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11-17-2008, 09:48 AM | #1 |
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| Worried sick about my yorkie "harley" I am so glad i found this forum again, i am seriously concerned about my 4 year old son, harley. He lives a life of luxury and is taken to the vet for any little scare because he almost died about 1 1/2 ago, still dont really understand why? He is a very picky eater. He does not get any table food, and was on the eukanuba pouches until recall. He tested them, an and liver level was eleveated. Long story short, we got past all that, with the help of my wonderful vet, meds, and a lot of tlc. About 9 months ago, he collapsed at my parents house, and i rushed him to the emergency clinc, he was dehyrated, and had thrown up blood, was very constipated, but when he did have a bowel movement it was bloddy and loose with mucas in it. They thought he had "hge", by process of elimination, and was treated for that with fluids, pills, and many visits back to have blood panels checked. He has been on the hills i/d canned food since he was switched from the eukanuba. After the liver was determined to be damaged, he was switched to the l/d hills. After 2-3 months of this, he was released and given a clean bill of health. The vet said he just has a very sensitive stomach and digestive system. I totally understand that part. He has been back on the i/d now, and gets no treats at all, and about 3 weeks ago, harley got sick again. He would be okay for a few days, then down, would not eat or drink, then cried when i tried to pick him up, stomach very noisy during the night, i couldnt sleep, his breathing seems weird, and he doesnt act right, his bowels continue to get backed up, he scoots, and you can tell he is so uncomfortable, back to the vet we went, he was dehyrdrated again, another $400 later, we leave with different food, purina one, suppposedly for small breeds and helps with digestive and intestine tract disorders, but same results. I am at the point where i want my baby to just live a happy life and be able to be a doggy and run and play, and not be sick and bloated, or have diarrea, it's always one extreme to the other, very active, playful, eats, or sickly, constipated and dont eat. They have taken xrays, countless blood panels, and cant seem to figure out the problem. I want to find the right food for him that he will eat, and be able to digest and live a normal happy life as a pampered pooch! Every night i lay with my hand on him to make sure he is breathing and i am scared to death something is wrong that no one has found yet. Please advise... |
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11-17-2008, 09:56 AM | #2 |
♥ Piccolo & Vivi ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kentucky
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| I don't have any advice, but hopefully someone else can help you on YT. It sounds like you are a great furbaby mom and I am so sorry your little one is having so many problems. We are glad you are here at YT - Welcome.
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11-17-2008, 09:57 AM | #3 |
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| hmmmm....I don't know When TJ was a baby he had issues. These noises would come from him that I thought was a monster in his tummy. He had globs of mucus poops, then the runny stools, and vomit. He was put on the antib Metro (short sp version) but that didn't help him, then we did a restriction diet, a single source protein Duck/Potato flavor. That helped a little. Then we did a blood panel which showed his Folate levels were high. The Vet said IBD - over growth of bacteria in his small intestines. We tried Tylan Powder, which worked for TJ. Finally after a year of the Tylan he was able to resume a normal life On another note....Has he had a Bile Acid Test done? |
11-17-2008, 01:41 PM | #4 |
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| Hills and Purina are bad food Rx or not!! It makes me so angery that vets still tell people to feed there dogs bad food!!! There are alot of other people on here that can tell you what food worked for there dogs. Also check any food you chose for Citric Acid, if it has citric acid do not put water in it as it can cause bloat, which might be causing your dogs symptoms. citric acid is fine other wise. |
11-17-2008, 01:56 PM | #5 |
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| well it's probably the food- like the last poster i'm furious vets prescribe crap. THE BEST ADVICE i can give you is to contact Susan Davis- she is a registered pet nutritionist and I think she has saved Layla's life. Layla has pancreatitis and her vet wanted her on that crap food they get paid to sell. I said no and contacted Susan and Layla is on a GREAT home made diet. Her website is askariel.com and i honestly think you should give it a try- it is 75 dollars for a one hour phone consult- you fill out a form when you order to say what your dog's health issues are- they email you with a few times that might work and you email back and say which one you can do and then you call her at that time and she is BEYOND helpful- she is specialized in dog nutrition- which ALL vets should be in my opinion. His tummy is probably making noise at night because it is empty- layla's does that- she used to throw up bile every morning- now before she goes to bed she gets some pro biotic yogurt with some baby food fruit- it has relaly helped- you shoudl try that. so DOES he have liver issues or no? if not- until you get the appoinemtn- put him on a diet of white rice and boiled chicken breast- it is easy on his tummy. If he is constipated- use pure canned pumpkin - NOT spiced- it really helps- Layla gets it as part of her diet Susan gave her and it keeps her poops great! (pumpkin works both ways- to dry up diarrhea and to help when they are plugged up) I can't say enough great things about Susan- and there are many memebrs on here who have used her and also say GREAT things. I think it will change your dogs life and you will notice within a week of his new diet a different dog. |
11-17-2008, 02:02 PM | #6 |
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| Has the vet done a bile acids test and a spec cPL to check liver function and to see if he has pancreatitis? A lot of those systems sound like pancreatitis or severe IBD. Was an intestinal biopsy done? With the liver enzymes up, a bile acids test should've been done to make sure there is no functioning issue. L/D canned food is not that bad and I would consider feeding it if it worked. Can you post his blood work results?
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11-18-2008, 06:14 AM | #7 |
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| If he really has liver issues, I would most definitely switch him back to canned l/d or put him on royal canin hepatic ls 14....If your baby has liver issues, the i/d is very bad for him. IBD, liver issues, GI issues all tie in together. My yorkie has liver problems as well, and he also has GI issues (gastritis and possible ulcers). Throwing up like that is not normal. When he threw up blood was it Frank blood or was it just pink? If it's frank blood, it's very likely that your baby has gastritis and possibly ulcers...Carafate is given to these dogs to help coat their stomachs. It should be given an hour before mealtime. The constipation is also a symptom of liver problems...If he acts sick when he's constipated it's probably because the toxins are backing up in his system...Lactulose is given to liver compromised dogs as well...
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11-19-2008, 09:30 AM | #8 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: wilmington
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| Yes i will post his blood panels tonight when i get home. My vet can not honestly answer what harley has or does not have. Liver issues, yes, is it under control today; probably, we have done ultrasounds, chest xrays, blood panels, did he have hge?, yes we "think" so, probably under control now. I have contacted my vet again to get all records, xrays, and meds he has been on since he first got sick. He just had to get fluids last week. I have been studying this forum, i did get him the "wellness - duck/potatoe to try last night, he loved it, and had a normal bowel movement. This morning i treid the wellness whitefish/?, he ate it, we will see. I gave him some yougurt last night, he only licked the spoon a little, not real crazy about it. I bought the organic pumpkin yesterday. How do you feed this to them, with their other food? Or a certain amount by itself? How much? I also bought a book on natural health for dog and cats. I will try anything to get my baby normal - thanks for your help |
11-19-2008, 09:34 AM | #9 |
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| The bad thing is he has been switched back and forth between i/d and l/d and now purina o/m- i am done with all of these, he has been sick since he began the hills diet. I am looking at other solutions. I dont know i am going to do yet. |
11-19-2008, 09:49 AM | #10 |
Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island
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| I think you need to pick a food and stick with that one, b/c all these different foods given on any given day can cause an upset. When you get his bloodwork post it here so we can take a look and try to guide you with the 'right' direction. Yorkieluv is probably the MOST experienced with all of this, so I would go by her advice |
11-19-2008, 11:11 AM | #11 |
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| My Yorkie recently got dx with a liver shunt. She had alot of the symptoms of your Yorkie. Her liver ezymes (sp?) were very high. Had a bile acid test done. It was abnormal. Vet indicated she may have a liver shunt. Took her to a Board Certified Radiologist, who did an ultrasound. He confirm a liver shunt. Fortunately, the type of liver shunt she had, can be corrected by surgery. We just can not afford it right now. In the meantime, she is on a low protein diet. Hills K/D. Sorry i didn't read all the replies. Have you had your vet do a bile acid test? That is the first step of liver shunt. GOod luck. |
11-19-2008, 11:22 AM | #12 | |
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P.S. I believe K/D is BAD to be feeding a Liver Shunt dog. Others will chime in soon, but I think it may have Pork Liver in it and that is VERY HARMFUL to be feeding an LS dog. Hills canned l/d or royal canin hepatic ls 14 is BEST for LS dogs I would really hate for you to be doing more damage to her liver by stressing it with the wrong food. Please join this group: DogLiverDisease : Dog Liver Disease They are very experienced with LS dogs and they have a great support system and a wealth of knowledge to guide you to help your baby! | |
11-19-2008, 11:42 AM | #13 | |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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She is on supplement until surgery can be done, right? Low protein is a good idea but the type of protein is also very important. K/D contains the wrong kind of protein (pork). Both K/D and L/D dry contain ethoxyquin. I wouldn't give either. As Nicole said, L/D canned and Royal Canin LS 14 are the best. Royal Canin tends to make Yorkies itchy. I would try the L/D canned first. A lot of vets don't know much about dietary management of LS evidently because they grab the K/D (probably because they see it is low protein) without studying the ingredients.
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11-19-2008, 12:23 PM | #14 |
♥ love my girls!! ♥ Donating Member | Crystal, What is the protien source in the canned L/D? Still awaiting the results of my baby's bile acids, but beginning to plan a diet change with supplements if they are abnormal, which I suspect. Thanks! (I know you home cook, and I'm thinking of doing that....do you cook every day or do you make up a batch every now and again? Just trying to find what will work best consistently for us....what do you think of NV fish and potato?? I'm not sure what proteins are ok and which ones need to be avoided...)
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11-19-2008, 12:37 PM | #15 |
♥ love my girls!! ♥ Donating Member | I think I just answered (part of) my own question: Canned: l/d® Canine Dry: l/d® Canine I guess the major protein source is dried egg and soy?? (Also, looks like the dry contains "Pork Protein Isolate" whatever that is, but I don't see ethyoxyquin in the ingredients....should it be there or do we just know it's there?) Lots of other ingredients I don't like though....I guess I'd need to home cook. If you don't mind, would you tell me a little about that...like what protein you use in home-cooking, etc...?
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