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MinMuf1 · 12-31-2007, 08:35 PM

Hey...Hey...HEY!!! Can't we all just get along!?!? The Poster just asked for references on a reputable Breeder. I really don't think s/he intended for this to turn into a big debate. For goodness sakes people...Yes, we all have a right to agree to disagree. But, for once ask yourselves MUST WE???

HAPPY NEW YEAR YT'rs!!!

Mardelin · 12-31-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by daisy mae06

I am Not a Breeder nor will I ever be.
I only support my friends and what I believe.
As I said Before
Let them get their own standard. And Show. Then we can see who Does better in the ring.
I love both Colors ..And I respect Both Breeders.

Or as I said before

Are the YTCA afraid that the Parti will take over the show ring??

Absolutely not....we are just passionate yorkie/exhibitor purest

and showing is not about who is going to do better....it is about taking your dog in the ring and obtaining approval of your breeding stock.....

TammyJM · 12-31-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooklynn

But as it stands now isn't a parti considered a yorkie within the AKC registry? If so, then a parti is a color fault until they are a breed of their own correct? And as it stands now in the ring since it's not a breed of it's own it would be disqualified in the ring. I can only say I breed for show yorkies for myself and not pets but unfortunately not every pup will turn out to be show so I would have to place in a pet home so I do breed to the breed standard or as close as I can and adhere to the YTCA code of conduct and code of ethics and so when an opinion on a public forum is asked I will give an opinion as to what I believe and stand for. It may not be a popluar opinion to a parti or brewer breeder but it's mine and what I believe

But...I have never said a parti breeder was not reputable I just don't believe in breeding a known fault. Please do not think I'm bashing anyone because I'm not it's just I'm stating what I believe and practice

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Donna~

I can respect what you are saying and that you have put a lot of work into showing your fur babies. All that I am saying is that I do not believe something just because someone else (in this case,the YTCA) says it's so. I have always been one that wants to learn and to conclude my own opinions based on what makes sense to me. With that said (written...lol!), I repeat....I do not agree that the parti color is a fault, it is genetics! It is only a fault to those that adhere to what a group tells them is so. I really do get what you are saying, I do,but genetics should not be written off so easily. If YTCA loves the breed as much as they proclaim, then why deny the true beginning of this breed and justify it as, "bettering the breed"?

Tammy

BamaFan121s · 12-31-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by daisy mae06

Let them get their own standard.

Agreed. And if that is the overall goal of parti breeders, then I hope they succeed. My question is, if that IS the goal, and for many it seems to be, HOW are they going about acheiving it? WHAT steps are being taken? You see the claim being made...so tell me what you're doing to make it happen. It will HAVE to be a joint effort....not an individual one. So where are the "combined forces?" KWIM?

Brooklynn · 12-31-2007, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daisy mae06

I am Not a Breeder nor will I ever be.
I only support my friends and what I believe.
As I said Before
Let them get their own standard. And Show. Then we can see who Does better in the ring.
I love both Colors ..And I respect Both Breeders.

Or as I said before

Are the YTCA afraid that the Parti will take over the show ring??

I have no problem showing against a parti in the group ring because that would be the only way a yorkie and a parti would compete if it's it's own breed

JeanieK · 12-31-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Again, depends on who you ask as there are many w/ different opinions right now. You think the YTCA is a small group trying to control everything and make all the decisions--take a step into the middle of that and it will make your head spin!

I understand what you mean. I see the claim made often w/ the off-standard-color yorkies that people are trying to get them recognized, but it seems to me that can't be achieved without unity and a common set of goals. I just don't see that...yet. I also don't understand how they can be a separate "breed" when they came from standard Yorkies, they are just colored differently.

Well the Biewers managed it. My dear mother always said "if there's a will there's a way." It's not going to happen over night, but considering the ammount of interest in them, it will happen.

JeanieK · 12-31-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MinMuf1

Hey...Hey...HEY!!! Can't we all just get along!?!? The Poster just asked for references on a reputable Breeder. I really don't think s/he intended for this to turn into a big debate. For goodness sakes people...Yes, we all have a right to agree to disagree. But, for once ask yourselves MUST WE???

HAPPY NEW YEAR YT'rs!!!

We're getting along, just having an informative debate. I think these types of discussions can bring about understanding as long as everyone remains respectul of other opinions.

daisy mae06 · 12-31-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

Absolutely not....we are just passionate yorkie/exhibitor purest

and showing is not about who is going to do better....it is about taking your dog in the ring and obtaining approval of your breeding stock.....

Right I Understand this but why do so many want to put down the Parti and the people who Breed?

If you want approval of your breeding stock then work on Yours and let them work on theirs.... Right?

JeanieK · 12-31-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Agreed. And if that is the overall goal of parti breeders, then I hope they succeed. My question is, if that IS the goal, and for many it seems to be, HOW are they going about acheiving it? WHAT steps are being taken? You see the claim being made...so tell me what you're doing to make it happen. It will HAVE to be a joint effort....not an individual one. So where are the "combined forces?" KWIM?

We'll let you know the plan when you become a parti breeder.

daisy mae06 · 12-31-2007, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Agreed. And if that is the overall goal of parti breeders, then I hope they succeed. My question is, if that IS the goal, and for many it seems to be, HOW are they going about acheiving it? WHAT steps are being taken? You see the claim being made...so tell me what you're doing to make it happen. It will HAVE to be a joint effort....not an individual one. So where are the "combined forces?" KWIM?

" I " Am doing anything. but being here for a friend

as I would for any friend I believe in.

And BTW what is KWIM ??

Brooklynn · 12-31-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TammyJM

Donna~

I can respect what you are saying and that you have put a lot of work into showing your fur babies. All that I am saying is that I do not believe something just because someone else (in this case,the YTCA) says it's so. I have always been one that wants to learn and to conclude my own opinions based on what makes sense to me. With that said (written...lol!), I repeat....I do not agree that the parti color is a fault, it is genetics! It is only a fault to those that adhere to what a group tells them is so. I really do get what you are saying, I do,but genetics should not be written off so easily. If YTCA loves the breed as much as they proclaim, then why deny the true beginning of this breed and justify it as, "bettering the breed"?

Tammy

Hi Tammy,
I respect your opinion

I also believe in genetics and the overall health and structure of the breed and with that comes the over all standard of the Yorkshire Terrier and yes over time the standard changes as does everything else. Funny thing is I don't believe in evolution as a whole but seems to me the more I think about it the more things evolve and the standard does evolve to improve the breed. I see no problem with the Parti's becoming a seperate breed. We wouldn't have any breeds just plain ole mutts if someone wasn't there or a group of people setting a standard. Whether or not we agree or disagree it takes time to get to where we want or the breed to get whether it be the yorkie or a parti or brewer of even a pug, maltese ect... You have to start somewhere but since I do show and a parti color is a fault and now a disqualification in the ring I can't support the fault not to say I don't support the breeders if done the way it's suppose to. I do not like that people just breed for tinies and get outrageous prices on the yorkie and yes I will give my opinion on that as well LOL so with that said I hope now we both have a good understanding and can just agree to disagree

Donna P.S. I hope that made sense it's late LOL

BamaFan121s · 12-31-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by daisy mae06

" I " Am doing anything. but being here for a friend

as I would for any friend I believe in.

And BTW what is KWIM ??

KWIM = Know What I Mean?

I didn't mean you specifically as one person--just questions in general.

daisy mae06 · 12-31-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

KWIM = Know What I Mean?

I didn't mean you specifically as one person--just questions in general.

K

BamaFan121s · 12-31-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK

Currently There is no club that I know of. I would guess if there was one it would be on the internet. Give us time. This is all new to me and to many others. But I can assure you that one day the partis will have a place, with or without the blessings of the YTCA.

I understand what you mean. And yes, I'm sure it will take time, but with numbers and persistant, passionate people, I'm sure it's an obtainable goal.

So I am still wondering as it has not been addressed or answered:
* Are parti breeders trying to get the dogs recognized as a separate breed, or just a different color variation?
* If it is going to be recognized either way, won't there have to be a group of people, with common united goals, an agreed upon standards, like beliefs and practices working together? I mean, how will it ever happen if you just have individuals working out there on their own and not on the same page?
* Specifically, how are these things being achieved? How have the efforts been organized to be presented to AKC for acceptance?
* Is there a uniform way of tracking lineage, health research, genetic research and records for the partis being bred?

I would *think* these to all neccessary issues that would need to be addressed in order for this goal to be obtained... I actually find this very interesting and can only imagine the hard work and time and research that would have to be put into it. That is why I think that it will be interesting to learn how it's being done because if it's ultimately accepted then that will be HUGE

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Originally Posted by JeanieK

We'll let you know the plan when you become a parti breeder.

Not sure how to take that really...hopefully it was a joke? Or hopefully that at least means there IS a plan?

scrapindee · 12-31-2007, 09:12 PM

[QUOTE=JeanieK;1638782]First of all, I thought the Biewers were a breed separate from the Yorkshire Terriers. Isn't there a Biewer Club and registry???
QUOTE]

I was trying to not jump in....the following is my opinion or knowledge only:

Mrs. Gertrud Biewer is alive and well. She recently went on record and has posted that the IBC (International Biewer Club in Germany)
(http://www.ach-l.de/home2.Internatio...ier%20Club.htm) is the formal registry for the Biewer--no American registeries are acceptable at this time. The UCI of Germany has recognized Biewers as a separate breed from Yorkies. Mrs. Biewer also recognized and recently became a member of the Biewer Terrier Club of America (http://www.biewer-btca.com). IABCA and NAKC have recognized Biewers as a separate breed for the show ring.

Did the Biewers start from two traditional yorkies? Yes-- two yorkies that carry the pie bald recessive gene. Pedigrees go back 5 generations for the German Biewers.

Biewers have strict standards of where the white, black, and gold should be. I do not at this time believe the parti's have a standard.

While not all the Biewer clubs or organizations here in the U.S. agree on everything/anything; however, most of us could produce a list of other breeders. The Biewer breeders do not consider their dogs' color as a "fault". All breeders codes--no matter what breed--state that breeders should not be duplicating faults--they should be taking faults out of the breeding lines. This means bad bites, liver diseases, one testicle--all are faults and should not be reproduced.

Maybe the parti-yorkie breeders might want to find a new breed name for their dogs if they want a new breed. Just a thought.

12-31-2007, 09:12 PM	#60
scrapindee Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Redlands Posts: 4,842 Blog Entries: 2	[QUOTE=JeanieK;1638782]First of all, I thought the Biewers were a breed separate from the Yorkshire Terriers. Isn't there a Biewer Club and registry??? QUOTE] I was trying to not jump in....the following is my opinion or knowledge only: Mrs. Gertrud Biewer is alive and well. She recently went on record and has posted that the IBC (International Biewer Club in Germany) (http://www.ach-l.de/home2.Internatio...ier%20Club.htm) is the formal registry for the Biewer--no American registeries are acceptable at this time. The UCI of Germany has recognized Biewers as a separate breed from Yorkies. Mrs. Biewer also recognized and recently became a member of the Biewer Terrier Club of America (http://www.biewer-btca.com). IABCA and NAKC have recognized Biewers as a separate breed for the show ring. Did the Biewers start from two traditional yorkies? Yes-- two yorkies that carry the pie bald recessive gene. Pedigrees go back 5 generations for the German Biewers. Biewers have strict standards of where the white, black, and gold should be. I do not at this time believe the parti's have a standard. While not all the Biewer clubs or organizations here in the U.S. agree on everything/anything; however, most of us could produce a list of other breeders. The Biewer breeders do not consider their dogs' color as a "fault". All breeders codes--no matter what breed--state that breeders should not be duplicating faults--they should be taking faults out of the breeding lines. This means bad bites, liver diseases, one testicle--all are faults and should not be reproduced. Maybe the parti-yorkie breeders might want to find a new breed name for their dogs if they want a new breed. Just a thought. __________________ Scrapindee--Team Furry & the Biewers www.houseofwags.com

12-31-2007, 08:35 PM	#46
MinMuf1 Peanut Gallery Mom Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,256	Hey...Hey...HEY!!! Can't we all just get along!?!? The Poster just asked for references on a reputable Breeder. I really don't think s/he intended for this to turn into a big debate. For goodness sakes people...Yes, we all have a right to agree to disagree. But, for once ask yourselves MUST WE??? HAPPY NEW YEAR YT'rs!!!