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livingdustmops · 03-07-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Is IAMS manufactored by Mars?

I was responding to your thread that encouraged animal testing on food and Iams is just one company who also does it.

Nancy1999 · 03-07-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I was responding to your thread that encouraged animal testing on food and Iams is just one company who also does it.

I had a thread that "encouraged" animal testing?

livingdustmops · 03-07-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I agree with this, and I wish people would be against inhumane testing instead of animal testing. What wrong with finding a dog food that really does reduce the incidence of bladder stones in dogs? I mean actual proof that it does this. Mars isn't giving the dogs bladder stones, they are testing dogs that have already developed stones, and Mars is testing a variety of diets on these dogs to see if certain things lessen the probability of stones reoccurring. I applaud companies who do responsible animal testing.

I would love to see the list of companies that does responsible animal testing that is humane.

Nancy1999 · 03-07-2010, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I would love to see the list of companies that does responsible animal testing that is humane.

Me too! The problem is that some people think it's inhumane to ever keep an animal in a kennel or cage. By the way, people always want a list of companies that don't do any testing, but I think this is even unfair. A new company can come along and use the same ingredients as an old company that did the inhumane testing, and say "we don't test" but they took the formula from a company that did. I hope animal rights groups will inform us of the truth, but sometimes in their zeal to protect animals, they exaggerate and mislead, which makes others believe that they no longer can be trusted to keep us informed of the truth. This video is so misleading that it makes me not trust the company that put it out.

livingdustmops · 03-07-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Me too! The problem is that some people think it's inhumane to ever keep an animal in a kennel or cage. By the way, people always want a list of companies that don't do any testing, but I think this is even unfair. A new company can come along and use the same ingredients as an old company that did the inhumane testing, and say "we don't test" but they took the formula from a company that did. I hope animal rights groups will inform us of the truth, but sometimes in their zeal to protect animals, they exaggerate and mislead, which makes others believe that they no longer can be trusted to keep us informed of the truth. This video is so misleading that it makes me not trust the company that put it out.

I am one of those who thinks it is inhumane to keep an animal in a kennel for its entire life. Those video's are real..one way or another...

You can elect to look the other way based on this video that is your choice but when I look at the vets they own (Banfield) the dog food they make and the Mars Wisdom Panel to justify a mixed dog then all I see is dollar signs for Mars. If you can justify these, then go for it.

MaddieBoo · 03-07-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Me too! The problem is that some people think it's inhumane to ever keep an animal in a kennel or cage. By the way, people always want a list of companies that don't do any testing, but I think this is even unfair. A new company can come along and use the same ingredients as an old company that did the inhumane testing, and say "we don't test" but they took the formula from a company that did. I hope animal rights groups will inform us of the truth, but sometimes in their zeal to protect animals, they exaggerate and mislead, which makes others believe that they no longer can be trusted to keep us informed of the truth. This video is so misleading that it makes me not trust the company that put it out.

Very good post. They are trying to make people aware, but using exaggeration to shock and create attention can undermine their goal. I did not watch the videos but I will do my own research into the company and make my own informed decision. So thank you, OP for bringing the issue to light.

On another note, it is very easy to find websites that support any side of any argument. There are very few ".com" website that are of any educational value whatsoever. Researching journal articles and scholarly databases are the only way to ensure the information you are getting is whole, and peer reviewed.

Nancy1999 · 03-07-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I am one of those who thinks it is inhumane to keep an animal in a kennel for its entire life. Those video's are real..one way or another...

You can elect to look the other way based on this video that is your choice but when I look at the vets they own (Banfield) the dog food they make and the Mars Wisdom Panel to justify a mixed dog then all I see is dollar signs for Mars. If you can justify these, then go for it.

Ok, now this is starting to sound like a Biewer controversy, isn't the Mar Wisdom Panel something to do with Biewers?

livingdustmops · 03-07-2010, 11:41 AM

Read post 1....I said I was doing research.

Now go here and explain this...

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...sts-these.html

Do you really think this is okay?

Nancy1999 · 03-07-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Read post 1....I said I was doing research.

Now go here and explain this...

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...sts-these.html

Do you really think this is okay?

I'm not sure what you mean by "Is this okay?" Do you mean breeders who are misleading people by saying:

"TESTED FOR THE MUTATED GENES THAT CAN PRODUCE 30 GENETICALLY PASSED DISEASES AND WERE FOUND TO BE
CLEAR OF THE MUTATED GENES."

No I don't think that is okay because it is VERY misleading. I'm not against the MARS testing though, I do think in the future the DNA research could be very informative, and the tests don't hurt the dogs in any way, and it does add to our scientific knowledge. However, some people will always try to reach premature conclusions, and we have to be able to understand what the SCIENTISTS are saying not the special interest groups.

mommadog1 · 03-07-2010, 03:28 PM

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Your facts seem to get a little cloudy and you really have a problem with people who do not agree with you...you always say people are attacking you..but here is a fact...I never said anything to you about Royal Cain.

You have been breeding for 35 years and you don’t know what tests to give to the breeding parents?

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...-breeding.html

Here is a thread you don’t know dogs have IBD

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...t-so-much.html

You didn’t know Yorkies should be kept with their moms until 12 weeks either

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...identally.html

You feed your puppies adult food – I didn’t respond on this thread

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...dult-food.html

Here is your Royal Cain thread and I never posted on it…but I will admit it is interesting that you have been studying food but not what tests should be given to your breeding pair or that dogs get IBD or what age to sell dogs

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...n-yorkies.html

But you certainly could go on and on about tail docking

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...ocking-29.html

I have a real problem with people who take bits and pieces of what people say and then use it against them. If you had read the complete threads you would know a lot more then you now think you know about me.

I do not breed yorkies, never have!!! But I am working towards doing so, so I have asked some questions in regards to that. ANd I wanted to know what tests should be done on yorkies. Testing on all breeds is not always the same tests. I think it would be a good thing i asked..

my2boyz · 03-07-2010, 04:23 PM

How can anyone come to this forum and say they love animals yet think any kind of animal testing is o.k?

Nancy1999 · 03-07-2010, 05:15 PM

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How can anyone come to this forum and say they love animals yet think any kind of animal testing is o.k?

Do you really want to use a dog food that has never been tested? Your dog will be the guinea pig. I really object when people put this on a personal level and say because I believe in animal testing, I don't love animals. I'll bet there isn't a product out there that hasn't been tested in some way on animals. I think comments such as yours divide us instead of unifying us. In the past, there has been some outrageous testing on animals; I'm totally against this, and I believe we have come a long way. We now have computer models that can do much of the testing, but not in every case. I do want to know what outrageous unnecessary testing is happening now and try and end that, but I'm not so sure I can trust the groups who might report it, it's like the story of the boy who cried wolf so much, no one believed him. Also, you really have to have a stong science background to understand why some testing is necessary. Every drug we have has been tested on animals first; do you think we should test a new cancer drug on humans first? I think almost every member of yorkietalk loves animals, but I believe in humane testing, even of humans. I not only think it is ok, I believe it is necessary.

my2boyz · 03-07-2010, 05:27 PM

I'm not trying to divide...just trying to understand so please be careful with your choice of words.

And by the way...they do test cancer drugs on humans...they call it trials or studies.

Nancy1999 · 03-07-2010, 05:34 PM

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I'm not trying to divide...just trying to understand so please be careful with your choice of words.

And by the way...they do test cancer drugs on humans...they call it trials or studies.

You just said this,
"How can anyone come to this forum and say they love animals yet think any kind of animal testing is o.k?" and are telling ME to be careful with my choice of words? FYI, long before they test on humans they have tested on animals, human studies are last.

my2boyz · 03-07-2010, 05:52 PM

Nancy...I didn't come into this thread to divide as you say or to be chewed on by you...I simply stated something that I don't understand and wanted an explanation so please lighten up and educate instead of lecture.

I don't even want to get into a cancer drug discussion with anyone right now so lets drop that one please.

03-07-2010, 11:41 AM	#38
livingdustmops Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,728	Read post 1....I said I was doing research. Now go here and explain this... http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...sts-these.html Do you really think this is okay? __________________ Cindy & The Rescued Gang Puppies Are Not Products!

03-07-2010, 05:27 PM	#43
my2boyz Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my house :) Posts: 5,219	I'm not trying to divide...just trying to understand so please be careful with your choice of words. And by the way...they do test cancer drugs on humans...they call it trials or studies. Last edited by my2boyz; 03-07-2010 at 05:28 PM.

03-07-2010, 04:23 PM	#41
my2boyz Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my house :) Posts: 5,219	How can anyone come to this forum and say they love animals yet think *any* kind of animal testing is o.k?

03-07-2010, 05:52 PM	#45
my2boyz Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my house :) Posts: 5,219	Nancy...I didn't come into this thread to divide as you say or to be chewed on by you...I simply stated something that I don't understand and wanted an explanation so please lighten up and educate instead of lecture. I don't even want to get into a cancer drug discussion with anyone right now so lets drop that one please.