do you vaccinate!!!

[journey826]

I am ordering tonight so I know Í'll have the vaccines before thursday.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by journey826

do you prefer one brand over another ?

Not really but it seems I order Duramane most.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by journey826

I am ordering tonight so I know Í'll have the vaccines before thursday.

I have been ordering mine recently from Jefferspets.com the price is about the same tho as Revival. You also have to decide if you want to use the ones with the CKV for Coronavirus. Those are the expensive ones. the regular five ways are in the 50-60 dollar range.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by journey826

I am ordering tonight so I know Í'll have the vaccines before thursday.

Good....they'll pack them in ice...now is the best time to order them....

[journey826]

think I'll just order the regular 5 way and the order the one for kennel cough the corona I'll let the new owner get if they feel the pup will have a higher risk of being exposed.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by journey826

think I'll just order the regular 5 way and the order the one for kennel cough the corona I'll let the new owner get if they feel the pup will have a higher risk of being exposed.

Corona is usually predicated on the regional area as well as leptos

They are both something I don't do and definately have leptos in my contract as not to give....

[fannie]

Mardelin, you don't vaccinate for Corona? I've gone back and forth on that. I have vaccinated with it and I haven't. I'm just not sure which way I should go. I have decided to go with the new protocol with 8, 12 and 16 weeks. I also have Lepto in my contract to not give.

Oh, and I use Vanguard Plus 5. Same thing my vet uses.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by fannie

Mardelin, you don't vaccinate for Corona? I've gone back and forth on that. I have vaccinated with it and I haven't. I'm just not sure which way I should go. I have decided to go with the new protocol with 8, 12 and 16 weeks. I also have Lepto in my contract to not give.

Oh, and I use Vanguard Plus 5. Same thing my vet uses.

Nope, if you do the research the shot is absolutely useless, there are different strains and there is a vaccine if they should be unfortunate to get it.....

[Mardelin]

VACCINATIONS NOT RECOMMENDED
Multiple components in vaccines
compete with each other for the immune system, and result in lesser
immunity for each individual disease, as well as increasing the risk of
a reaction. Canine Corona Virus is only a disease of puppies. It is
rare, self limiting (dogs get well in 3 days without treatment).
Cornell & Texas A&M have only diagnosed one case each in the last 7
years. Corona virus does not cause disease in adult dogs.

Leptospirosis vaccine is a
common cause of adverse reactions in dogs. Most of the clinical cases
of lepto reported in dogs in the US are caused by serovaars (or types)
grippotyphosa and bratsilvia. The vaccines contain different serovaars
eanicola and ictohemorrhagica. Cross protection is not provided, and
protection is short lived. Lepto vaccine is immuno-supressive to
puppies less than 16 weeks.

[fannie]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Nope, if you do the research the shot is absolutely useless, there are different strains and there is a vaccine if they should be unfortunate to get it.....

That's what I was finding in the research I had done. Plus, from what I could find, if they were to get it, it would happen before I started my routine vacc. anyway. I felt like I was spending a lot of money on a useless vacc.!

[journey826]

I have done some research on the vaccines and that is why I was against lepto and the corona,also waiting till the puppy is a little older to vaccinate the experts go back and forth on the best time to start vaccines between 8-12wks but they all agree 6wks is too young because of the moms protection still being active in their systems could cancel each other out.AND really without a tieter test we don't know exactly how long each individual pup is protected.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by journey826

I have done some research on the vaccines and that is why I was against lepto and the corona,also waiting till the puppy is a little older to vaccinate the experts go back and forth on the best time to start vaccines between 8-12wks but they all agree 6wks is too young because of the moms protection still being active in their systems could cancel each other out.AND really without a tieter test we don't know exactly how long each individual pup is protected.

Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol
is now being adopted by ALL 27 North American veterinary schools. I
highly recommend that you read this. Copy and save it to your files.
Print it and pass it out at dog fairs, cat shows, kennel club meetings,
dog parks, give a copy to your veterinarian and groomer, etc.

VACCINATION NEWS FLASH

I would like to make you aware
that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of
changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this
information will present an ethical & economic challenge to vets, and
there will be skeptics.

Some organizations have come up
with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to
appease those who fear loss of income vs. those concerned about
potential side effects. Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic
well being should not be a factor in medical decision.


NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY
"Dogs and cats immune systems
mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given
after 6 months of age, it produces an immunity which is good for the
life of the pet (ie: canine Distemper, Parvo, Feline distemper). If
another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the
first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine, and there
is little or no effect. The titer is not "boosted" nor are more memory
cells induced." Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper
unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic
reactions, and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. "There is no
scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual
administration of MLV vaccines." Puppies receive antibodies through
their mothers milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks.

Puppies & kittens should NOT be
vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the
vaccine, and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at
6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective
vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than
stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given
starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age.
Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1
year 4 mo) will provide Lifetime immunity.


CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
DOGS
Distemper & Parvo
"According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA,
8-15-95, when a vaccinations series given at 2, 3 & 4 months and again
at 1 year with a MLV, puppies and kitten program memory cells that
survive for life, providing lifelong immunity." Dr. Carmichael at
Cornell and Dr. Schultz have studies showing immunity against challenge
at 2-10 years for canine distemper & 4 years for parvovirus. Studies
for longer duration are pending. "There are no new strains of
parvovirus as one mfg. would like to suggest. Parvovirus vaccination
provides cross immunity for all types." Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one
of the agents known to be a cause of kennel cough. Only vaccines with
CAV-2 should be used as CAV-1 vaccines carry the risk of "hepatitis
blue-eye" reactions & kidney damage.

[journey826]

I know you well etablished breeders don't have the same issue but for those who do or know, how do you deal with DR.s putting down breeders vaccinating themselves?I ask this because when I got my pup he only needed one more shot until the next year and rabies,but the vet I went to, I'll be dang on they didn't vaccinate my pup all over again for everything each time I came in. always saying it was something that was not in the regular vaccine he needed.I want to give mine ALL their shots before they go so all they will need is the rabies.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by journey826

I know you well etablished breeders don't have the same issue but for those who do or know, how do you deal with DR.s putting down breeders vaccinating themselves?I ask this because when I got my pup he only needed one more shot until the next year and rabies,but the vet I went to, I'll be dang on they didn't vaccinate my pup all over again for everything each time I came in. always saying it was something that was not in the regular vaccine he needed.I want to give mine ALL their shots before they go so all they will need is the rabies.

The only thing that is required by each state is Rabies....so, you do have rights as a responsible canine owner....

My pups leave my home with a minimum of 2 vaccines prior to leaving my home and since they do go to local homes....my new families have opted to use my vet.....

I highly recommend that you take an active role in your medical care for your pups......I know that the vet I did have was no longer my vet when I asked him if he performed dentals on all the dogs that came in....he told me that his vet techs did it.....I politely told him that I would no longer being using him for my dentals....he asked why....my response was is that I'm paying for vet services not tech services and I want to make sure that should an emergency arise I want to make sure that the vet is at the helm.....

So, if you are unhappy with your vet.....and he won't do what you ask him too, tell him you'll find another vet...

My vet knows that I give my own vaccines.....however, he does know that I do not falter on annual checkups, including flotation. dentals and emergencies. So, he isn't going to lose out on obtaining money from me.

[journey826]

an I have gone through 4 vets because of this.I ask are they making that little or are they just greedy.the vet right up the block from me over charged me for tests that were not needed.I don't like to be mean or rude but I had already told her no.I paid but I did not go back.another vet was looking at my boy for the retained testicule I had shaved him down prior to going in and he still said he needed to shave him cut him open right in front of me I almost fainted.then his tech lied for him he said he bit him.he did not even when he cut him he cried and tried to get away.it seems you get crappy service as soon as they think you have a brain and want to be involved in your animals care