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JeanieK 01-01-2008 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1640063)
Because as it currently stands, they aren't being presented with anything that can be considered worthy of consideration for making a change I realize YOUR efforts and those of Sue, but it's going to take unity and alot more numbers to get serious consideration. You guys are a small minority as it stands. Do you honestly expect a small handful, with the beginnings of the information and research needed to be taken seriously by anyone at this point? There has not been a large scale agreement made on standards, or wide range genetic and DNA testing enough to back a push for it...YET. I fully believe there will be, if there are enough people willing to go about it the right way, but that has not happened yet.
Well IMO they would be far wiser to accept them and to set standards for them. That way they would have control. if not who knows what will happen. But they will always be yorkies, that fact cannot be denied.

And I wouldn't exactly call 500 people a large group. In the past they have ruled by scare tactics. They no longer have the clout they used to have. Breeders are not afraid of them.

Mardelin 01-01-2008 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1640071)
I am fully aware of that. That was not part of your question that I was answering though. I know of many breeders with those colors throughout their lines, but they are still producing offspring that meet the accepted standard. I cannot say the same for the off-colors.
Yes, there are black and tan and other variations are taken in the ring.....However, first and foremost we as exhibitor/breeders are responsible for our own lines and if honest with ourselves and breeding to standard, to improve the breed.....our responsibly is to take the judge a good representation of the breeds....After that, it's up to the judge and their preference.

JeanieK 01-01-2008 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1640054)
True...but that is ONE line. How many so called parti-breeders are out there breeding from this line?



I get your point, but I also get the reasoning behind this statement being made. Again, you are a minority when you consider how many people are breeding off color Yorkies. The majority of those we see are NOT 30 or 40 yr breeding vets, nor did they get their parti stock from those who were. They are dime a dozen scammers, so for the most part, the statment applies.
All the more reason for the YTCA to jump on the band wagon and take control. don't you think?

I agree there are a lot out there that I wouldfn't take if they were given to me. Who knows where they came from.

But Sue and I and Tammy know where ours came from. We cannot control all the other breeders any more than you can control what other traditionsl breeders do.

Mardelin 01-01-2008 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1640088)
Well IMO they would be far wiser to accept them and to set standards for them. That way they would have control. if not who knows what will happen. But they will always be yorkies, that fact cannot be denied.

And I wouldn't exactly call 500 people a large group. In the past they have ruled by scare tactics. They no longer have the clout they used to have. Breeders are not afraid of them.
They still are governing body and holders of the standard....as with any other National Breed Club.....

If one wants to make a difference then become a member and have input, instead of complaining about how a club is run and their clout.....be what may they did change the standard and are the only ones that have that power.

JiggityJig 01-01-2008 01:13 PM
I have no vested interests in this topic one way or another, and although I've looked into it, I'm certainly far from an expert.

But I'm VERY interested to see where the futures of Partis and Beiwers take them. I personally haven't seen many that appeal to me (just my personal preferences), but the ones that do are undeniably gorgeous. I will absolutely love watching and seeing how those lines continue to be developed.

JeanieK 01-01-2008 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1640081)
They have control over the standard as it is. The problem is, how are they going to control the parti standard when there isn't one in existance. And only a small handful of people working ethically towards one and none of them have even come to an agreement or proposal for one. They are not denying "facts"--they haven't been presented with enough for it to even be seriously considered.
If they recognized the color and accepted it, then THEY could set the standards.d By turning their back on it, anything could happen. The problem is only going to get larger and larger.

The fact that the AKC did extensive testing and is sastisfied that these are truely purebred yorkies hould be enough to convince them. And if it isn't then why not do their own studies if they want more proof.

BamaFan121s 01-01-2008 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1640086)
How can you say that the majority of parti breeders are scammers? Do you know a lot of parti breeders and or spoken in depth with many?? I only ask this because it seems like an extreme think to say on your part. I am a future parti breeder and I have spoken with other breeders and have gotten to know other parti breeders.
When a say "majority" I mean the majority of off-color breeders that you run accross online. The ones that claim to be 'promoting a standard for them' but can't tell you how they are attempting to do it or answer even the simplest of questions. The majority of the ones we encounter here online (cause that is where we 'are' right now) don't present themselves as anything other than scammers. The generic phrase/claim you hear of "all my dogs are healthy" does not a reputable breeder make.

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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1640086)
The ones that I know,along with myself, only have parti Yorkies that come from the Nikko line.
You are basing your claim off the knowledge you have of 2 other breeders?

TammyJM 01-01-2008 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1640099)
They still are governing body and holders of the standard....as with any other National Breed Club.....

If one wants to make a difference then become a member and have input, instead of complaining about how a club is run and their clout.....be what may they did change the standard and are the only ones that have that power.
Mary~

Honestly,would it be that easy for Jeanie, Sue or myself?? How open would the arms of YTCA be for those of us that breed "off-colors"? You're a member, right? Would you tell them that you, personally, are offering us an invite and welcome us as equals?

Tammy

Mardelin 01-01-2008 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1640104)
If they recognized the color and accepted it, then THEY could set the standards.d By turning their back on it, anything could happen. The problem is only going to get larger and larger.

The fact that the AKC did extensive testing and is sastisfied that these are truely purebred yorkies hould be enough to convince them. And if it isn't then why not do their own studies if they want more proof.
In answer to your question the YTCA is now conducting studies with a canine geneticist.....and the findings to this point are very interesting

BamaFan121s 01-01-2008 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1640107)
Honestly,would it be that easy for Jeanie, Sue or myself?? How open would the arms of YTCA be for those of us that breed "off-colors"? You're a member, right? Would you tell them that you, personally, are offering us an invite and welcome us as equals?
No, you are right and stating what I've been saying all along. It would not be that easy for you 3 ALONE to get them to take you seriously. Why would anyone re-write a standard for 3 people pushing for it?
There are not enough people UNITED, behind the push to get it recognized. The information and research being presented to them and the AKC is very minimal andn not enough to be taken seriously and considered.

JeanieK 01-01-2008 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1640099)
They still are governing body and holders of the standard....as with any other National Breed Club.....

If one wants to make a difference then become a member and have input, instead of complaining about how a club is run and their clout.....be what may they did change the standard and are the only ones that have that power.
I'm just saying that they are losing power. Breeders are no longer afraid of being banned from breeding/showing etc. Breeders have other options.

If they want to have control over the parti standards then they should get smart and accept them and set the standards themselves, before someone else does.

If one does not evolve they become extinct.

TammyJM 01-01-2008 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 1640106)
When a say "majority" I mean the majority of off-color breeders that you run accross online. The ones that claim to be 'promoting a standard for them' but can't tell you how they are attempting to do it or answer even the simplest of questions. The majority of the ones we encounter here online (cause that is where we 'are' right now) don't present themselves as anything other than scammers. The generic phrase/claim you hear of "all my dogs are healthy" does not a reputable breeder make.



You are basing your claim off the knowledge you have of 2 other breeders?
Where did I say that I was basing anything off of two other breeders?? Look back through my posts and read what I have written, if you must...never have I said this. :confused: I have met other breeders beyond the two that you are referring to. You know how I met these breeders....by doing my own research.

I base my opinions on more than what I see online.....

Mardelin 01-01-2008 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1640107)
Mary~

Honestly,would it be that easy for Jeanie, Sue or myself?? How open would the arms of YTCA be for those of us that breed "off-colors"? You're a member, right? Would you tell them that you, personally, are offering us an invite and welcome us as equals?

Tammy

Probably not.....but, that's my point....it does no good to complain...do what is necessary to accomplish what you want.......

By the way it wasn't easy for me to be accepted as a member, it was a process that took 8 months. Granted that no National Breed club is perfect, but it is the governing forum for each breed......

Mardelin 01-01-2008 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1640120)
I'm just saying that they are losing power. Breeders are no longer afraid of being banned from breeding/showing etc. Breeders have other options.

If they want to have control over the parti standards then they should get smart and accept them and set the standards themselves, before someone else does.

If one does not evolve they become extinct.

Breeders have always had their options......they are not losing power, they will remain the keeper of the standard and what is acceptable within the breed.....

Believe me they want no control over the parti standard....

JeanieK 01-01-2008 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1640109)
In answer to your question the YTCA is now conducting studies with a canine geneticist.....and the findings to this point are very interesting
That is great news. It means they are actually entertaining the thought that they might really be yorkies after all. It good to know that they are actually taking them seriously.

Then they will either have to accept them, or provide proof that they are not yorkies and in that case set us free to establish our own breed club.

it will be interesting to see if they com to different concklusions than the AKC.


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