:thumbup: I'm in vet school now, and yes, I hope to make a good living. But that is no where near the reason why I want to be a vet...I could make a LOT more money doing other things (things that don't take so many years of school and cost so much in tuition). I'm sure there are a few vets/doctors out there that only care about making money, but the majority are in it for other reasons.

Just because a dog has been socialized around children doesnt mean they will have a good demeanor with children.I have a female yorkie that Ive had since she was 8 weeks old and I have a 7 yr old. Jewels is fine when its just my Daughter in the house but when she has friends ver Jewels shakes growls and is basically miserable. She cant take the noisiness. Not all yorkies are good with children but it doesnt always have to do with socialization

My vet neuters at 4 months! I do consider her a good vet. Most of her colleagues do the same.


I agree not all yorkies are good around children. Mine are socialized but shy away from noisy loud kids!!

This is true..most Drs.(I'm NOT saying everyone), do NOT listen to you...Even my future d-i-l whom is in her last year of nursing school will tell you the same thing, they don't listen to anything you say...Example, I took my son to the hospital a few years back, he cracked his ankle, the Dr on call was told by me, he has broken his ankle before..so, a few min. later he comes back and says, has your son ever broke his ankle before, the bone Dr said there was a fracture to it at one time..Now, you tell me he listened to what I had just told him...So, I will stick with what I said, MOST DRS do NOT listen to what you tell them! But, they're happy to take your money!

We had Tiffanie was our largest Yorkie being 13.2 lbs. at the time she was spayed 9/18/07 and it cost us $198.85!!!!
Previox 57 mg.(her pain reliever for here at home I think): $8.75
Anesthesia (General): $38.00
Anesthetic Monitoring: $8.00
Pre-OP Panel SA: $48.00
Spay-Canine 0-30 lbs.:$58.60
Metcacam Per CC-Injectable: $7.50
Rabies: $13.00
Canine Vaxx Adult: $17.00 (She was due for her yearly shots and they assured me it would not interfere with anything being done with her!! And it didn't!)
We also had to Pre-OP Panel this was up to us to have done and I wanted it done for it insures their kidneys will work proper & ??? they check for before they operate on her, they didn't want to get into the surgery and then something happen when this test could of told them before hand and maybe saved her life...So this test will be done on any Yorkies I ever get spayed/neutered in my home!!!
Now lets see take off her shots and rabies shot and what is the total: $168.85 that is what it would cost (Oh I could leave out the pain meds for them at home and allow them to suffer on their own but I wouldn't put my babies through this!!) for ALL puppies leaving my home!! So that is a lot of money when out of 7 puppies that was adopted out at the price of $500.00 (NONE HIGHER) and some as low as $300.00 for everyone thought that they was going to be over 8 lbs. in weight and some of them stayed in our home until the ages of 5 to 6 months old due to their mommy being bigger and everyone thinking that they ALL was gonna be larger babies when full grown which didn't turn out to be true at all 3 has turned out bigger and the other 5 turned out 4 to 7 lbs...So I'm adopting them out so cheep and just because I say cheep doesn't mean they are bad Yorkies or unhealthy Yorkies I mean due to their mothers size (Another reason they are on a spay/neuter contract to put a end to her line throwing larger babies & why I had Tiffanie spayed in the 1st place!!) all was and still are 100% healthy not a trouble one out of 10 babies or their parents!!! How can I afford to get them all spayed/neutered before they leave our home??? And our Vet will NOT touch them to spay/neuter them until they are at least 7 Months old told me it was just to dangerous due to their small breed size!! Now we're not even talking their shots, vet checks, wormers, food and just basic supplies here at home for me to care for them and we NEVER allow a Puppy to leave our home until they are 12 weeks old even larger Yorkie babies either!!!!This is just my thoughts tho as a breeder of adopting puppies out at a lower price. So once again no there's no money to be made!!!

Then why do you keep putting the poor mothers through this?????

How does one's experience with a few doctors gives them cause to say MOST doctors do not listen? (I'm assuming you haven't met the majority of the doctors in the country or world)

Kathryn,
We were fortunate enough to have gotten a rescue Yorkie that was as healthy as a horse! He was such a hearty little guy and weighed only 5 lbs. 4.5 when he first came to us. Unfortunately, we lost him on Jan. 2 when he was hit by a car. I will never forgive myself for letting it happen.

My point is, I have no idea what his background was, where he came from or even exactly how old he was, but he was the friendliest, healthiest, sweetest little man that I've ever had the pleasure of being owned by...other than my flesh and blood son ;) He didn't cost us a penny.

We're in the process of buying a Yorkie now from a breeder. I read about all the illnesses here and scares me to death! I never had that fear with Peanut. I hope I'm not jinxing myself.

You know, I have family members all over, from Il, to Ky to here, and it's really funny, but, most Drs do NOT finish in the top of their class, and I think all of the ones that didn't are at least in these 3 states..it's not JUST that Dr. I have used a few here myself, and not once, do they listen to what you say, but, as I said, they are more than happy to take that cash out of your hands. Do you know that the ankle swelling I have is normal?? Humm, wonder why it's only in one ankle? And we won't do an xray, but, if it doesn't stop hurting in 2 weeks, come back and we'll do an xray, and then he'll be more than happy to put his hand out for my cash AGAIN....LOL

Again, I will defer to the experience we had with our son and an entire year of having him in and out of the hospital, often in critical condition. He had a team of 7 specialist working on his case and believe me when I say the communication was key. Also understand that often times we would see one of those same Doctors at 6:30 AM and again at 9:30 PM. So, if I had to reiterate a symptom, or confirm what I said, or they said to me - then that is what I did. Communication is a two way street and as a patient, or a patient advocate part of that responsibility lies on you.

In the medical field, as in any profession you will find individuals that run the gamut from adequate to fabulous. It saddens me when blanket statements are made for an entire group. It was often one of the Doctors that hugged me when my son had once again taken a turn for the worse, or that would call me at 11:00 at night to make sure he had fallen asleep, or that cried with me when they wheeled him out of PICU and let us take him back home for the final time = cured. So, these same people that you say are ONLY in it for the money certainly showed me that often they are in it with their hearts...

It's a known fact, that most Drs do not finish in the top 10% of thier class..sure, there are good Drs out there, but, they're in the big cities, they're not in these little towns, they're going to go where the big bucks are! In 51 years, I've yet to find a Dr that will listen to what you tell them. Heck, my f-i-l was going to a supposed great Dr in Greenville, SC(one of our bigger cities down here), if they wouldn't have moved back up to Ill to a big city, he would have been dead by now, as he had an anurysm he had had for years..of course, these quacks down here, didn't even know how to find the problem that they should have been looking for..so, that's great, I'm happy you have some better Drs there..

There is good DRs and there is bad DRs there is good vets and there is bad Vets .They do make one h...l of a good living,they may have crappy hours and work their butts off .I would take their income over mine in a heartbeat

And I'm entitled to my opinion :) Again, whether you agree with it or not it's how I feel and that's about all I can say! I didn't say all children I said "SMALL" children and what I consider small is toddlers. I do place my pups in a home if the child is over 8.
I'm glad that you do all you do more power to you! I couldn't do all that and devote time and energy to raising my show dogs and go to shows. But again, I'm entitled to my opinion!
Donna Bird
Brookynn's Yorkshire Terriers
Donna Bird
Brookynn's Yorkshire Terriers

well of course most doctors don't finish in the top 10% of their class...only 10% do :rolleyes: But every doctor that passes his boards and graduates walks across that stage with a diploma...the bottom of the class is just as much of a doctor as #1 in the class. And I promise you that just because someone has the highest grades does not mean they are going to be the best doctors. I can already tell that by some of the people in my vet school class...

I've watched my momma's with their pups and I've watched them closely as their pups have left to go to their new homes. You would be surprised at their reaction, actually at their lack of reaction. I have a core pack of 5 right now and 2 pups from my last litter that I'm holding for show potential that are 4 months old. The adults have a tendency to pair off and everyone is patient with the pups but they don't really bond with them. Their mother still plays with them on occasion but is more interested in the adults in the pack and the puppies pretty much entertain each other. My gals seem to enjoy their roles as moms but by the time the pups are 12 weeks old they are starting to get on mom's nerves. It's kinda like when your kids grow up. I loved having my kids in my home but I didn't have them so that they could live with me forever. My 24 year old is on his own and I must admit that I will be more than ready when my 21 year old strikes out on her own!

Again...back to my son. Even after missing nearly an entire year of school due to illness, he worked to complete that year in record time, graduated a full year early with an extra 12 credits over the requirement for an Honors degree, top of his class of 1,200 students, also an athletic Letterman and a student leader. He received more scholarship offers that any other individual in the history of his school and got a 10 minute standing ovation during the schools award ceremony. So, again...I beg to differ.

But, this isn't about my son. This is about the idea that there are some extremely qualified people that go into the medical field. These same individuals often go above and beyond the call of duty on a daily basis. And for that I am eternally grateful!

If the Doctors in your area aren't meeting your satisfaction, perhaps you might choose to travel to an area that will meet your needs when required.

Swimmom, I agree with you! I'm gonna give you a piece of advice...I've learned on this list you just can't convince some and then there will be some you can...You have an amazing son and I admire your family! He will succeed in the medical field and that's all that matters. Dont' let anyone rain on your parade :)
Just like I was told I was riduculous for not putting a yorkie puppy with small children no use arguing not worth it :) No use getting into a pissing contest. I"m the adult so I am taking the adult approach and not argue :)
You know I love ya hon!
Donna

Some make a good living and some don't. Most people have no idea what it takes to become a vet or doctor. 13 years of grade school, 4 years of college, 4 years of medical/vet school (and some people go through graduate school before this)..for a total of at least 21 years of school! But it doesn't end there...most doctors and a lot of vets go on to do internships and residencies...3-8 more years. College and especially medical/vet school are NOT cheap. Most have to take out student loans...it is years and years before they get them paid off and actually start making good money. It takes a lot of time, money, and hard work to become a doctor or vet (no matter where you graduate in your class)

You are right...no matter what is said, some people will never be convinced otherwise.. Some people are just set in their ways and not willing to learn

Agreed!

ummm I think I know that.High school we all have to do that!
My son is in college for nursing maybe DR,I do know what it costs belive me and all of it is not students loans and grants,my best friend has went through vet school,I do know her hours and time spent.
My boy has no time to do anything!!And neither did she all their free time was studying or working at his job,he has no time anymore to play his favorite computer game which he complains about.
He is either in school studying or working

If you don't like what I have to say and how I practice or what I believe in then you have the power to ignore my posts. I did state whether it be right or wrong in "your" eyes its the way I do things and the way I see it it's right for me and that is all that matters. You dont have to seek me out as a breeder doesn't matter to me. I place my puppies with whom I want and feel comfortable with.
I don't agree with many on YT but I do handle myself in a professional and ethical manner and I do expect to be treated as I treat others but I know that's sometimes impossible. Like me or not it's still my choice as how I practice and believe.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Swimmom, I agree with you! I'm gonna give you a piece of advice...I've learned on this list you just can't convince some and then there will be some you can...You have an amazing son and I admire your family! He will succeed in the medical field and that's all that matters. Dont' let anyone rain on your parade
Just like I was told I was riduculous for not putting a yorkie puppy with small children no use arguing not worth it No use getting into a pissing contest. I"m the adult so I am taking the adult approach and not argue
You know I love ya hon!
Donna
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WE all have our own beliefs and were raised to belive what WE think is right.
What might be right for you may not be right for another,and there is nothing wrong in that.

If you don't like what I have to say and how I practice or what I believe in then you have the power to ignore my posts. I did state whether it be right or wrong in "your" eyes its the way I do things and the way I see it it's right for me and that is all that matters. You dont have to seek me out as a breeder doesn't matter to me. I place my puppies with whom I want and feel comfortable with.
I don't agree with many on YT but I do handle myself in a professional and ethical manner and I do expect to be treated as I treat others but I know that's sometimes impossible. Like me or not it's still my choice as how I practice and believe.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers
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I never directed anything towards you. I dont agree with some others either so being this is getting to hot for me I am pulling out of the fire!

I know :) I was just making a general comment :)

Donna

Ya'll are Crazy! LOL ... I think sometimes we need someone to disagree with and jump at a chance to argue/debate... even if what we are talking about is repeated over and over...... and over. Gotta love YT!

For the record, I didnt call you rediculous, I said that saying "my feelings are you should be caring for the children instead of a young puppy" is rediculous. That would be like saying that if I have a couple of children I shouldnt have more children because I am already busy caring for 2.
I couldnt do all that I do and devote a ton of time doing the dog show scene either, although my parents did with dobermans when I was little, and raised and showed Arabians here and in Canada while I was growing up. I dont show though, so I guess that makes a big difference. Although we are bottle feeding our newborn goat right now that is going to be shown, its totally not nearly the amount of work as a showdog.

That's great, maybe he will make one fantastic Dr. but, like I said, the ones down here, where my Mom lives in IL and where my sister lives in KY, the Drs suck..

LOLOL....you all, this thread has got sooooo far off topic, I had to read the title again, just to be sure. I was guilty of taking it OT also.

How did it get from do breeders make money, to whether or not doctors listen to patients?:eek: That's a rhetorical question, btw.;)