Seems funny to me, that you raise them and sell them as biewers, now you're telling me you've been telling everyone all along they're biewers when they're really yorkies?? Wow, If someone did that to me, I would be going after the person for some of my money back

I think admitting thast you were wrong is admirable.

Why would you ask for your money back? It's still the same dog. A yorkie by any other name is still a yorkie. and if the buyer had done thier homework, they would have know that a Biewer Terrier is just a tri colored yorkie.

Correct Jeanie ..some of my Biewers are going on 7 yrs old and not reg in the United States I knew this and I know my papers say they are Biewer Yorkshire a la Pom Pon and that is what I raise not Biewer Terriers. I knew what AKC thought a long time ago and that it is a colored Yorkie .. so be it, I knew it and I love each of them. I also love the Parti Yorkies as well as my traditional Yorkies ...

I see. Thank you for clearing that up.

phfgkl made it sound like you had sold them as biewer Terriers, not as Biewer yorkies. My mistake. sorry

Why do you keep saying a biewer is a tri colored yorkie when it's not? My biewer looks NOTHING like your parti, nor would I want it too:confused:

You might want to look under Biewers on the puppyfind site, They certainly dont all look alike. I see some with all white faces and some golden biewers, even a chocolate and white biewers and lots and lots of traditional yorkie colors.

Is that the result of bad breeding though? I thought biewers were supposed to have specific color placement and that partis dont have that. Thats what I read on here anyway

If they are not yorkies, what are? Which breed are they registered as, and which registry are they registered with?

Not all traditional yorkies look alike either. I bet the long time show breeders can tell which line a traditional came from just by looking at them.

Yes you are coorect on the color thing.* I've read that it is because of different spotting genes in the two.

According to some, breeding any yorkie other than a traditional is bad breeding.* many breeds of dogs were used to create the yorkshire terrier, that* is why all of these different colors keep showing up. They carry a lot of recessive genes.

Yes, you're right, they are supposed too have specific color placement. With the partis, they don't have specific color replacement.

Unfortunately there are disreputable breeders in every breed...offering poor quality examples.

If you notice the biewer heading is also where some sellers have chosen to list their parti's.

This is a very interesting thread, as I have learned some new things.

I do wish that there wasn't so much bickering back and forth. I don't think anyone is putting down any dog, whether it be Yorkie, Parti or Biewer, so I really just don't understand what all this 'rage and fuss' is all about :confused:

I gather that the AKC says a Parti is a tri-colored yorkie. I gather that that haven't excepted the Biewer as a separate breed (yet). What I don't understand is that if there are people/organizations that are spending not only money but countless hours of research, etc to *try* and establish this *new separate breed* then why should anyone be so upset about it :confused: I mean, if it *happens* isn't that a great thing? If they do find this to be a new and separate breed, than isn't that a good thing?

....maybe I am missing something :(

What is the specific color placement suppose to be on Biewers?

I agree, and it really does't matter to me. However, there rare two different schools of thought on the Biewers. One group says they are yorkies because they originated from two traditional yorkies. The other group says they re not yorkies, butt appear to be reluctant to say exactly which breeds (opther than yorkies) were sed to develope the breed.

Te simply changed the name nd want all Biewer breeders to accept their school of thought.

I personally believe that there are two different types of biewers out there. In The original Biewer yorkies, just as in the partis, the blck on their faces turned to tan or gold just like traditional yorkies. But there are some out there that do not change like the yorkies.

I'm not trying to step on any toes, just making an observation. If these other Biewers are not purebred yorkies, then those who are attempting to establish them as a separate breed, need to determine which dogs were used to create the breed, stop mixing them with yorkies splitters and record their breeding results, before they will be able to establish them as a separate breed.

And those who still have the biewer yorkshire terriers need to be allowed to separate them selves from the other group and keep them as Biewer yorkshire terriers.

Now those are just my thoughts, I'm not trying to push that idea on anyone else.

Not sure on all of it, but I believe the blck sddle and the tan mask, not sure of what else. As opposed to the partis who can have the black spots anywhere.