Do you breeders really make no money at all from breeding??

[hha]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

Well...I have to say that I think you are wrong. You'll always have bad breeders only breeding to make money. Reputable breeders breed because they love this breed. I guess I'll try to describe how I feel (even though I don't breed)....I am so in love with the Yorkshire Terrier breed - the way a well-bred yorkie looks, the way they act, that long silky coat, everything that makes a Yorkshire Terrier what it is. These are just amazing little dogs...there is just something so special about them. Those that show and breed are in love with this breed too. They show to prove they have excellent examples of the breed. They breed to improve the breed and to breed the best examples possible. Most breed to get that next show quality puppy. They strive to breed healthy, quality puppies for the show ring and to be placed into pet homes. They want to preserve this wonderful breed. I bet making money is the furthest thing from reputable show breeders' minds....they spend a lot more money than they make. It's about a passion and love for the breed - NOT making money

Kathryn is NOT wrong..she could say the same thing to you..all she's doing is stating an opinion...everyone is entitled to their own opinion..you definintely have your own, and she's entitled to her own....

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by hha

Kathryn is NOT wrong..she could say the same thing to you..all she's doing is stating an opinion...everyone is entitled to their own opinion..you definintely have your own, and she's entitled to her own....

Why don't you read what she said...she was asking WHY? and wanted to know if she was wrong about why all breeders breed. It is not an opinion that all breed for money...it is a fact that there are breeders that do not.

After my reply, she then said

Originally Posted by kathrynS

And thats why I come to this board. Thank You Lacy. So Happy To Hear I'm Wrong. Exactly the answer I wanted. (FOR THE LOVE OF THE BREED) not the money. Great,Great,Great wording. Keep up the good work.

So maybe you should read the whole story next time...

[Susan123]

Originally Posted by iloveYorkiesFL

I agree with you that there are breeders on YT that breed unethically! There is actually a handful of breeders who breed females in the 2-4lbs range...and what's worse is that there are other breeders on YT that praise these breeders! These same breeders charge $5000 to $10000 for "tiny" pet puppies and claim that they can charge whatever they feel their baby is worth. Yes, we all like to think our babies are priceless, but $10000 for a pet yorkie? That is just "silly talk" (taking this from the debate last night, thanks Obama ). My breeder is a retired show breeder and sold pet quality pups in the $800 to $1200 range. Another point, there are breeders on YT that shouldn't breed...Sires and Dams that don't BEST represent the Yorkie breed... there will always be people who shouldn't that do. Yes, it's sad. The truth is that EVERYONE Has to be careful when purchasing a puppy, even if your fellow YTer recommended a breeder...you just HAVE to do your homework. Period.

However, I don't agree that ANYONE should be creating a new Yorkie. There is a standard already in place. If they are looking to create a new standard, more power to them, but what they have created isn't a Yorkie...but something else.

Btw, i love this thread! I think the subject has been handled so maturely!

I agree completely. Well said!

[011011]

The truth is some will use a forum like this to advertise. It's free and reaches alot of people. You can gain trust because you can represent yourself anyway you want. The same holds true in so many areas of media now days though. You have to really get to know the breeder. What are they doing to insure that they are breeding healthy, correct examples of the breed? Do you agree with the way that they house and socialize their dogs? Is this someone you can go to when you have questions down the road? These are questions that each consumer must ask themselves before they make such an important purchase. Education is the key in this area as well.

[NanaDtreasures]

Originally Posted by Yorkie Luv of 3

I agree,, educational and informative,, as it should be,, though i've more questions i'd like to ask,, but fear for my throat!

You go girl~!
Boy am I with ya.....
:::::::Sitting here shaking my head :::::::
I just love these kinda threads.....NOT!!!!! LOL!

[Yorkie Luv of 3]

Originally Posted by NanaDtreasures

You go girl~!
Boy am I with ya.....
:::::::Sitting here shaking my head :::::::
I just love these kinda threads.....NOT!!!!! LOL!

LOL,, no no , ,i truly like this thread,, it IS informative ,, enlightening,, i just dont understand why some breeders will run down anyone else who is breeding Yorkies (or any other breed),, for selling at a price,, yet sell theirs for much much more,, oh ,, it just gets all so convoluted in forums,, seems all points cant be made,, things get taken wrong,, misread for their intentions,, i love having found Yorkie Talk and enjoy it greatly! all the knowledge and help available here,,

[NanaDtreasures]

Originally Posted by Yorkie Luv of 3

LOL,, no no , ,i truly like this thread,, it IS informative ,, enlightening,, i just dont understand why some breeders will run down anyone else who is breeding Yorkies (or any other breed),, for selling at a price,, yet sell theirs for much much more,, oh ,, it just gets all so convoluted in forums,, seems all points cant be made,, things get taken wrong,, misread for their intentions,, i love having found Yorkie Talk and enjoy it greatly! all the knowledge and help available here,,

Its not just Yorkies,,,and its not just dogs
(horses or anything seems to be game),
And its not just prices....

There sure seems to be a lot of "reputable breeders" on different forums (not just Yorkie Talk) when they put their website link in their siggie.
Asking big money...go figure......
I wish I could find a Yorkie that was bred from a champion....yet is just pet quality for 500.00....If anybody has one...let me know.

And many sell "teacups"..not JUST one from a litter, but intentionally bred that way...yet frown on it in forums. Go figure.....

So many things I agree with the people who post here.
But some things I do not.
No "reputable breeders" makes money ......

I love Yorkie talk too....
But I like honesty...
Be it horses...goats...Yorkies or whatever.
First I hope we do it for the LOVE of the breed.
And...Just being honest here
We do make money.

Not everytime...no...c-sections, vets bills etc.play in to PROFIT
But if we all charge for additions...shows, fairs...hotel costs...equipment....food...vet bills etc.
I guess I'll never "make money" to pay off my farm.LOL!
Just like anything else we enjoy ,it costs money to have them..go figure......
We cant just deduct everything off and say...wow...I didn't even break even on that horse...goat...puppy etc.

I have had many animals that I did lose money.
But never make money? Come on ladies....
Now slice my throat....lol

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by NanaDtreasures

I wish I could find a Yorkie that was bred from a champion....yet is just pet quality for 500.00....If anybody has one...let me know.

You might be surprised how reasonable puppies from many show breeders are, especially if you want a male. Most breeders don't want to keep males after they reach sexual maturity so many are priced much less than females.

A puppy from a show breeder will very likely end up being cheaper in the long run even if you pay a bit more initially. Those $500 puppies are usually from backyard breeders who don't do health testing and are not doing any genetic screening for problems inherent to the breed. They can cost much more in vet bills over the course of their life.

[love_me_cody]

Originally Posted by NanaDtreasures

Its not just Yorkies,,,and its not just dogs
(horses or anything seems to be game),
And its not just prices....

There sure seems to be a lot of "reputable breeders" on different forums (not just Yorkie Talk) when they put their website link in their siggie.
Asking big money...go figure......
I wish I could find a Yorkie that was bred from a champion....yet is just pet quality for 500.00....If anybody has one...let me know.

And many sell "teacups"..not JUST one from a litter, but intentionally bred that way...yet frown on it in forums. Go figure.....

So many things I agree with the people who post here.
But some things I do not.
No "reputable breeders" makes money ......

I love Yorkie talk too....
But I like honesty...
Be it horses...goats...Yorkies or whatever.
First I hope we do it for the LOVE of the breed.
And...Just being honest here
We do make money.

Not everytime...no...c-sections, vets bills etc.play in to PROFIT
But if we all charge for additions...shows, fairs...hotel costs...equipment....food...vet bills etc.
I guess I'll never "make money" to pay off my farm.LOL!
Just like anything else we enjoy ,it costs money to have them..go figure......
We cant just deduct everything off and say...wow...I didn't even break even on that horse...goat...puppy etc.

I have had many animals that I did lose money.
But never make money? Come on ladies....
Now slice my throat....lol

So if a breeder do everything right and end up at the end with more money then they spend they are not reputable? (even if they save their money for emergencies or the next litter?)

They can go by the book, get the test done, shots, spay/neuter, etc. and Screen to their best ability and be able to get more than what they put out in the beggining because they charge what they believe their puppy is worth.

Having money at the end doesn't really make a difference in whether a breeder is reputable or not.

You can do the same steps as a breeder that ends up lucky breaking even (they are considered reputable) but since you charged a little more (and make money in the end) because you thought they were worth more, you end up not being reputable?

[Brooklynn]

I'm sure some show breeders make some money on occassion if they have more than a couple of bitches and have the space and help for it but since I'm a very very small show breeder/exhibitor I'll never make money because I only have one bitch, one litter a year and I show alot...so breaking even is even out of the question...and if I don't get a show prospect out of a litter then they are placed and the money I do get from that particular litter goes towards a show prospect so money in is money out for me...

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[Brooklynn]

But as I've stated before I'd rather show than breed because I stress out too much with puppies LOL...I love puppies but to me there is nothing better than seeing your dog in the ring and win that is the best feeling in the world! I love the grooming, the training and all that is involved with showing much more so than I do the breeding aspect of it. If I had a mid-wife to deliver puppies I think I'd enjoy the breeding more but that would be another expense I can do without LOL...

Donna Bird

[NanaDtreasures]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I'm sure some show breeders make some money on occassion if they have more than a couple of bitches and have the space and help for it but since I'm a very very small show breeder/exhibitor I'll never make money because I only have one bitch, one litter a year and I show alot...so breaking even is even out of the question...and if I don't get a show prospect out of a litter then they are placed and the money I do get from that particular litter goes towards a show prospect so money in is money out for me...

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Donna I havent been here long, and tend to lurk and read alot to learn.
But I have SUPER SUPER SUPER respect for you.
But there are a others on here I am still getting a read on.
I doubt you make anything on what few puppies each litter you do sell to forever homes.
BUT..that just is not the case with most.
(me included) I do make some money.
Not much sometimes...but I do..Just being honest.
I'm just one of these people who hates when some hide behind computer screens and preach....BUT don't follow what they say themselves.

[NanaDtreasures]

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

So if a breeder do everything right and end up at the end with more money then they spend they are not reputable? (even if they save their money for emergencies or the next litter?)

They can go by the book, get the test done, shots, spay/neuter, etc. and Screen to their best ability and be able to get more than what they put out in the beggining because they charge what they believe their puppy is worth.

Having money at the end doesn't really make a difference in whether a breeder is reputable or not.

You can do the same steps as a breeder that ends up lucky breaking even (they are considered reputable) but since you charged a little more (and make money in the end) because you thought they were worth more, you end up not being reputable?

I think what I want to say is you cant trust JUST here..
Or anywhere on the web.
Fancy website does not always equal "reputable breeder"
Listing on Yorkietalk does not always equal "reputable breeder"
Yes...SOME reputable breeders DO make money.
Maybe not lots sometimes.
Again....cut my head off...LOL!
But most who say they dont are just plain out not being honest.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by NanaDtreasures

Donna I havent been here long, and tend to lurk and read alot to learn.
But I have SUPER SUPER SUPER respect for you.
But there are a others on here I am still getting a read on.
I doubt you make anything on what few puppies each litter you do sell to forever homes.
BUT..that just is not the case with most.
(me included) I do make some money.
Not much sometimes...but I do..Just being honest.
I'm just one of these people who hates when some hide behind computer screens and preach....BUT don't follow what they say themselves.

Thanks for the compliment and yeah I know a few that don't always practice what they preach! I practice what I preach because I am who I am whether or not I'm behind the computer screen or if in person! I'm always the same! There are people on here that know me and will vouch for that LOL...but with that said...I will never make money because I would rather show than breed and I do work full time so I couldn't have more than one litter a year anyway...
Donna

[bjh]

Originally Posted by NanaDtreasures

Donna I havent been here long, and tend to lurk and read alot to learn.
But I have SUPER SUPER SUPER respect for you.
But there are a others on here I am still getting a read on.
I doubt you make anything on what few puppies each litter you do sell to forever homes.
BUT..that just is not the case with most.
(me included) I do make some money.
Not much sometimes...but I do..Just being honest.
I'm just one of these people who hates when some hide behind computer screens and preach....BUT don't follow what they say themselves.

I guess some dog breeders are like politicians......they just tell you what they think you want to hear. But on the other hand many puppy buyers are the same way.....they will lie about working all day, about having kids, etc. It is hard to know who to trust sometimes.