black meets the brown on the underside of the tail. I used to dock mine right on the line where the black meets the brown but for show that is just a little bit too short. Many puppy buyers are uneducated about what the proper length is and some think there should be practically no tail at all because that is what they have seen. If you take her to a vet then you tell him what length you want the tail or he might take off too much. Remember the AKC standard says they should be docked a medium length. Be sure to get the dewclaws too.
Good Post :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

NanaDtreasures 04-30-2008 12:18 PM
I've never heard of 10 days.
I waited till mine were 4 days old this time with Nala
Because they were so tiny. Several under 3 oz.
Even with that extra day those poor puppies cried a lot more then normal.
My old vet would not do them after 3 days.
And I mean down to the hour.
He said it hurts them too much otherwise.

feminvstr 04-30-2008 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Sassysmama (Post 1955117)
Sassy had a singleton. She is 5 oz. Do you think I should still wait til she is 10 days old to get her tail docked? She is 2.1 oz bigger than Sassy's last litter was. Thanks!
She should be docked at 3-5 days depending on weight and health, if she is not thriving, wait till you get a consistant weight gain. An exception would be, you don't want to stress a weak puppy, always better to delay.

Sassysmama 04-30-2008 01:34 PM
Wow! I am sooo glad I asked. I've had two California breeders tell me to do it at 10 days. I will never again let the breeder dock them at 10 days. No way! The last pup came back to me shaking and I was horrified. I ended up keeping her and she doesn't have a psychological issues thank god!
:-)

I couldn't see myself doing the tails/dewclaws myself either. Now I need to find a vet/experienced person in Southern California to do this for me asap. She is now 2 days old, so we're getting down to the wire here. Anyone know of any good breeders/vets in Socal? Thanks again for the help!!!

lilstar63100 04-30-2008 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1955261)
I have never heard of any breeder waiting that long. It would be very bloody and painful in my opinion. The length you dock the tail also makes a difference on how much they bleed and how painful it is. Many vets (and some breeders) cut the tails way to short. I like to dock mine just past where the black meets the brown on the underside of the tail. I used to dock mine right on the line where the black meets the brown but for show that is just a little bit too short. Many puppy buyers are uneducated about what the proper length is and some think there should be practically no tail at all because that is what they have seen. If you take her to a vet then you tell him what length you want the tail or he might take off too much. Remember the AKC standard says they should be docked a medium length. Be sure to get the dewclaws too.

:thumbup::thumbup:
i took pebbles pups at 5 days old. the vet brought out a standard book and showed me what the standard for yorkies tails were and then showed me exactly where she would cut before she did it! i think they turned out great!

Saleswman 04-30-2008 01:49 PM
I thought this was a little odd...but, hey
 
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Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1955460)
She should be docked at 3-5 days depending on weight and health, if she is not thriving, wait till you get a consistant weight gain. An exception would be, you don't want to stress a weak puppy, always better to delay.
who am I to say......but, I DID READ the same thing....3-5 days....

Sugar's Mom 04-30-2008 02:34 PM
i always do between 3-5 days. If I have a tiny one three or so oz. I wait until the 4th day or even the fifth. Wow!!!!!!!!! ten days has to be painful for the puppy.

chattiesmom 04-30-2008 03:21 PM
Chizzie's Chat Six Pack had their tails docked and dew claws removed today at 5 days. I prefer to have them done on day 4, but my favorite vet was on vacation and I felt it worth while to wait until day 5 to have Dr. Amy do it.

dawglvr4life 04-30-2008 03:29 PM
Why dock? I do not think I will be docking my Rose's pups tails when they are born. Due May 28th. If they were going to be shown, maybe.

NanaDtreasures 04-30-2008 03:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1955460)
She should be docked at 3-5 days depending on weight and health, if she is not thriving, wait till you get a consistant weight gain. An exception would be, you don't want to stress a weak puppy, always better to delay.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
I agee....10 days is way to long to wait...poor babies :(

sheilajom 04-30-2008 03:31 PM
Ok I have no idea what you guys are talking about! Why do you dock a tail and what is it?

dawglvr4life 04-30-2008 03:45 PM
c'mon your just kidding us right!?

sheilajom 04-30-2008 03:47 PM
No? Why would I be kidding? I have only had a dog for 2 weeks. Before that I had cats. But my hubby is allergic to cats and I've always wanted a yorkie, so we got one :D

fannie 04-30-2008 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sheilajom (Post 1955717)
No? Why would I be kidding? I have only had a dog for 2 weeks. Before that I had cats. But my hubby is allergic to cats and I've always wanted a yorkie, so we got one :D
Yorkies are born with a long tail. The standard states that it is to be docked. Your puppy's tail has probably been docked. Otherwise it would be long.

MyFairLacy 04-30-2008 06:41 PM
The vet I worked for a few years ago and the vet I currently use recommends docking tails between 1 and 3 days. I couldn't see docking them after 5 days

EmrldShdwQueen 04-30-2008 06:49 PM
I dock my own, and I do them at 2-3 days, depending on size of the puppies. I never wait longer than 4.

mypreciouspups 04-30-2008 06:58 PM
I do not dock tails.. my vet does it great.. times change.. for 10 years ago.. tails were not at one day old.. never a problem, or any crying..now they wait for day 4-5 and they always cry.. not sure why they changed it..but I would rather go back to day one..
But 10 days.. and this is from breeders.. wow unbelievable....anne

sheilajom 04-30-2008 07:26 PM
OMG!! That just sounds so cruel! How do you dock a tail?

EmrldShdwQueen 04-30-2008 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sheilajom (Post 1956263)
OMG!! That just sounds so cruel! How do you dock a tail?
Here's the clamp and twist method...one of the ways.


I just simply clamp and cut...and leave the hemostat on there for several minutes before removing it. I've never seen one bleed.

mypreciouspups 04-30-2008 08:52 PM
holy crap.. I could not dock a tail in this method.. I am sure..but thanks for sharing that video nicki....anne

Sassysmama 04-30-2008 09:31 PM
I couldn't even watch the video...lol. I get the heebie jeebies.


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