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Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seymour, Indiana
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| ![]() As for the reason i want to breed my yorkie, Well I think most people will think the same reason, to get the money back for the dog. I paid 500 for it and wouldn't mind getting 500 out of him. I paid $450.00 for my Teddy (My 1st Yorkie and my 1 I used to bred Tiffanie to, he was/is around 6 lbs. in weight and it goes up and down, never over 6.5 lbs.) I paid $500.00 for Tiffanie (10 lbs before being pregnant by Teddy and carring our litter of 4 and 6 puppies) my Breeding felmale and to me neither of these prices was high dollar. Did I get my money back for the $950.00 I paid total for them through our 2 litters of puppies, why shoot NO, I have added every single penny we've spent on these 2 litters up and oh my U should see how much they costed us...Not a dime made from them, does it bother me? NO So U might want to rethink U making U're money back on U're Yorkie. I'm living proof there's no money to be made. At least not here in our home. I have talked to many breeders and told them the same thing, and they totally agree. Ive talked to my vet and she said yorkiepoos are registered purebred, so for the people that say no, I will go with my vet on this one as she has been a vet for longer than i have been alive. I have to agree with the last post, you guys were getting a little harsh. 1st off if U was talking to me about being harsh, I wasn't trying to be harsh at all, just asking questions and trying to let U know that we need "Pure Bred Yorkies" to keep our Yorkie Breed alive. & to let U know what I went through with my Yorkies. So please don't take it the wrong way. We're NOT picking on U at all. I know that my male will make beautiful puppies with whatever he breeds, and im only going to breed him once. So what is the big deaL??? Well I "thought" too that my 2 we're going to make beautiful puppies and yes they did, U should see the coat that Tiffanie has, it's just beautiful and yes I can say only 1 I say 1 puppy out of 10 may have her coat that would be our Sofie!!! So I too threw 2 Yorkies together!!!! I learned my lesson, not to throw 2 Yorkies together. As far as U breeding U're male only 1 time, what is the big deal?? Well U have tons just like me to learn, and just breeding once can cause very very sick puppies (By the Grace Of God) all of our 10 puppies were/is healthy! and what about U mating U're large male, what if he throws out all big puppies and then the female U bred him to ends up having a C-Section? That's gonna cost U a lot of money. So if I was U, I'd rethink breeding him just that one time. If I didn't want to get into breeding yorkies, then I wouldn't have purchased such a expensive dog. U shouldn't be looking at the price of U're Yorkie, U should be looking at the QUALITY of him, by this I mean is he up to the AKC Standards? What about the female U're going to bred him to? Is she up to the AKC Standards? Will they have AKC Standard Puppies?? It's not always the price U pay for a Yorkie it's the Quality of the Yorkie...And I do have to say this and please others don't take this the wrong way...But one lesson I've learned in Breeding Yorkies is that U do get what U pay for in Yorkies, so if U want a "Pet Quality Yorkie" to throw out "Pet Quality" Yorkies then U're gonna pay like $400.00 to maybe $600.00 (Going by prices here in our State), if U want "AKC Standard" or "Show Quality" Yorkies to throw out "AKC Standard" or "Show Quality" Yorkies then U're gonna pay well over at least $1000.00 and even higher prices then this. I love my yorkie and I wouldn't ever trade him for anything. He is such a good dog, and loving dog, but I want to breed him, just like mymother wants to breed her teacup yorkie. Please read here and learn about the "Teacup Yorkies" for one there isn't no such thing and I hope and pray to God U're not thinking about breeding (Not saying U are, just hope U're not) U're 8 lb. male to U're Mothers Yorkie, for if U do then U're more then likely gonna be looking at a C-Section or even kill U're Mothers' Yorkie and maybe some of their puppies. Eventurally my breeder is going to help me get another female and i will do the same with her. I really dont see anything wrong with wanting to breed him. Have you ever seen yorki-poos. They are adorable. What do u all feel about the Morkies? they are mixed dogs also? But I dont see you complaining to the lady that owns morkies? just complaining on what i want to do with max What do uthink im that stupid and not take my dog to a vet. I have two other dogs here at my house, both of them are mutts,but they are the most loving dogs ever, and Yes i take them to the vet also. I dont know much about you guys, There is nothing wrong with having Mutts, I had one that came to our door and I kept him and loved him with all my heart until he got stolen out of our back yard 4 years ago, but I never bred my Mutt to have Mutt Puppies. and if you guys are rich or not, but $500.00 for a dog is expensive to me. We're not rich by no means. When we adopted Sage we just knew we needed to improve our lines and knew we had to adopt a new Yorkie in order to make this happen, and let me tell U that our Sage did cost more than our Tiffanie and Teddy costed us total (No offense Tammy and YES, she was/is well worth what we paid to adopt her) So therefor I know we won't make anything off of her and Galahads' puppies, but I don't care, we're not in breeding Yorkies for the money it's because we LOVE the Yorkie Breed and want to do them honor by getting to the AKC Standards & maybe one day we can have Show Quality Puppies. Im a stay at home mother of two, and we have income coming into the house weekly, and its hard to make ends meet sometimes. So yes the main reason we purchased "MAX" Was to breed him and see if we could get extra money. As we are living in NYS and we are in a severe depression now, and money is hard to come by right now. If i can at least make 500 for max, then i would be happy, and then get him neutered. Im not the type of person to just keep breeding and breeding him. Ive done some research, and the main reason i came to this site was to further my research. So for the people that are being harsh, then I advise you to see how low-income people survive, and understand that money is tight to come by, and we need everybit that comes even if that means breeding him out to a poodle. We live in Indiana & own our own Construction Company building and framing houses, my hubby hadn't worked from the 1st of Jan until April 8, 2008 so U wanna talk hard times, we've got them here in our house. We're by NO means RICH and yes our bills are behind. I could breed Sage and Galahad NOW the WRONG way with this being her 1st heat and throw out some puppies that wouldn't be born until like July (Haven't done the math to see when they would be born if I mated them now) but how in the world would that help me NOW??? We have a 05' Mustang and we might have to let it go back but U know what that don't matter to me for I know I've done my Yorkies right by waiting and my Hubby don't expect our Yorkies to make us money he knows we've went in the hole with them. I feel that maybe U didn't/don't know how much it could cost to have a litter of pups and now U need to rethink making any money off any litter of dogs. For U're talking Vet expences, tails docked, dew claws (For the Yorkie Breed, I don't know nothing about the poodles or any mix breeding what they may have to have done to them when born.) to be removed and shots on each of puppy U have. Do U have the money put back for all of this if not U're gonna HAVE to come up with ALL this MONEY by the time U're female has this litter of pups. If U have gotten U're Yorkie from a breeder or talked to many breeders then they should of been more then willing to tell U the "TRUTH" about not making any money off of Breeding Yorkies unless they are not adopting out good quality AKC Yorkies (I don't know). But I know as a breeder of Yorkies if I was to ever (All our puppies was adopted out on a spay/neuter Strict Contracts) adopt any of ours out for breeding stock I sure would tell them there's NO money to be MADE breeding Yorkies and NONE of my Yorkies will NEVER be adopted for this reason!!! I think U should go read this http://www.21stcenturycares.org/backyardbreeders.htm & don't take it the wrong way, but U are from U're own statements out to make money from U're Yorkie and this is so sad to me for U're gonna suffer, U're Yorkie is gonna suffer, U're puppies is gonna suffer and the families that adopt U're puppies are gonna suffer, for U're in breeding to make money and there for the quality of U're puppies (No matter what breed, mixed or pure bred) are not going to be what they should by AKC Standards. I'm sorry if U took anything I had to say the wrong way or think I'm being harsh toward U (Most of the time those new ones here that think we're being harsh to others are feeling this way because maybe U haven't walked in our shoes, down the path we have already taken & down deep they maybe have a thought that what they are doing might be wrong and their hearts are telling them they could be going about breeding for the wrong reasons but yet their head/mind is saying oh, don't listen to them U can make money at this and it won't hurt the puppies or U're males or females, so maybe U all need to start listening to U're hearts not U're heads/minds) but all I've said is MY Personal Experiences and I just want others NOT to go through what I have. ![]() |
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Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seymour, Indiana
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I don't understand this. Could others explain this to me? I "think" U want U're female to be larger don't U? (Maybe I got it backwards, Lord knows I could have!! LOL!) But if it is U want U're male smaller then wouldn't a 8 lb. male Yorkie be a little to big? I don't know just asking so I too can learn from this. I know my Tif was around 10 lbs unpregnant and Teddy was around 6 lbs. Have I got this wrong? Correct me if I do!!! I sure don't mind being corrected at all ![]() | |
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No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida
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| ![]() We do not know what the contract or agreement states...breeding or no-breeding. If the breeder has given full permission to breed this large male to non-yorkies, then it is none of my business...but a reputable breeder will not permit it. Last edited by YorkieRose; 04-12-2008 at 07:49 AM. |
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Put yourself in this place, keeping in mind that you have NONE of the knowledge you now take for granted: You are living paycheck to paycheck, with not a penny to spare. A breeder friend makes you a great deal on a male, encourages you to breed. Your vet, whom you know and trust, encourages it. Remember, you have no knowledge of breeding, etc., and the risk to you and your dog is minimal. I think most people in this same situation would have the same views. In most situations, any reasonable person would take the advice of people they know and trust over the advice of strangers. So when someone comes on here and says they want to offer their dog as stud to make some extra money.....while sounds shocking to us.....from the information they have available it seems a reasonable course. (To the OP, by describing this situation, I am not meaning to "put you down" at all....like everyone else on here, I have no idea what your individual situation is....I am just speaking here in generalities.) Again, I am not advocating this breeding. However, I do think we all could do well to take a moment to put ourselves in this person's place and think about how we would feel. The points that have been brought up here are valid points....they could also have been stated in a way that doesn't make the OP feel defensive. Having an idea like this isn't stupid, and it doesn't make someone greedy and disgusting....it just means they don't have knowledge yet. And that is true of ALL of us on some subjects. | |
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| ![]() I agree with you. If they were relly looking for help they would be glad to get the help. Not get mad.
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Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Richfield Springs, NY
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| ![]() I may come across that im getting mad, but honestly im not. Like I said im new to all of this, and yes the reason i came on here was to get some help. thanks to everyone for their advice. I havent' yet decided what im going to do. I have been talking to different people, and everyone has their own point of view that i look at. Im not trying to piss other people off by stating what i am stating, but like i said, this is all new to me. My breeder did give me permission to breed my yorkie. My yorkie isn't Limited, I can tell you that part. He is akc registered, and he is just below the standard guideline for yorkies. If you want to look at his parents website to learn more about his generation then feel free. www.mondoreyorkies.com. I have not told my breeder that I was "THINKING" about breeding him with a poodle. Im first going to advertise and see if i can find a yorkie female that is a lot larger then my male so I dont put either of them into danger. I do know that the smaller the female is, and the larger the male is then i can lead into trouble. I dont want that for anyone. Especially not my mother. I know That TeaCup Yorkies isn't a real name, and I have tried to Explain that to my mother, but you know how mothers can be sometimes, they dont want to listen. Im sorry to everyone if my disagreeing or my relpy might have seem that Im not listening and takeing each and every reply, rereading them, and learning from them, but that is one thing that I do. I do listen. Im learning from what others are saying. So please dont think I am. So Like I said, this whole thing is still up in the air. I have yet to send pictures and the pedigree to the lady that would like Max to breed one of her poodles. Im not sure if I will or not. I would still like to breed him with a female, but a larger one so I dont have to worry about the problems. One ? I have for you guys though, When you have a male and you want to stud him out, You charge a studd fee or pick of the litter right? Now do u also have to help out with littler that your dog produces with the female. Like pay vet bills and everything else? This is one other thing that im confused on? Its not that im not willing to help out, but I would like to know for sure. Like I said Max is a male, and I dont own a female yet? |
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Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Richfield Springs, NY
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Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seymour, Indiana
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| ![]() I went to the site U gave, which one is U're males Father or Mother? I don't know but their dams all look pretty small to me except for one or maybe two (Others correct me if I'm wrong) I couldn't get none of her writings to appear on my pages such as pedigrees ect. (Anyone else able to read them?) I do love her Yorkies but some look to me to have a cottony coat as they seem to have some curl/wave in them (Correct me if I'm wrong anyone.) I know my silkies has a straight as a board coat and a little flip at the bottom of their coats. My Cottony has the wavy and curly all over. I have not told my breeder that I was "THINKING" about breeding him with a poodle. I have to ask does U're Breeder know U're thinking about Breeding him period? You might want to call her and let her know and ask her thoughts about this with him being larger. I have never adopted any puppies out as Breeding Stock so I know myself if I ever did I would want to know if the people who was adopting my Yorkie was Breeding them, due to me just wanting to know how the pregancy goes, whelping and such, how many puppies were whelped. Im first going to advertise and see if i can find a yorkie female that is a lot larger then my male so I dont put either of them into danger. U're male is 8 lbs. right? Is he right on 8 lbs. or say 8 lbs. 4.5 oz.? U're going to have to find a female that will be 9 lbs to 10 lbs. or even larger. I have to question U here for U're going to RUN the risk (I know I went through this with our Tiffanie.) of U're female throwing out LARGER dogs! I just about bet U're gonna have a lot more larger Yorkies or any other breed if U go this route with keeping u're 8 lb. male and then finding a larger female for then U have 2 Yorkies or 1 Yorkie or ?? breed that are over the AKC Weight of "Must not exceed seven pounds" (This is from the AKC site) This weight limit is EXACTLY the reason and ONLY reason we had our Tiffanie Spaded!!! I was NOT going to ALLOW her to throw out just 1 puppy per litter that weighed over the 7 lb. limit and her being bigger hurt her puppies as are as finding them good homes, scared people away when they ask how big the parents was...I KNOW U'll go through this if U bred U're MALE!!! EVERYONE out there wants the SMALLER Yorkies...NOT TEACUPS just small in size and build. Our male was over 6 lbs. but not more then 6.5 lbs. in weight and she STILL threw out 2 LARGER puppies. I think U should go here and read and really learn what AKC has to say about the Yorkies, and ?? Breeds U are wanting to mix, don't even know if AKC has them or not. http://www.akc.org/breeds/yorkshire_terrier/index.cfm This is what AKC Says they EXPECT a Yorkie to look like. Yorkshire Terrier Breed Standard Toy Group General Appearance That of a long-haired toy terrier whose blue and tan coat is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self-importance. Head Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart. Body Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump. Legs and Feet Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round with black toenails. Dewclaws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed. Tail Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back. Coat Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance. Colors Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: Blue: Is a dark steel-blue, not a silver-blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. Tan: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan. Color on Body The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail. Headfall A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck. Chest and Legs A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs. Weight Must not exceed seven pounds. Disqualifications: Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension. Approved July 10, 2007 Effective October 1, 2007 So Like I said, this whole thing is still up in the air. I have yet to send pictures and the pedigree to the lady that would like Max to breed one of her poodles. Im not sure if I will or not. I would still like to breed him with a female, but a larger one so I dont have to worry about the problems. I just feel U're wanting to breed U're Yorkie for any pups (Big, little exct.) and correct me if I'm wrong. I mean even tho U're male may come from CH lines doesn't mean he'll have CH quality puppies, nor does it mean all his puppies will be with in the AKC Standard Weight Limit. (This could be why U're breeder put him up for adoption??? Ask her why she didn't keep him for breeding stock.) One ? I have for you guys though, When you have a male and you want to stud him out, You charge a studd fee or pick of the litter right? Now do u also have to help out with littler that your dog produces with the female. Like pay vet bills and everything else? This is one other thing that im confused on? Its not that im not willing to help out, but I would like to know for sure. Like I said Max is a male, and I dont own a female yet? I have never studed (Spelling there) any of my males out, I had a lady who called me last Summer wanting Teddy as a stud from our Vet recomending him to them her male had passed away. I just don't to breed him with any other Yorkies other then my own personal Stock that live with me. (I think others here on YT might stud their Yorkies out I don't know but I have nothing against them if they do stud them out, this is just me and what I like) I have heard once a stud always a stud which would mean he WILL be marking everywhere and anywhere. My Teddy has only been bred twice with our Tiffanie and he never ever acts like a stud Yorkie. Now Galahad on the other hand has NEVER been with any female Yorkie and he does act like a stud, marks all the time. Another thing that concerns me about studing U're male Yorkie out is his weight, for if U do then U're passing on this weight troubles to breeder of the female U stud him to. U're gonna have the weight issue with him no matter what route U take. Please think about this. I deeply feel U need to get him neutered and adopt him out as a "Pet Quality" Yorkie and then take that money and invest in U a smaller male that is under the AKC Guidelines in weight. I know U may think I'm hounding U over his weight but please please take my advice I've been down this road 2 times and U're asking for some pups to be at U're home longer then 12 weeks I did!!! My 12 weeks turned into like 5 to 6 months of having to keep my larger Yorkies. I'm not trying to talk U out of breeding Yorkies, just trying to talk U into doing it the right way and for the right reasons. This is just my OPO keep that in mind. Hope some of this will help U. ![]() |
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Donating YT 3000 Club Member | ![]() Because she show's her dog's are care's about the Yorkie standard Most likely she will not want you breeding him. |
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As for the "harshness" - I did see some - so, whoa nellies, mmkay? If you go back and re-read - there's some "shouting", some !!!, and passive aggressive snickery - so, let's try not to go there. Instead, let's all take a deep breath. In.....out. ![]()
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Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member | ![]() My concern is for the size of your yorkie. He is already outside the weight limit set by the YTCA. If you want to breed him you need to find an even bigger female and then you'll get bigger puppies all out of the standard. If you are serious about getting into breeding please read up on it all you can. There is a lot of great information on this nice and a lot of knowledgeable breeders and non-breeders here. As for breeding your yorkie to a poodle, i don't agree with that either. You'll get the designer breed "yorkie-poo". Yes these puppies are adorable but they are a mixed breed dog, or mutt if you will. People breed for these mixes and then charge then same price, if not more for them as a yorkie. This is not right because these are mixes and cannot be registered with the AKC. They will have no papers, they will most likely all look different since you never know what your going to get my mixing breeds, and therefore they should be sold at a small fee, just to ensure a good home. I was unsure of your intentions while reading most of this thread, but by your last post I am glad to see you are holding an open mind and are willing to learn. Please do. read and learn as much as you can before venturing out into the breeding world. it is very hard.
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