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Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jersey Shore
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| ![]() Hi. I'm having a problem and would like input of any teachers out there. Please. My son is 12 yrs. old in seventh grade. He scores in the 98 percentile on the country wide tests, in gifted classes and is currently in honor's math (Which I think is 9th grade Algebra) Next year he will be taking Geometry. In september his first progress report he received 24 outstandings and one unsatisfactory. The first time in his life. The unsatisfactory was in his honor's math. My husband and I were dumbfounded with the "u" since we never had any communication from the teacher to indicate a problem. We did speak to our son who said that "A lot of the kid's got unsatisfactories and that the kids that got them including himself were maintaning C and B's. Nick for the record had a 75 average at the time. We had a meeting (September) and she wanted Nick pulled from honors. After discussion with her, the principal and us it was decided to give him a chance. We asked if she could update us with a note sent home on Friday letting us know how he did, whether he struggled with anything etc. She said and I quote "Every week. I don't have time for that." Well the principal was shocked as we were. The guidance counselor then jumped in and said "We have a Friday report and you have to fill it out at a parent's request." It was then decided that this would come home with Nick on Friday. We got them every week up until Thankgiving week in which they were off and then this week in which they had half days due to conference. We also did receive Nick's report card right before Thanksgiving in which he received an 83 percent (high C) in math - so he brought it up from a 75 to an 83. By the way, he was 1/2 a point away from a B and that 1/2 of a point kept him for the first time off the honor roll. This past Friday, we received a call from the councelor stating that this math teacher thought he should be pulled from honor's because he is still struggling. I was taken back since his report card grade and since once again we had no communication to indicate a problem. We once again had a meeting. The meeting was not good. She was very nasty. I just want to say we have never had a problem with any teacher ever. She said she gave Nick a report on Friday to bring home. I told her we asked Nick and he said due to the half day he never received one. She said he was a liar. Well, I stated that my son does not lie. I know parents say this and think their kids are great but let me say a couple of things 1. Nick is Autistic. He has Asperger's very high functioning and he is on the spectrum of shy and quiet not hyper. Everything to him is black and white and he follows all the rules etc. He does not know how to lie. I explained this to the principal in front her her. So I was not just assuming. I know from living with him. 2. My older boy had this same teacher and we had problems with her then too HOWEVER, I took he side NOT MY OLDER SON'S SIDE because my boys are night and day. My older son would fib and say he didn't get it - just to avoid gbetting in trouble and I know this about him just as I know that Nick won't. Anyway, sorry so long but they pulled Nick into the meeting and asked him and he said that he did not get the paper. He could sense the tension in the room and when the counselor started to grill him about the work etc. he started to melt down and I attempted to comfort him with "Nick you're not in trouble" and this teacher huffed and gave a discussed look. I asked to have my son removed from the room. Once gone the discussion went on. The principal who has been there ONLY 3 weeks said "Well you believe your son but I believe my teacher's." Another words he will ALWAYS back his teacher/s. With that I said "Ok meeting is done." and stated that I'd take it up with the Board of Education. With that this teacher then said "Knock yourself out." Very very very nasty during the meeting, just very unprofessional. I did speak to the superintenent and not sure what will happen. His whole schedule is disrupted because I took him out of the honors and put him in an "A" track math class that does the same work but at a slower pace. My issue here is she has tenure. She has had MANY issues with other parents - not hear say. Two months ago the same situation with another parent and honor's child and they had to at that time also remove this teacher from the room. Seven children this year have been removed voluntarily from this teacher's class due to similiar circumstances. My question is with Tenure what does this mean? Does it give them a free hand to act and do as they please with no consequences or will action be taken? I feel very badly for my son. He's a very good kid. No one has a bad thing to say about him and he's struggled his whole life to get as far as he has. I'm very worried that all of this will set him back emotionally. I was especially angry that this teacher would huff and give a disgusted huff and look when I tried to comfort him. I don't baby him. I really don't but I could see he was getting very upset by the atmosphere and just wanted him to know that it was alright - he was not in trouble. Thanks for any input and again I'm sorry so long. I really did try to keep it short. Elaine Every week on Wed. she is there for extra help. Nick took full advantage of this. |
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Loved by Layla Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada
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| ![]() Wow I am so sorry this is happening to you. I taught a student with Aspergers that sounded very similar to your Nick's. They are great kids and very very smart. ![]() Im in Canada where teachers don't have "tenure" however, it is my understanding that no teacher can do whatever they want without consequence. I'm sure she feels she can since she does have tenure. I would definitly take this up with the board. How does Nick feel? does he like the class or does the "low" mark bother him? If he likes it and it is challenging him (which is what school IS all about) then I would ask to keep him in. However, you are his parent- you know what is right for him better than anyone. I think you have every right to go to the board and I think you SHOULD do well there- assuming not everyone is like your principal and the teacher. Sadly there are MANY teachers out there that give the rest of us bad names. I'm not sure why they do what they do. Teaching is not easy but you do the work because you love what you do- and clearly she doens't. Good luck- keep sticking up for your son. |
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♥ Chip ♥ Smokey ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Leesburg
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| ![]() Maybe he wasn't doing as good because of the teacher? Maybe she was being nasty to him and it caused his grades to go down. I know that happened to me a lot in school... when I would have problems with a teacher, my grades would go down...
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Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mo
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| ![]() I'm not a school teacher, but I am a school nurse and have been in meetings such as this, due to the students diagnosis. This makes me so mad!!! No teacher should talk to a parent with that tone. She showed you no respect. Take this to the school board and demand respect. I am so sorry you had to go through this and more sorry your son had to witness her non professional attitude. You have every right to fight for the right of your son. If you feel he should be in this math class and he wants to continue it, then fight for him. There are also parent advocants (sp) that will help you. Research and find someone to help fight for his educational rights. Tenure means she has over five years in that school district and it will take a act of congress to fire her, but they could put her in a different classroom or make her teach something other than math. I'm sure your not wanting to get her fired, but demanding the respect your son deserves. Teachers like her shouldn't be teaching. Sounds like she has a problem with your son, which is wrong. ![]()
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YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: texas
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| ![]() I volunteer at my childrens school and unfortunaely I see this happening ALOT. I do believe tenure does mean getting away with more than they should. This teacher will probably get away with this behavior. Im soooo sorry your son has had this experience and I hope he can continue his education with no setbacks. |
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Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: USA
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| ![]() I just want to say I am really sorry about this whole situation...It must make your son very, very uncomfortable considering that he has to see this teacher everyday at school. That teacher sounds completely unprofessional, and I hate that just because someone has tenure means that they have the right to act however they want...I've come across teachers/instructors/professors like that, and it is not right. I would definitely take this further even if your son does not want to stay in the class, which I'm sure at this point, he doesn't...Teachers should not be allowed to act that way...They need to have common courtesy and respect for parents AND students.
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Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Massachusetts
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| ![]() I'm in grad school to become an art teacher...so not technically a teacher yet but...no teacher should ever be allowed to act this way, regardless of tenure. If the principal isn't willing to help you, I say take it to the school committee. If you know some of the other parents who have had negative experiences with this teacher ask them to come with you. Strength in numbers! Someone has to stand up to this woman! Sorry your son is having to deal with this. Ashley
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Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada
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| ![]() I have only heard of tenure at the university level here in Canada, no Teacher should be able to treat your son in such a fashion. That being said, even if she has tenure it does not mean that she cannot be reprimanded. Tenure as far as my understanding goes means that she will always have a job with that board, or school, so if there are class cuts, she would be able to stay before a non tenure individual, but again not sure how that works in the States. Obviously, your Principle is just as unprofessional. Now this is only my opinion, but if he were my son, I would have him taken out of the class. The tension that this teacher gives off is probably not good for his own well being, and she could possibly be taking her anger at you on your son. Is he the only one in his class that has Aspbergers, she could possibly be prejudiced, and assume that because he is autistic, he should be at a lower learning level. She obviously needs to be set straight, but I don't think your son should have to deal with this individual on a daily basis. Do you have a parents association, that you could put a petition of sorts out. If other parents are feeling the same way perhaps the lot of you could take it to the superintendent, or board. Not sure how your educational system works. I really feel for your son, he must be one great kid. ![]() ~Tammy Last edited by Yorkie Gems; 12-10-2008 at 07:51 PM. |
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♥ Chip ♥ Smokey ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Leesburg
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| ![]() Seriously, is the principal stupid? I mean if he looks at your son's track record, and grades, and comments from his teachers, wouldn't it be kind of OBVIOUS that this teacher is a nit wit considering she is the only one he's having or has had a problem with?
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jrsygal37, I am so sorry about your situation. Your son sounds like a GREAT kid and that is horrible the way she talked to you both. She sounds like a huge B*&^% that shouldn't be teaching!! Gosh I feel your frustration.. I really hope you do take it to the board and that teacher gets moved or something at least ![]() | |
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Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Alabama
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| ![]() I am NOT a teacher, but worked as a paraprofessional for 13 years. I also had a problem with the Senior High School that my oldest son attended. Due tot he nature of the problem and the Nastiness of the Principal and staff we sued in FEDERAL COURT and won the case. A few thoughts..... 1) Your son's best interests are of utmost importance, pardon my french, but screw the school..... 2) If your son as an IEP then they are in a sh*tpot full of trouble if you push the issue 3) I would request another meeting, and RECORD it and/or ask for a copy of the recording from the previous meetings - if the school recorded them. 4) If it won't embarass your son, visit the class - you have parental rights. 5) Be sure to document EVERYTHING! Good luck - my heart breaks for both your son and for YOU! Please update us - I am very concerned for your son. |
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Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Miami,Fl
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| ![]() It is unfortunate by this happens very often. Mostly because teachers are underpaid and some become very bitter and irritable. I am not a teacher but I work closely with teachers. I will never forget I had this teacher that was very nasty with everyone. I always got A's so I stayed in the quiet side. My mom was hospitalized and I went in and took a test and failed it. When she gave me the test she screamed out loud how I was a failure and I would never amount to anything and that I failed because I am very stupid. I was in tears for a bit, but we had a parent teacher conference and she denied the whole thing even after a whole classroom had heard what she had said, very unprofessional. It is unfortunate that there are teachers like that. Teaching is one job that if you are not happy with your job...don't do it. Take it to the school board, at least here in Florida they are very good with manners like this, they actually care.
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Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA
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Back to your son, first of to the OP I have to say CONGRATS!!! You're son is scoring in the 98th percentile, I hope you let him know how proud you are of him, I am too! ![]() As for your son and his tenure teacher, if his teacher was anything like the tenure teachers I had in highschool for math or the one I had for history... my sympathies. They pretty much ran the joint as they were head of their respective departments. No one, and I mean NO ONE could tell them what to do. Sometimes when a teacher reaches tenure, they forget why they began teaching in the first place. All they see is the job security tenure offers, which makes some feel like they can do no wrong now. It's sad but these teachers with a stick up there a#$ are there and make students lives miserable. (now everyone think back to their high school or jr high days... ![]() Bottom line, you're son is doing AMAZING keep encouraging him, and if his teacher is more than he can handle, do whatever you think is best. Either take him out of that situation or fight to get the board on your side. Don't blame the principle, especially if he's new. 4 weeks are not enough in my opinion for a new principle to become acclimated to their school, new staff, teachers, and get to know students especially if the student isn't constantly being sent to his office. Whatever you decide please continue to encourage him. He is doing Algebra in the seventh grade when most of the high school students I knew were in remedial algebra. Some of the ones I tutor (11th graders) just roll their eyes at the idea of math. If you're son can increase his overall average up to an 83 that tells you he's working hard and can handle the work. Sorry if my post is more of a babble than a response, but I think education is important and sometimes teachers forget they have a hand in molding our future generations.
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YT Addict Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Schweinfurt, Bayern, Germany
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| ![]() Hey, I'm not a teacher, but was more or less, "that kid" if i sound arrogant i don't mean to I just had a really hard time in high school. I don't have any sort of autism though so your son is head and shoulders above where i was just due to that. I was the smart kid in all the gifted and talented classes until about 8th grade. At that point the teachers stopped challenging me so i stopped doing the work. Instead of pushing to get the most they just sort of left me hanging out doing the same work as everyone else in half the time and then left to amuse my self for the extra 10 minutes. I would read books or color. Nothing disruptive since I was quiet and shy, but I'd get in trouble for "distracting other students" or "leading rebellions" ![]() Not saying I was doing the right thing, but i'm not a sit still at your desk and wait for everyone else to finish type person. I ended up being tutored in math over the summer so that i could skip a grade level for the challenge. and it became a HUGE issue with the school system. Alot of other random stuff happened in that time period but needless to say, It turned into this huge battle over me between teachers and administration and my parents. in the end my parents put me in a private highschool starting my ninth grade year. That solved alot of the problems for me. Just wanted to let you know that if your son has a good track record than fight for it if its what he needs, but don't let the fight get in the way of his well being. Good luck and those of us with issues do turn out ok if given the chance! I'll keep you guys in my thoughts. ![]() |
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YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Crofton, MD, USA
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| ![]() Hi, I'm a teacher, and am dumbfounded at what that teacher said in the meeting, in front of the principal. As a teacher, I try to keep the lines of communication open and send home a Friday Folder every week with all their work and comments. It is a lot of work, and often goes unnoticed, but it is worth it for those few parents who genuinely appreciate it! Does your son have an IEP? If so, the teacher needs to be reminded that it is a LEGAL document and therefore MUST be followed through. As far as tenure goes, it does seem that in some cases teachers can do whatever they want and not get in trouble, but that is in extreme circumstances, which it seems like you are in! I hope you did take this up with the board. By putting pressure on them you are putting pressure on your administrator and therefore your teacher. I would try seeing exactly what skills he is struggling with (is there an online textbook or access to the curriculum) and see if he is having trouble with the actual work or the way in which it is being presented (aka the teacher). Sorry this post is all over the place but this seems like it must be frustrating for you and I am frustrated just reading it!!! Good luck!! |
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