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EnchantedToi 12-14-2008 08:52 PM
Are you saying that no members of the BTCA are breeding Yorkies to Biewers?



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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2374396)
We dropped the Yorkshire from the name because we knew they weren't Yorkies, not because someone told us to drop it. We are trying to get our breed recognized as a distinct breed of its own and not a Yorkshire Terrier.

We have proven the breed is a distinctly separate breed and anyone still breeding Yorkies with the Biewers, after being presented the facts is doing no more than creating Yorkie mixes. Dog hybrid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Biewer Terrier is a DNA proven purebred. The piebald gene in the Biewer was created through a gene crossover not a mutant gene.

Pruett 12-15-2008 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by EnchantedToi (Post 2375142)
Are you saying that no members of the BTCA are breeding Yorkies to Biewers?
As you are well aware Jan, people that are not wanting to follow the rules and ethics of the BTCA, Inc. are leaving and joining another club.

Does the BBCI still have members that are breeding known lines that have produced L.S. and selling them as breeders?

Pinehaven 12-15-2008 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2374396)
The Biewer Terrier is a DNA proven purebred. The piebald gene in the Biewer was created through a gene crossover not a mutant gene.

Could you explain what you mean by "a gene crossover"? I haven't heard that term before.

Pruett 12-15-2008 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 2375336)
Could you explain what you mean by "a gene crossover"? I haven't heard that term before.
It is when another breed has been used in the development of a breed.
Those genes from the new breed are what's present in the new breed to create certain traits.

In our case the sp, responsible for the black and white spotting across the back, si, patterned coloring of 4 white legs, chest, belly, and tip of the tail, sw, dogs going almost all white.

So you can see why the Yorkie people are upset about the Parti's, knowing that another breed was in involved in its coloring.

I myself believe that some, not all, of the parti's now being produced have Biewer in them, which is upsetting to our breed.

There is an easy end to the controversy, and that is the testing of dogs.

Pruett 12-15-2008 07:12 AM
I have a question. If you breed your Yorkie to a Parti carrier, do you get a Parti colored Yorkie from that breeding?

I have seen some ads that say that the parent was a Parti carrier and both parents looked like Yorkies to me.

TammyJM 12-15-2008 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2375507)
I have a question. If you breed your Yorkie to a Parti carrier, do you get a Parti colored Yorkie from that breeding?

I have seen some ads that say that the parent was a Parti carrier and both parents looked like Yorkies to me.
You could get a parti colored Yorkie if both parents are carriers or one parent is a parti and the other parent is a carrier. So, yes, two parents that are traditional colors can produce a tri-colored puppy....if they carry the gene.

Tammy

TammyJM 12-15-2008 07:37 AM
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You could get a parti colored Yorkie if both parents are carriers or one parent is a parti and the other parent is a carrier. So, yes, two parents that are traditional colors can produce a tri-colored puppy....if they carry the gene.

Tammy
Here's an example of a carrier (my Huckleberry).

Pruett 12-15-2008 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2375535)
You could get a parti colored Yorkie if both parents are carriers or one parent is a parti and the other parent is a carrier. So, yes, two parents that are traditional colors can produce a tri-colored puppy....if they carry the gene.

Tammy
That's interesting, because if breed two what the Germans call splitters (carriers) together you don't get a Biewer. You don't even get all Biewer's when you breed a full Biewer to a splitter.

phfgkl 12-15-2008 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2375579)
That's interesting, because if breed two what the Germans call splitters (carriers) together you don't get a Biewer. You don't even get all Biewer's when you breed a full Biewer to a splitter.
:thumbup::thumbup:
Gayle is the best of the best when it comes to breeding biewers(in my book), she knows what she's talking about!

sierrapups 12-15-2008 09:19 AM
Gayle has the experience and the knowledge of years of breeding that have been highly valuable in the development of the Biewer in the US. I have never met anyone that can retain so much information.
Working with the scientific community, the Biewer has been proven to be its own breed.

phfgkl 12-15-2008 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sierrapups (Post 2375731)
Gayle has the experience and the knowledge of years of breeding that have been highly valuable in the development of the Biewer in the US. I have never met anyone that can retain so much information.
Working with the scientific community, the Biewer has been proven to be its own breed.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

sierrapups 12-15-2008 09:49 AM
Jan, would you mind sharing some information on the litters you have had with us? The more input we can get the better off this breed will be.

TeahsPet 12-15-2008 10:07 AM
When did the BTCA stop breeding to splitters? I know when I was researching clubs (less than a year ago) the BTCA not only condoned but promoted the use of splitters in their breeding program. This is an interesting turn of events.

Thank you Jaxx for posting the link to Colorful Yorkies...contains good information. :)

Pruett 12-15-2008 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2375692)
:thumbup::thumbup:
Gayle is the best of the best when it comes to breeding biewers(in my book), she knows what she's talking about!
Thank you and thank you Myrna.

Actullay Myrna and Ilona made me do it. :)

Pruett 12-15-2008 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by TeahsPet (Post 2375801)
When did the BTCA stop breeding to splitters? I know when I was researching clubs (less than a year ago) the BTCA not only condoned but promoted the use of splitters in their breeding program. This is an interesting turn of events.

Thank you Jaxx for posting the link to Colorful Yorkies...contains good information. :)
To begin with, unless you are a member of the BTCA, Inc., you would not know the extent of the research we have been involved in.

When we first got our dogs from Germany every breeder said that it was important to breed Yorkies back into the lines. A couple of us experimented with this theory and know first hand the results of such breedings. Because of this we are better able to understand why some litters born to Biewer to Biewer breedings have turned out the way they have.

We contacted Mars Veterinary in Feb of 2007 and were not able to begin testing until Sept. Once it was verified that we had a truly separate breed from the Yorkshire Terrier we called a stop to adding Yorkies back in.

If they had tested out to be Yorkies then there would have been no reason to stop breeding to Yorkies, because after all, that's what they were, right?

Now doesn't the bbci claim that they are a Yorkshire Terrier with a mutant piebald gene? If that is the case then can you explain what the difference is between what you have and the what the Parti breeders have?


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