and those are exactly the type of breeders people need to stay away from. Those are not good breeders

So if you went to a breeder and you thought that their pet they were SELLING (keyword here) were in good health, had a guarantee, the parents had all the testing that needed to be done, puppies were vet checked and utd on shots and the only thing you could find wrong is if they said they were in it to make money, then you would walk away. Please understand I am not trying to pick a fight. I am honestly learning from every post. Tell me that people that sell their pets from 1000.00 up to 3000.00 are not making $$$. Maybe its cause Im from the south or maybe cause Im blonde or a combo of both lol who knows ,but that just does not add up.

:thumbup: I agree, if they weren't, they wouldn't be charging the outrageous prices! I look at all the ones that have bought their dogs from"reputable breeders" too, and yet their dog has LP..??

If a breeder told me they were in it to make money, of course I would walk away. Nothing is worse than people that use dogs and cats to make money..it discusts me. Dogs and cats are not money-making machines - they are companion animals and meant to be treated better than that. I will only buy from someone who breeds because they continue to try and improve the breed, tries to breed the best Yorkie possible, tries to produce only healthy dogs, and does it because they love the breed. Anyone who breeds to make money is a backyard breeder or puppymill :thumbdown

You will see all kinds of prices for yorkies. You'll see backyard breeders selling them for low prices and high prices. You'll see reputable breeders selling them for low prices and high prices. You'll see reputable SHOW breeders selling for low prices and high prices. I would MUCH rather pay a high price from a reputable breeder than a bad one.

My next puppy will come from a reputable show breeder....from a breeder that breeds for the right reasons. I personally want a breeder who cares about her dogs, raises them in her home, shows her dogs (showing is important to me personally), health screens ALL dogs for all common defects prior to breeding, only breeds healthy dogs that meet the standard, doesn't sell puppies until they are at least 12 weeks old, is careful to screen potential homes, sells pets on spay/neuter contract with limited registration, etc.

So again to answer your original question - there is no way I would support someone who breeds so they can make money. And again I promise you most reputable breeders don't make much money from breeding, if any at all.

like who? There are a lot of people that might consider their breeders reputable when in fact they are not. I'm not saying reputable breeders that health screen aren't ever going to a get a puppy with a health problem...sometimes it just happens, but the chances are much lower than if you went and bought a dog from someone who doesn't health screen. Dogs are not cheap...you can't expect to buy a well-bred dog for $100 (although I'm not saying you'll never find one). Breeding costs a lot of money - I've seen it broken down somewhere on here so far as costs and it was a LOT to breed a litter.

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Many long time fanciers I know, have sunk an enormous amount of money into building on to their home for the ease and comfort of breeding/showing/grooming etc...my first addition was $12,000 (many years ago) updated 5 yrs later at $5000 or $6000, then as I recall my last chunk was $8000 for new AC/heat/water heater and HI-Tech flooring..oh, I forgot I had two concrete patios poured and fenced with $1000 worth of custom made PVC, forgot how much the patio's cost...WAIT.. the new grooming sink and separate outdoor drain system...we couldn't hook into the city sewer where it was located. Wait..I forgot the $800 deck off the family room just for the puppies to play in the winter..and then the screened back porch for the adults when it rained..that's all...except for buying quality dogs and equipment/showing/vet...I have no clue the 1000's of dollars I spent..we would be retired to a penthouse on the beach if I never discovered the world of Yorkies.., but I would have missed the best time of my life...!
PS...One friend started with a $45,000 addition..

I showed a friend who works for a contractor a drawing of my dream kennel and she estimated that it would cost me about $80,000. When are the bucks suppose to start rolling in? I'm still trying to save up enough money to send Connor off with a handler.

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Tami...you only need to breed 80 pups and sell for a quick $1000 each..or 40 at $2000 each...

LOL!! I go for the 40!!

I think there is not one person that wouldn't love to have some extra cash...But breeding dogs with the health and welfare of the dogs in mind, it is just not going to happen!...I am in the hole without even taking in the cost of exhibiting!

So then, why do I do it?...Because I enjoy it...Sometimes when I haven't had sleep for days, lost a puppy, had a difficult whelp or I am sick and still have to care for the dogs...I even ask myself why but when it comes right down to it ...I LOVE IT!

Ask the people who enjoy jumping out of a plane why do they do it?...I bet it is for the same reason!

~Laura

How many cars will that buy my vet? Aren't I do for a discount yet?

We do it because we can't seem to help ourselves. It's that next possible win, the excitement of watching those pups move inside of mom for the first time, the anticipation that the next breeding just might bring that extraordinary dog that will fulfill all our dreams. We've been bit by the show bug and we just can't stop!

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I am here to LEARN all I can about good safe healthy breeding.
Not to debate....lol
I just made the mistake of posting in another thread, when I usually hold my tongue. :p
::::::Slapping mouth:::::::

There's so much wonderful info here.
And I do think that anyone thinking about breeding their Yorkies or any dog for that matter, should be educated and prepared. NEVER breed any animal with known problems....

I've read TERRIBLE stories here of those who have bought from petstores, and uncaring breeders who just didn't care....It was all about the money.
So many heartbroken yorkie owners...(((( big hugs to them ))))

As far as thinking someone should ONLY breed for show quality dogs.......
I'm more worried about some of the humans who breed....lol~!!!!

Debbi

Your are absolutely right.. :thumbup: :thumbup: You said it well.. I am new in this past few years myself..My husbands teases me once in awhile and says, when are you going to get that one paid for.. with all the vet bills, blood work so on and so forth. It is a long hard road, that I have lost more then I have gained. ( if we are talking making money here). It will take me time yet.
I have been scammed also. It not only hurts the pocket book, but not fair on the dog, to be sold with breeding rights with a genetic problem to end up being a pet, no good as a breeder.. but he was paid for with hard earned money. Then to make sure he has the same kind of lifestyle, I find a friend who I know will love him/her as much as I did/do and I give that dog away.. How can you ask for money in a case like this.. the dog is important. He may not be a good breeder, but he was brought into my home and loved..

I will not get into the showing part.. I have been stung by show breeders too.
So not all show breeders do the right thing by people..
At one time it was an art to show, now it is a huge ego thing by many. but due to them showing.. many say nothing to them or about them.

pooh's mum

My thoughts exactly (also my thoughts exactly on your other post) :) There is a place for non-show quality dogs, it's called being a pet. While I don't endorse deliberately breeding dogs that deviate drastically from the standard, I would rather see a great personality than "perfect" coloring. Even judges disagree on what the "perfect" coloring is.

And I don't agree that all reputable breeders show their dogs. I know some who don't show, although they do go to shows and keep up on the standard, etc. They simply don't want to get involved in (or have already experienced) all the politics, etc. that goes along with showing. I personally view it the same way I view beauty pageants....

Of course, I'm not in any way condemning those who do show. And it's not to say that I won't ever change my mind. I can see how it really is in many ways very enjoyable. My point is simply that I don't feel showing is a requirement for a reputable breeder.

I know many of you will disagree, and I respect that. All this is JMO.