I just think she's being dishonest. She clearly said in her original post that she consulted three breeders and a vet before they bred who said "it would be fine". Maybe she didn't think her male would be ready, but I really don't think she did anything to prevent this breeding. If it was really an accident, then fine, but she already said before that it wasn't and now all of a sudden she's changing her mind and making excuses. It is not that difficult to keep two dogs apart...many reputable breeders do it all the time with no accidents...the OP wanted her dogs to breed and they have. Unfortunately, she has put her puppy's life in danger

I'm not a breeder, nor do I ever intend to become one so I can't speak from experience. All of my pets will be spayed and neutered and I will leave the breeding to the experts who know the ins and outs of what they are doing.

But, you've gotten wonderful advice from this board. Better advice than from your own vet so it seems.

I truly can't imagine such a small *baby* being a mother to a litter of pups not to mention her size and how dangerous that is, but this has been talked about so it isn't even worth repeating at this point.

I sincerely hope you can take all the honest advice out of true concern for your female and put it to use to take the best possible care of her.

My god..Soleil is 8 months old and just a baby!! I cant imagine her having puppies for crying out loud!! If you are so hoping she isnt pregnant why not get her spayed while the pregnancy is still early (if she is pregnant) and why not buy a crate to separate them from each other??? I am sure this wasnt an "accident" accidents happen once not over and over again..lol...why would you even think of putting them together if he is still trying to hump her anyhow??? If you are in contact with great breeders all of these questions should be answered for you quite easily..

Dawn

Did I read this right: Now you are blaming responsible breeders who made the mistake of allowing you to buy 2 yorkies are to blame....

Yes you should have crated them.


And you don't need to wait several weeks to xray the 3# female--how about getting an ultra-sound done. If she is pg--spay her now. If she isn't, spay her immediately.

Dawn you are not acting very responsibly here...

Here I go with my BIG MOUTH...........TINY BIT...........You need to step back and LISTEN to everything everyone here is trying to tell YOU................Now you are trying to make it sound like it was an accident:confused: .................HOW COULD YOU HURT A BABY THAT TINY? SHE IS JUST A BABY...........:(


BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU, BREEDERS PRICE THEIR TINIES HIGHER:( .

I dont care what you think of me...........You are a bad mom to that poor baby:mad: :thumbdown If you truly loved her you would've made sure was safe from getting pregnant..........She is to be a princess:( Not a breeding machine:mad:

You claim you are asking for advice but YOU DONT LISTEN to any of it.............and you are a member since APRIL of 2007.......and all that reading you have done, YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER............:thumbdown

I will pray alot for that baby and hope to GOD she is not pregnant:(


I think you are very wrong......:thumbdown

This was one of your questions


What other dangers Do I need to know???


You have all the answers here..............but the major danger is SHE COULD DIE:( :( :(

I am hoping to one day breed in the future. I believe that breeding should add to the breed. I would never personally breed unless my female was a minimum of 18 months and 5 pounds but that is me. I do question the breeder you bought from. It is not safe to breed any dog at every season and most dogs have 2 seasons per year. Just like human mom's doggy moms need time to recover too. If the breeder you purchased from is breed her females that often I question to overall health of her puppies.

Just because three breeders said it is okay does not make it okay. Some breeder are out for the money and not the health of the animals. I only say this because I used to work for a vet. I repeatedly so the same breeders over and over again bring in there tiny females for forced c-sections because the puppies were in danger.

Also some vets are questionable as well. The vets. I worked for would not recommend these breeders but continues to treat the females because they did not want something bad to happen to them. A few of the females where spayed on purpose to prevent them from getting pregnant again. I know bad vet. but those females where then placed into loving homes once their puppies were weaned.

Good luck with your possible litter though.

Three litters in 4 years seems like a lot to me. Most breeder I have talk to only breed there females at a max of 4 litters.

You can take your female for a blood test or ultrasound at roughly 1 month gestation for find out about pregnancy for confirmation.

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just want to say I hope your girl is fine and delivers all her pups healthy and she is fine if she is pregnant that is;)

Whoa - if someone is breeding then they have a strong responsibility to fully understand where their puppies are going. Calling vets, calling animal control and neighbors if need be, especially if they are selling breeding dogs. Yes, people lie but if more breeders would take the time to check out new owner’s before hand then maybe we would not have these types of situations. I also believe a reputable breeder would have a contract with any puppy sold to protect the dogs.

In this case this owner already bred two different purebreds to make what "designer dogs"? and it was all here on YT. How hard was that to check out?

While I am in no way saying what this owner is doing is right (it is wrong on all levels to me) the original breeders also have a responsibility to not just sell to anyone to add more mixed/poorly breed puppies to this world. Where is the mentoring? You have heard the saying before "every time someone breeds, a shelter dog dies". All you have to read on YT is how many sick Yorkies are being bought with LP, numerous other genetic health issues and just plan sick with diseases. Everyone who breeds must fully understand the role they are playing in the hugh supply of dogs that are breed every year and the millions that are put to death every year. Because the American public feels a humane responsibility to not let the surplus dogs just starve to death on the streets and for the public health welfare, the public is paying for the over supply of dogs to be sheltered and adopted or put to sleep. This does not include the many, many private rescues that use their own money or raise money to help these poor dogs. I guarantee if all breeders had to start paying for all of this, then you certainly would see a change in how some breeders are placing their dogs. When is the cycle going to end?

:thumbup: :thumbup:

Good points Cindy. I don't know the background or circumstances regarding these two pups-soon-to-be-parents, but I agree: Breeders also have to have some accountability for the dogs they place. More so than just, "she pomised she wouldn't" or "I'd have never thought" If you as a breeder, have a dog that shouldn't be bred, it's up to you to make sure it is s/n or on an enforced s/n agreement upon being placed. Sadly, you can't count on people to 'do the right thing' anymore.:(

Personally if it would have been me, regaurdless what a vet said, I would have waited till the 2nd heat cycle. My Lillie is 3lbs and I could not even imagine her having pups, nor would I ever put her through that.

Have you had a vet confirm that she is pregnant? I did not read this entire thread, I was afraid to.

Best of luck, I'm sure you will keep a close eye on her, be perpared to take plenty time off of work (if you work) You will want to make sure you are with her around her due date just to be safe, i would not let her out of my site for anything!

If this weren't so sad I would be LMAO!

^^ haha, that cracked me up.

As for TinyBit, I tried not to fall off my chair when I read this, but to no avail.

Wow not only is it important to wait until the third heat to breed but size is very important.
My Chelsey in my avatar is beautiful and would have made wonderful puppies but even at 4.3 lbs the vet felt she had a very small reproduction area and would be at risk being bred. I immediately had her fixed. She is still around 4.5 lbs and almost two.

Lots of people say "Oh you should have bred her" NO way she is too small and I could never have taken the chance on losing her!

I wish you the best of luck with your little girl and her puppies but I never would have taken a chance :confused: :confused: :confused:

Oh also I have a 9 month old girl that I kept to bred and it looks like she may be to tiny also at 4.6 lbs so unless she grows in the next year it will be no puppies for her either.

Little Kayla Sue may or may not be a mom only time and the vet will tell. By the third heat I'll know for sure. I will not bred her unless my vet whom I trust says it is a go.

I just re=read, and I don't think her breeder is reputable..I read where the mother of this little 9 mo is also 3 lbs and she has 2 litters a year..for one thing, when you breed, you can do it back to back, then skip a year, or every other heat cycle..to me, that's NOT a reputable breeder...I look at my little 3 1/2 lb 5 mo old and it just breaks my heart.. to me, my little girl is tiny and I could never put her through anything like that, I love her too much

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I'd never condemn you for breeding anything, but I don't understand why you're asking these questions if you've conferred with so many vets and breeders. If you've already asked them these questions, how many answers do you need?

HONESTLY - Good luck with your litter!

JMO, please listen TinyBit!!
 

I just have to say that I'm SO worried about this little girl! :( I've been thinking about this ever since the OP, and I just feel so bad for her...

TinyBit, I know she is your dog and you do have the right to do whatever you want, but PLEASE PLEASE read all this advice...most of these posts AREN'T meant to offend you, only help you and your little girl. You DID ask what the dangers were, am I right? I hope you're not taking offense to all of this, and I hope you aren't just rolling your eyes at everyone's comments (I am not accusing you of anything) or skipping through people who don't agree with you.

Your little girl really needs to be spayed, ESPECIALLY at her age. Please google something about small dogs being bred too early and all the issues it can cause. She is STILL a baby herself!! You're asking for knowledge and opinions, so please girl, consider everything you're being told!! Many of these breeders here have been doing this a LONG time, and have had many tragedies throughout...and even I, a young adult, have heard of several horror stories that start out like this! My little Sophie is 3 1/2 lbs at 8 months, and she is just NOT built to have puppies. 3 lb dogs should NEVER have been bred, but unfortunately it runs rampant these days...but you should know that it is IRRESPONSIBLE! If you REALLY want to breed, please terminate this pregnancy and get your TINY girl spayed, and then talk to some reputable breeders here on YT or in your area that are willing to sell you a standard size female (5-7 lbs) who will be big enough to breed with your male.

Sweetie, we are NOT trying to be hateful, only trying to save the life of your little girl, your BABY whom you've had since she was only a few months old, from having horrible complications and/or dying during a birth that should NEVER happen! I'm sorry if ANY of this has come across as ugly or mean, that's not my intention. I just want you to REALLY think about this before you go through with it. If you want to talk, feel free to PM me anytime!

I don't think it matters what breed of dog, I've always been told you should always wait until at least the second cycle to breed. We've always had labs and that was the rule of thumb there (we never did breed any). Regardless of the breed they're still not mature. I feel bad that the OP was given bad advice.:(

Frequency of Breeding
Ideally, a bitch should only be bred every other year and she should not be bred much before two years of age. The season closest to the second birthday is a good one to start with; certainly no earlier than this. In some breeds, you may need to wait one more season before beginning. By this time, she is better prepared mentally for having puppies than she would have been with her first few seasons. Her physical growth is complete and pregnancy at this point won't endanger her health, provided that she is healthy to begin with.


It's important, however, to keep the frequency of breeding low. Even at maximum, you want to allow at least one unbred season between breedings. This allows your bitch to rest and regain her strength. A bitch that whelps too often will produce weaker puppies more likely to die, and the repeated pregnancies are pretty rough on her, too.
http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/breedi...i_breed_my_dog

Here are some facts written by an author that did research about breeding dogs and being on the "safe side"....thats the best decision when breeding is how can this be done for the best interest of the breed and the dog...not lets step out of the box whether its ethical or not and then try and find someone, ANYONE, to support what I'm doing here...you'll always find that someone...it doesn't make it ethical, safe, correct or right! If you truely have the best interest of you baby at heart, you'll have her spayed now and not wait for the crap shoot. IF you don't, then you need to find another group to support what your doing here.....now go do the right thing!

i dont know anything about breeding but i have to say i am worried about the girl. Tumi and gracie are 3.5lb and 4lb and both spayed and i can never ever put them in that dangerous situation. they seem sooooo small to be breeding. And i can honestly say i will never ever buy a puppy from a breeder that breed their pups from small dam and small sire, not to mention both are still babies themselves.

Just wanted to say best of luck to you and I hope all goes well with your pups. We all make mistakes and the great thing is that we can learn from them as well :)

Ditto!:)

This makes me want to cry. The poor babies. OP I hope that you are listening. Not to just us but the little girl that is being put in harms way. She is too small and it could cost her life and that is the most important thing. No joking there.

OP, I would like to know what you are going to do? You came on and upset everyone, then you only came back to cry at us for not being nice. So what will you do? Are you going to put your dogs life in danger? Or did you do the intelligent, humane thing, and have her spayed? I hope and pray that you stopped thinking about what you want to do, and did what's in her best interest.

she posted this on another thread

"I am sorry about any hard feeling that has risen because of Lacie's condition.
I am greatful to everyone here for your help.
I do reget that she is going to have puppies so young but I can not consider aborting unless the vet says it is life or death for her. I will keep a close eye on her and keep in close contact with the vet. I use two different vet, she will be seeing the one that is most experience with small breeds and has done delierey with yorkies before. Both natural and c-section."

so she will not be spaying the female or aborting the babies.

I agree! :)

Since the decision has been made to continue with whelping these pups....I honestly hope the ones involved can try and get a crash course in what to watch for before and during delivery and how to care for the pups if the Mom doesn't bond...Again I have already seen this site posted but Deb Jenson's site covers all of this....Kimberly King has a perm. sticky note here on how to care for a fading pup...Any and all information that can be gathered will be valuable to better the outcome! Best of luck!