Am I being Unfair? (Warning: Graphic Pics)

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by SCramer

I totally agree with you! The problem is people think that just anybody can repair the damage done by these breeders and owners! Which couldnt be any further than the truth! If someone owns a pitbull or any dog for that matter, the dog gets out and attacks someone, that should put up a red flag! First of all a responsible pet owner wont let their dog run at large! I realize sometimes dogs escape! Second of all a responsible pet owner would not own a dog or teach a dog to attack! Its not the dogs fault.............where do you draw the line, and where do you take your dog when he attacks your neighbor? To obedience school, might help, but most obedience training schools do not allow aggressive dogs! These dogs have to be worked with on a DAILY basis! FOR LIFE! Not just anyone can teach a dog not to be aggressive! Remember this is a learned behavior, only a professional can teach an owner to teach the pet to learn a new behavior! The learning process is daily for life, your pet will never forget this past behavior it will only learn new behaviors, and as long as you are there everyday to keep the new behavior a daily way of life, will your pet be a loving pet!

Yes, not only learned but bred into the dogs which is even more dangerous. The real issue is that there are so many dogs that have been bred for their aggressive behavior how do you determine one to another after they have bitten someone?

I work in the OR and know the damage that can be done with dog bites. It is not pretty and actually I would classify it as disturbing. We have domesticated dogs and then there are those that have turned that into something that had become dangerous to many.

As I said way at the very beginning of this thread. The owners of these dogs ALL seem to be irresponsible in their ownership. Having a pet should be a privilege and not a right. Taking that one step even further breeding should only be done for betterment of the breed and not atrocities such as dog fighting!

[SCramer]

Thank you for the positive responses to my post! I have seen the worst of the worst, belive me, I am an animal lover, I try and place and save as many animals as I can! I have been to animal behavioral school and I am certified to evaluate dogs for aggression! Belive me there are some dogs I wouldnt place with a professional, because I myself have to decide in my mind that this dog will not attack, even a professional, it happens, if I do place an aggressive dog and God forbid it attacks someone I am not doing my job the best thing for the safety and well being for everyone is to euthanize the dog! I am sorry I am a firm on this I have seen way to many injuries and even death from dogs that got a second chance. Let me put it to you this way I just did a call where a 55 year old woman who worked for the Sheriffs Dept was out walking her dog, she saw some stray pit bulls, so she picked up her dog that she had for 12 years, the pitbulls grabbed the dog out of her grasp and proceeded to tear the little thing to pieces right in front her, now where are the rights for this little dog to live the rest of its life happily with its owner! The owner was so devastated she quit her job and moved away! Where are her rights, give the dogs a second chance.......so they can destroy someone elses life! Yeah Right!

[Yorkiekids]

I don't think your feelings are unfounded at all. There's a show on TV called
Pitbulls and paroles. I have no idea how you can get hold of them, but they have an awesome program where they take in pit bulls that have bitten people or done something else wrong. The paroles have the job to rehabilitate one dog at a time. If they do a good job their parole is slightly shorther then it would be, and if they fail, and don't do a good job someone else is assigned the job, and the parole goes back to jail. It's amazing how hard they work, and how many of them go to good homes with no more problems. I guess I'm a little partial to pitbulls. I use to breed them for a living, but stopped when I saw the type of people that were coming to buy them. I usually sold them starting at 500, and people that look like they just came out of the sewer would offer me 50. I knew what they wanted the dogs for, and I wouldn't sell them. I did a through background check on the people, and had my pits tested well before they were breed, and did every other test that was out there to ensure I'd be breeding a good dog. I hope everyone doesn't get mad at me for my input, but I'm sharing my opinion.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Yorkiekids

I don't think your feelings are unfounded at all. There's a show on TV called
Pitbulls and paroles. I have no idea how you can get hold of them, but they have an awesome program where they take in pit bulls that have bitten people or done something else wrong. The paroles have the job to rehabilitate one dog at a time. If they do a good job their parole is slightly shorther then it would be, and if they fail, and don't do a good job someone else is assigned the job, and the parole goes back to jail. It's amazing how hard they work, and how many of them go to good homes with no more problems. I guess I'm a little partial to pitbulls. I use to breed them for a living, but stopped when I saw the type of people that were coming to buy them. I usually sold them starting at 500, and people that look like they just came out of the sewer would offer me 50. I knew what they wanted the dogs for, and I wouldn't sell them. I did a through background check on the people, and had my pits tested well before they were breed, and did every other test that was out there to ensure I'd be breeding a good dog. I hope everyone doesn't get mad at me for my input, but I'm sharing my opinion.

You pretty much have backed up what i was saying as well. Reputable breeders take are with what they breed, who they sell to and make sure that their dogs are going on to a safe and loving home. I would not blame you one bit for decided to stop breeding when you saw the costumers that were inquiring about you pups. It was the responsible thing to do so that you did not enable this type of behaviors to continue at the expense of the offspring of your breeding program.

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by LaceyandMuffin

I am shocked by some post on this topic but not really. I believe all dogs have a right to a second chance. Who are we to not grant a second chance when we've all at least once been given a second chance. I am especially upset what the fact that in your post you would say that there are a lot of good dogs in pounds so we should kill the bad. If only we could apply that to humans... I am sickened that you think that way. I hope these dogs find themselves in a home that can provide the love and training they need.

Also for the person who posted the muzzled dog. Why don't you show the death rate from other dogs and make your findings more legit.

For the original poster I am sorry you and your son had to go through this. I am glad you found a home for your dog.

Ummm...probably because this thread & my post were in keeping with the subject..."PITBULLS".

Seeing a child needlessly mauled by a Pitbull or seeing a "muzzled" Pitbull...I'll glady view the latter.

When & if you decide to return to post on YT, please bear in mind that you are always guaranteed to read other opinions here that may or may not be to your liking.

Learning to appreciate opinions other than your own is a valuable tool to posting.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

I am sorry, but if you are professional athelete, you are a role model, like it or not, Kids look up to you so you better live your life a little more like those that toe the line...If you do not remember, Vick raised DOGS to fight and if they did not they were killed!!!!

I agree, they ARE viewed as role models (by some) like it or not. But their notarity came as result of their success in the sport they play, not the personal lives they lead. It's the bored general public that decides that it's not enough--that their personal lives need to be put under a microscope as well. Despite what Tiger has done, it doesn't change the fact that he is still a golf phenom. If people can't draw a line between their performance on the green, or football field, or movie screen, then it sounds like they have some issues of their own they need to sort out.
It's like saying that what happened to Princess Diana was her own fault because she was a public figure and 'it just comes with the territory.'
And yes, I remember what Vick did...point? I don't think anyone will ever be able to forget that!

Originally Posted by BaxtersMommy

IF (and a big IF) I had kids I would teach them that their role models are their parents, their teachers, police officers, fireman, Animal rescues, chairtie workers, etc. Kids can be in awe of an athlete or rockstar, but they should be taught the difference. (just my tid bit)

Exactly! Parents should take a proactive role in making sure their kids know the difference instead of sitting around and waiting for celebs to screw up so that they can be dissapointed.

[LaceyandMuffin]

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure

Ummm...probably because this thread & my post were in keeping with the subject..."PITBULLS".

Seeing a child needlessly mauled by a Pitbull or seeing a "muzzled" Pitbull...I'll glady view the latter.

When & if you decide to return to post on YT, please bear in mind that you are always guaranteed to read other opinions here that may or may not be to your liking.

Learning to appreciate opinions other than your own is a valuable tool to posting.

Oh dear, maybe before you quote me in red you should really quote me. I said I was done with the post because it fell on opinions and nothing else. But I suppose you were just not quick enough to understand that. Also how areyou respecting my opinion with your little post right now? I have chosen and honestly after this you and scramer can continue to misquote me because I need to seperate myself from THIS post. I decided to leave the topic behind because at this point I think Scramer is stepping over the boundaries of her job and she should stop before she winds up fired. The internet allows all to see. Before I again get attacked or mis quoted I am stating her boss or pissed of dog owners may read her posts. That is all I am not saying I am trying to turn her in. So please the next time you try and quote me get your facts straight and make some kind of actual point.

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by LaceyandMuffin

Oh dear, maybe before you quote me in red you should really quote me. I said I was done with the post because it fell on opinions and nothing else. But I suppose you were just not quick enough to understand that. Also how areyou respecting my opinion with your little post right now? I have chosen and honestly after this you and scramer can continue to misquote me because I need to seperate myself from THIS post. I decided to leave the topic behind because at this point I think Scramer is stepping over the boundaries of her job and she should stop before she winds up fired. The internet allows all to see. Before I again get attacked or mis quoted I am stating her boss or pissed of dog owners may read her posts. That is all I am not saying I am trying to turn her in. So please the next time you try and quote me get your facts straight and make some kind of actual point.

Thank you LaceyandMuffin for your apology via PM...