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lilstar63100 04-27-2008 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by EmrldShdwQueen (Post 1949089)
I wouldn't worry...I've had them to bleed several times after a tie before. You probably just bred her a little too early. I don't mean to be graphic but you just simply unstopped her...;):D lol

If she doesn't seem in pain then there is nothing to worry about. Is she acting normal and eating/drinking? If so then just take a deep breath. It's probably nothing. :)
whew... that took alot of pressure off.. i think we were all getting worried :rolleyes:

NanaDtreasures 04-27-2008 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by katelin (Post 1949079)
It seems to be slowing down, but if you push on her pooty it gushes a 2" circle of blood. Bright red.

No problem with the tie, and we can't see any source for the blood. Trying to decide if we need to go to the emergency vet 30 minutes away.

thanks guys...
I would wait a bit and see if it is less or quits before heading for an ER vet.
I think you're OK with waiting a bit to see what happens.
Of course if you feel shes bleeding, and it might be life threatening
Then you need to go on. But hopefully it will quit soon.

bjh 04-27-2008 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by katelin (Post 1949090)
Thanks everyone. Sorry to use this thread, but this is where I thought you'd all be. Thanks again.
I wish we could be of more help. I hope it is nothing serious.

EmrldShdwQueen 04-27-2008 07:56 PM
Katelin, if it will make you feel better, just call the EV and tell them what happened. Personally, I would wait before taking her in. I bet she's not bleeding as much as you think. Sometimes when we think something's wrong we see a lot more than there really is...trust me, I do the SAME thing. As long as she is not POURING blood I really don't think there's an issue. Is it the same or MORE blood than what happens during the first part of a heat with one of your girls? That will help you out. Think about the first 10 days of one of their cycles, and how much they bleed. Is she bleeding about the same as that, or more?

katelin 04-27-2008 08:20 PM
Whew! That was scary!

Honestly, it was like someone poured blood all over my carpet, and then it just wouldn't stop. We went through 8 or 10 paper towels soaked with blood.:eek:

Okay, I called my vet's office and left a message on the answering machine, even though there is no one there on Sunday. And my vet (bless his heart) called me back and asked some questions and then said:

If it is coagulating blood, it is some kind of tear up inside her.

If it isn't coagulating it is like all of you said, and is just blood from her heat cycle, and as bjh said we just "unstuck" her.

Put some counter pressure on it, sit with her for awhile and see if she continues to act normal. Check her gums to see if still pink. It is probably okay and will stop on its own.

OKAY -- so I feel so much better. AND I really really want to thank all of you. You were my first line of information -- and you were right. You can't beat that. Thanks again. :)

bjh 04-28-2008 06:25 AM
Katelin, I hope the little female is doing okay this morning. I can certainly understand why you would be concerned. I have had some bleed after breeding but not as much as you described.

JustineMarie 04-28-2008 07:03 AM
Hello guys my name is Justine. This is my first day joining but I have been lurking here for quite some time. I have two little girls who are pregnant: Ginger and Mandee. Mandee is 7 and Ginger is 4. This is their first litter. I didn't mean for Mandee to get pregnant, I was trying to breed Ginger with Walter. But they tied before I could get Ginger bred! So now they are both due next week. They are really big, I don't know how many they are having! I just wanted to join in!

Tnyorkiemom 04-28-2008 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JustineMarie (Post 1949584)
Hello guys my name is Justine. This is my first day joining but I have been lurking here for quite some time. I have two little girls who are pregnant: Ginger and Mandee. Mandee is 7 and Ginger is 4. This is their first litter. I didn't mean for Mandee to get pregnant, I was trying to breed Ginger with Walter. But they tied before I could get Ginger bred! So now they are both due next week. They are really big, I don't know how many they are having! I just wanted to join in!

welcome to YT!....looks like you are fixing to have your hands full....good luck!!!

TeddyandTiffy 04-28-2008 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JustineMarie (Post 1949584)
Hello guys my name is Justine. This is my first day joining but I have been lurking here for quite some time. I have two little girls who are pregnant: Ginger and Mandee. Mandee is 7 and Ginger is 4. This is their first litter. I didn't mean for Mandee to get pregnant, I was trying to breed Ginger with Walter. But they tied before I could get Ginger bred! So now they are both due next week. They are really big, I don't know how many they are having! I just wanted to join in!
Justine I'd like to say welcome to YT and I hope you enjoy yourself here with all of us.

I'm not trying to be nosey with the questions I've ask below but we need some more information on your Yorkies before we (Any Breeders here on YT)
can give you any real advice.

Mandee is 7? is this 7 years old or is it 7 months old? How old is Walter? & Ginger is 4? Years?

Have you ever whelped a litter of Yorkies before?

Have they seen the Vet at all?

Has either of your female yorkies had an ultrasound or X-Ray?

When did they each of your Females tie with your Male? Did you think to write it down or do you remember?

Do you have any idea when they are due?

How much do each of your Yorkies weigh? Please feel free to ask any questions you may have. Hugs :) Lee

katelin 04-28-2008 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1949541)
Katelin, I hope the little female is doing okay this morning. I can certainly understand why you would be concerned. I have had some bleed after breeding but not as much as you described.
Thanks, she is doing well this a.m. Her mom, Kimberlee S, has just joined on line at YT and sent a message this morning that Marilyn is doing well. Yup, that was pretty exciting for awhile last night.

My only question at this time is whether we bred her too soon. She was on day 10-13 yesterday, and we had already had two short ties last week. I've always relied primarily on the dogs themselves to decide when it is time, although I keep track of the cycle days too. Maybe Jersey was just jumping the gun. And if so, shouldn't we breed her again to make sure she was ovulating and we get puppies? I've never had a breeding that didn't result in puppies before.... hmmmm. What do you think?

katelin 04-28-2008 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JustineMarie (Post 1949584)
Hello guys my name is Justine. This is my first day joining but I have been lurking here for quite some time. I have two little girls who are pregnant: Ginger and Mandee. Mandee is 7 and Ginger is 4. This is their first litter. I didn't mean for Mandee to get pregnant, I was trying to breed Ginger with Walter. But they tied before I could get Ginger bred! So now they are both due next week. They are really big, I don't know how many they are having! I just wanted to join in!
Hi Justine! Welcome to YT. Stay in touch there is lots of good information and help here. Best wishes.

Ladyhawk 04-28-2008 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by JustineMarie (Post 1949584)
Hello guys my name is Justine. This is my first day joining but I have been lurking here for quite some time. I have two little girls who are pregnant: Ginger and Mandee. Mandee is 7 and Ginger is 4. This is their first litter. I didn't mean for Mandee to get pregnant, I was trying to breed Ginger with Walter. But they tied before I could get Ginger bred! So now they are both due next week. They are really big, I don't know how many they are having! I just wanted to join in!
Both of your gals are a bit old for their first litter so I'd keep an extra close watch on them. Have they been to the vets to get a good check up? The 7 year old is like a 50 year old in human years so she may need special TLC. Sounds like you will definitely have your hands full. Is this your first whelping and do you have someone around to help you? You'll need an assistant as you'll be in poo hell when the pups are 7 weeks old. Those little buggers can run a person into the ground trying to keep the pen clean! Load up on the vitamins, your going to be a busy woman. You'll get support her but see if you can find a local mentor and make sure your bet takes emergency calls.

EmrldShdwQueen 04-28-2008 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by katelin (Post 1949816)
Thanks, she is doing well this a.m. Her mom, Kimberlee S, has just joined on line at YT and sent a message this morning that Marilyn is doing well. Yup, that was pretty exciting for awhile last night.

My only question at this time is whether we bred her too soon. She was on day 10-13 yesterday, and we had already had two short ties last week. I've always relied primarily on the dogs themselves to decide when it is time, although I keep track of the cycle days too. Maybe Jersey was just jumping the gun. And if so, shouldn't we breed her again to make sure she was ovulating and we get puppies? I've never had a breeding that didn't result in puppies before.... hmmmm. What do you think?
You may have bred her a little early...but my advice is to NOT breed her again...you don't want to chance that the puppies will be spaced apart too much...or else you could have 50 day old puppies born on the same day as 60 day old pups. Make sense? It could be a sad litter...:(

Ladyhawk 04-28-2008 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by EmrldShdwQueen (Post 1949846)
You may have bred her a little early...but my advice is to NOT breed her again...you don't want to chance that the puppies will be spaced apart too much...or else you could have 50 day old puppies born on the same day as 60 day old pups. Make sense? It could be a sad litter...:(
Sorry Nicki but this is incorrect. Puppies are born 63 days after ovulation which is on average on day 10 of her heat. When the eggs are mature (usually 2 - 3 days after ovulation) they are fertilized. They can't be fertilized ten days apart as they are only viable for about 2 days after they mature. If there is sperm from two dogs present at maturation they can become pregnant by two different studs but all pups would be due at the same time. Small or undeveloped pups at birth are usually the result of poor placement in the uterine horn causing lack of resources. My info is from Canine Reproduction and Whelping, A Breeder's Guide by Myra Savant Harris and is an excellent resource.
I wouldn't breed her anymore after she bled just to be on the safe side, 2 - 3 ties are usually sufficient if the timing is correct.

EmrldShdwQueen 04-28-2008 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1949874)
Sorry Nicki but this is incorrect. Puppies are born 63 days after ovulation which is on average on day 10 of her heat. When the eggs are mature (usually 2 - 3 days after ovulation) they are fertilized. They can't be fertilized ten days apart as they are only viable for about 2 days after they mature. If there is sperm from two dogs present at maturation they can become pregnant by two different studs but all pups would be due at the same time. Small or undeveloped pups at birth are usually the result of poor placement in the uterine horn causing lack of resources. My info is from Canine Reproduction and Whelping, A Breeder's Guide by Myra Savant Harris and is an excellent resource.
I wouldn't breed her anymore after she bled just to be on the safe side, 2 - 3 ties are usually sufficient if the timing is correct.
Hmm interesting. My mentor had pups that were underdeveloped in the same litter as some that were fully developed. I wonder if it was in fact because of poor placement. Never knew that...thanks for the info. :)

EmrldShdwQueen 04-28-2008 09:14 AM
Hey, do you any of you guys have an answer for this question? ;)

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...-breeders.html

TeddyandTiffy 04-28-2008 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1949838)
Both of your gals are a bit old for their first litter so I'd keep an extra close watch on them. Have they been to the vets to get a good check up? The 7 year old is like a 50 year old in human years so she may need special TLC. Sounds like you will definitely have your hands full. Is this your first whelping and do you have someone around to help you? You'll need an assistant as you'll be in poo hell when the pups are 7 weeks old. Those little buggers can run a person into the ground trying to keep the pen clean! Load up on the vitamins, your going to be a busy woman. You'll get support her but see if you can find a local mentor and make sure your bet takes emergency calls.
Thanks Tami for your wisdom for her, I was trying to get more info from her to help us here to help her. I thought that her Yorkies was a little old to be breeding, just wasn't sure and didn't want to say it without knowing, but you have said it now so I know.

I don't want to scare the new comers off here at YT but breeders do need more info to go on to help them.

And you of all people should know about the "Poop Hell" cracked me up when I read that. It is Poop Hell when you have 6 or 7 puppies all at the same time in the same playpen trying to keep clean and as fast as you put the newspaper down or puppy pads they tear them to shreads on you. Then you turn around and clean up again for they didn't hit the paper with their poo.

I don't think new comers fully understand what they are getting their selves into when it comes to breeding, it's not as easy as they think or read about. I do wish her luck tho.

How is your babies doing and Remi? Good I hope. Did you ever catch up on any rest? Did you post photos anywhere of all 4 of your babies? :) Lee

TeddyandTiffy 04-28-2008 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by katelin (Post 1949816)
Thanks, she is doing well this a.m. Her mom, Kimberlee S, has just joined on line at YT and sent a message this morning that Marilyn is doing well. Yup, that was pretty exciting for awhile last night.

My only question at this time is whether we bred her too soon. She was on day 10-13 yesterday, and we had already had two short ties last week. I've always relied primarily on the dogs themselves to decide when it is time, although I keep track of the cycle days too. Maybe Jersey was just jumping the gun. And if so, shouldn't we breed her again to make sure she was ovulating and we get puppies? I've never had a breeding that didn't result in puppies before.... hmmmm. What do you think?
I just wanted to say I'm glad your gal is doing better, I wouldn't know what to do if that happened to me. :) Lee

bjh 04-28-2008 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by katelin (Post 1949816)
Thanks, she is doing well this a.m. Her mom, Kimberlee S, has just joined on line at YT and sent a message this morning that Marilyn is doing well. Yup, that was pretty exciting for awhile last night.

My only question at this time is whether we bred her too soon. She was on day 10-13 yesterday, and we had already had two short ties last week. I've always relied primarily on the dogs themselves to decide when it is time, although I keep track of the cycle days too. Maybe Jersey was just jumping the gun. And if so, shouldn't we breed her again to make sure she was ovulating and we get puppies? I've never had a breeding that didn't result in puppies before.... hmmmm. What do you think?
It does sound like you might have started early. The sperm lives 5 to 7 days so even if she is not quite ready she should still get pregnant.

Ladyhawk 04-28-2008 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy (Post 1949890)
Thanks Tami for your wisdom for her, I was trying to get more info from her to help us here to help her. I thought that her Yorkies was a little old to be breeding, just wasn't sure and didn't want to say it without knowing, but you have said it now so I know.

I don't want to scare the new comers off here at YT but breeders do need more info to go on to help them.

And you of all people should know about the "Poop Hell" cracked me up when I read that. It is Poop Hell when you have 6 or 7 puppies all at the same time in the same playpen trying to keep clean and as fast as you put the newspaper down or puppy pads they tear them to shreads on you. Then you turn around and clean up again for they didn't hit the paper with their poo.

I don't think new comers fully understand what they are getting their selves into when it comes to breeding, it's not as easy as they think or read about. I do wish her luck tho.

How is your babies doing and Remi? Good I hope. Did you ever catch up on any rest? Did you post photos anywhere of all 4 of your babies? :) Lee
I forgot about posting in the nursery, I guess I should. Remi and pups are doing great! Everyone is nursing and gaining. Remi's temp is good and she got breakfast in bed this morning. I fell asleep around 9:30 last night and slept hard until 6:00. Terry came in and put the pups to bed and I didn't even stir! I never sleep straight through and it was wonderful!! Roxie had big litters and they were a bit overwhelming, I prefer the smaller ones. We've got alot of big litters on here lately so we'll have alot of busy women with stickup out hair!:D:D

NanaDtreasures 04-28-2008 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1949541)
Katelin, I hope the little female is doing okay this morning. I can certainly understand why you would be concerned. I have had some bleed after breeding but not as much as you described.
I'm so glad shes better hun
What a scare. I've never had blood like that.
tinged a little with the sperm yes..
But i know that scared you
(((hugs))))

NanaDtreasures 04-28-2008 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JustineMarie (Post 1949584)
Hello guys my name is Justine. This is my first day joining but I have been lurking here for quite some time. I have two little girls who are pregnant: Ginger and Mandee. Mandee is 7 and Ginger is 4. This is their first litter. I didn't mean for Mandee to get pregnant, I was trying to breed Ginger with Walter. But they tied before I could get Ginger bred! So now they are both due next week. They are really big, I don't know how many they are having! I just wanted to join in!
welcome to YT Justine~!
Oh...she is a bit older...
Kinda like me at 50 in doggie years..lol
Hopefully tho all will go well
Have they been to the vet?
Do you know how many you're having?
You're going to be Bizzzzzzzzzzzy as a bee girl. :) lol

NanaDtreasures 04-28-2008 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by EmrldShdwQueen (Post 1949886)
Hmm interesting. My mentor had pups that were underdeveloped in the same litter as some that were fully developed. I wonder if it was in fact because of poor placement. Never knew that...thanks for the info. :)
Nicki I've heard the same thing from people.
But I've also read over and over again online that what Tami said is right.
Makes you wonder huh?
I always thought thats why there always seems to be a runt too.
Until I read different.
Edited to add...I only bred Nala one time thinking if it takes it takes.
I really didnt care this time. Yet I thought maybe she wont have as many pups. as She'd had 7 both times. Well as you know she had 8 this time.
and 3 were SUPER tiny...I cant figure it out...

katelin 04-28-2008 12:54 PM
I don't think I've ever seen an under developed puppy. What would be some of the signs?

Ladyhawk 04-28-2008 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by katelin (Post 1950482)
I don't think I've ever seen an under developed puppy. What would be some of the signs?
The major indication of a premy puppy is the lack of hair. They look more like little rats when they are born. The smallest pups are usually jammed up in the top of the uterine horns but not always. The more pups in the litter, the more likely you are to have small pups.

NanaDtreasures 04-28-2008 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1950074)
I forgot about posting in the nursery, I guess I should. Remi and pups are doing great! Everyone is nursing and gaining. Remi's temp is good and she got breakfast in bed this morning. I fell asleep around 9:30 last night and slept hard until 6:00. Terry came in and put the pups to bed and I didn't even stir! I never sleep straight through and it was wonderful!! Roxie had big litters and they were a bit overwhelming, I prefer the smaller ones. We've got alot of big litters on here lately so we'll have alot of busy women with stickup out hair!:D:D
Hey...How can you see me thru the computer screen------> :confused:
Glad you got some rest hun.:thumbup:
Gosh it took me days to recoup after Nalas all nighter
Then bottle-feeding 3 pups...then down to one...then down to NONE..YAY

katelin 04-28-2008 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by NanaDtreasures (Post 1950496)
Hey...How can you see me thru the computer screen------> :confused:
Glad you got some rest hun.:thumbup:
Gosh it took me days to recoup after Nalas all nighter
Then bottle-feeding 3 pups...then down to one...then down to NONE..YAY
I'm with you -- stick up hair and saggy both. Its been a week and I just now feel like I'm getting back to normal. Thanks for your help last night, Deb. Glad to hear all your babies are doing well.

Tami, how are your puppies? Do you have to feed any of them or all okay?

TeddyandTiffy 04-28-2008 03:40 PM
I just have to say you all crack me up :D with your stick up hair comments. I always get a kick out of how we say such beautiful and loving things about our selves and each other. It's good we don't take it to hear tho. Tami did you get a chance to go see Sages' videos they are so cute and she is a living doll in that one. They are all precious to me.:) Lee

Ladyhawk 04-28-2008 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy (Post 1950885)
I just have to say you all crack me up :D with your stick up hair comments. I always get a kick out of how we say such beautiful and loving things about our selves and each other. It's good we don't take it to hear tho. Tami did you get a chance to go see Sages' videos they are so cute and she is a living doll in that one. They are all precious to me.:) Lee
I haven't seen the video yet, I have to have alot of time as it takes hours to load on my slow dial-up.

Ladyhawk 04-28-2008 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by katelin (Post 1950522)
I'm with you -- stick up hair and saggy both. Its been a week and I just now feel like I'm getting back to normal. Thanks for your help last night, Deb. Glad to hear all your babies are doing well.

Tami, how are your puppies? Do you have to feed any of them or all okay?
They're all nursing like little pros. I've been really blessed and out of 21 pups I have never had to feed them. Remi is a really good mom.


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