And You Wonder!

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

This should be posted where it will do the most good, in the Breeder's section!
It's very sad to think so many wonderful dogs are put to death each year
because they have no homes. Makes me sick to my stomach. That's why
I can't understand the need to continue breeding, any breed, yearly!
Makes no sence. There are so many Oct litter's being born right here on YT.
They should read these stastistics. So many arguments get started over
breeding and it's easy to understand why. You argue on one thread then
move to another and read about all the litter's awaiting to be born
It's a vicious cycle.

I thought long and hard where to publish this and the breeder section was not the place because the majority of people who go there have already made up their mind and more puppies are born from people who don't have a clue. I also thought about the name of the thread but I have over the years published this type of information and very few people will even open the thread...so I named it something to make people at least open the thread.

The major of people who read this don't even post their thoughts...but put a cute little dress out there and everyone goes crazy. It makes me sick what goes on and on and on and on. I sit and watch BYB breeders here on YT being talked about like God's gift to the puppy world. I have watched people talk about admiring people who do this for a living..and many breeders that come here do it to sell their products. I have watched members talk about some breeders here as reputable when in fact these people are scum of the earth and their dogs live in filth...but they are members so don't attack their breeding practices. I have seen breeders here make a bad placement and then take the dog back and then resell it as a rescue...THAT IS NOT A RESCUE! I have watched members here talk up other members of a club and say they did wonderful things with rescue and that other member was breeding designer dogs and had never done a real rescue in their lives. This is not about the dogs but selling more dogs.

Now I don't want anyone to think that I hate all breeders...I DON'T...in fact I sit on a board of a Biewer club. I believe in reputable breeders and who believe in doing what is right by their breed and their dogs.

[capt_noonie]

Great thread. People need to realize.

And why is it when someone tells the truth to a greeder that it is an attack? And they say "why can't you just help me?" Uh, they ARE helping you, you're just not listening.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by yorkiejunkie

Well said...I really wish this thread had been named differently, so certain individuals thinking of breeding would be drawn in to see the stats, before they become the stats!
That said, I would rather have help available (to them), than to have dogs suffer or die needlessly, once they are already bred. IMO

I hope everyone who reads this saves the stat's and publishes them when someone says I want to breed my 4 year old Yorkies, or my blind dog...

No one has said they won't help people when they come here but with the help should come some lecture...sorry but these people didn't care about their dogs when they got them pregnant so what makes you think they really care about them now...or are they afraid of losing the profit. The bottom line is no one here is a vet (to my kowledge) and most of the situations could be rushed to a vet but it is cheaper to ask people here online. I admire long time breeders who step in and give advise but in many cases if people really cared about their dogs, did the research etc etc etc they would know to rush the dogs/puppies to a vet.

Yesterday was very upsetting to many of us..because this girl had puppies we all thought were dying but she didn't want to spend the $$$ to go to the vet. I do not understand how anyone thought that was okay. PERIOD! If any member walked in on someone trying to kill a dog they would have been outraged but it was okay yesterday? I still will never understand why people put a person's feelings over animals dying because she wouldn't spend the money.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

This is exactly what I get so angry about~ For every person that comes on YT to ask for breeding ideas or whatever that are dogs being put to sleep all over this country. I had said it before and I will say it once again. IMO it is not a right or need to breed, it should be something that is well thought out and planned. You need to know what you are doing and need if you don't leave it to the professional breeders who are breeding to better the breed. Just because you own a cut little yorkie does not give you the right to breed.

Sure there are lots of mixed breed dogs in the shelters but there are also plenty of pure bred as well. There are yorkies in shelters as well. They might not all be 4 lbs with a gorgeous flowing coat but who's fault is that anyway................all of the irresponsible breeders that are making puppies not knowing what the heck they are doing or puppymills who are breeding sick dogs. Isn't it too late when they come here and already have a pregnant yorkie who is in labor and they don't know what to do, are in a panic and instead of calling their MENTOR or better yet their VET. Instead they are looking for new friends to walk then through how to birth puppies I'm sorry this is irresponsible behavior no matter how you slice it up.

I stay away from the Breeder Forum because it just makes me want to cry. Some might think it is cute and fun to watch all of the puppies being born from many of these people who do not know what they are doing but to me all it adds up to is another possible statistic. If these same people who are looking for quick free advice have a litter of puppies that are sick are they going to know what to do? Are they prepared for emergencies where the mom cannot or will not take care of the puppies? Are they prepared to take time off work to hand feed and play surgote momma to a litter? What happens if the mom dies from giving birth? Are they prepared? I have seen all of these things happen and it blows my mind! Most of the time I say NOTHING and will not even open those type of posts because I just might say something that I will regret later or even get me bounced off here again. But occasionally, I get pulled in not knowing what is really going on trying to help someone in need.

Here are a few off the top of my head that I have been pulled into

1. My Yorkies are "In Love" and needed each other and I think she is pregnant. This heat can our of NOWHERE, I was meaning to get her spayed but never got around to in in the past 6 months
2. My breeder pal is giving away a bunch of UNALTERED yorkies Want one? BTW they haven't seen a vet in years and live in a shed
3. I don't want to get my 1 1/2 yr old dogs extra teeth removed. She's fine I give her a breath mint
4. I am a breeder this puppy is he really is not mine someone "gave" him to me. He can't walk or stand..........anyone want him
5. This is also my favorite classic...........My female is 1 1/2 and this is her second litter of puppies, I'm not a BYBer so I really need some help.
6. Everyone tells me that (fill in the name) is gorgeous, I bought her from Petland and I want to have a litter of puppies.
7. I found a yorkie in the trash can and she is pregnant with a Rottie

Hmmmm.......wonder why I get so upset

Then from the rescue end we have:
1. He is 13 sick and I don't want him any more. I'm getting a puppy next week and don't think this will work out between the two.
2. I wanted a 4 lb Yorkie and he is now 12.
3. My yorkie pees on the carpet he needs to go
4. Pregnant yorkie found on side of road, not sure who the daddy is and the owner say they are sick and tired of that stupid dog getting out. You keep her!
5. I didn't know I couldn't have a dog in my apartment
6. I just had a baby so we need to get rid of her

Now put all of this together and see through my eyes why I get so upset.

Jodi, this is very well said. You read my mind and my heart. I am like you. I try to stay away from the Breeders section because they are the professionals and I respect that, but something needs to be done about BYB, Puppy mills and irresponsible breeding. Thank you Jodi..

[Nancy1999]

I guess it always amazes me when people aren't' aware of this, the HSUS and the AKC spend a good portion of their funds on education, but it still seems like the average person seems to have so little understanding of how many dogs die each year, and why it's so important that we only breed the best. We have plenty of gorgeous pets already out there. You want a one of a kind rare dog? Go to the pound or rescue, there are some real rarities there, and many are very beautiful. It kills me when people defend breeding pet quality dogs when rescues can't find homes for all of them, and I know that good breeders are putting the breaks on their breeding program because of the economy, yet a poor economy, seems to encourage byb's to breed as they want to suppliment their income. This is the major reason I encourage people to only support those breeders who are breeding to standard, and are really doing what's right for the breed. I think one of the problems is that people expect to pay too little for a pet, and the competition makes them cheaper and cheaper, while unscrupulous breeders breed out of standard dogs, and claim they are rare, so they can get big bucks.

[ARCHIE]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

Jodi, this is very well said. You read my mind and my heart. I am like you. I try to stay away from the Breeders section because they are the professionals and I respect that, but something needs to be done about BYB, Puppy mills and irresponsible breeding. Thank you Jodi..

They are not ALL professionals. First timers, second timers, asking
what to do, how to do it, when to do it etc. That is why I suggested
posting this info there. Don't be fooled by the Breeder section.
Anyone expecting a litter is considered a breeder it seems.
I wish them all well of course but I can't understand why?

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

Great thread. People need to realize.

And why is it when someone tells the truth to a greeder that it is an attack? And they say "why can't you just help me?" Uh, they ARE helping you, you're just not listening.

Very well said..

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Yesterday was very upsetting to many of us..because this girl had puppies we all thought were dying but she didn't want to spend the $$$ to go to the vet. I do not understand how anyone thought that was okay. PERIOD! If any member walked in on someone trying to kill a dog they would have been outraged but it was okay yesterday? I still will never understand why people put a person's feelings over animals dying because she wouldn't spend the money.

What really got my goat was how people were attacking rescue people..my god they are the only ones between life and death in many cases for these dogs. They are the ones that do not make any kind of profit from the dogs and they open their wallets and their hearts to be broken day after day. They pick up the pieces and yes sometimes they have a tough way of saying things but they should...they have seen the cruel things done to little yorkies over and over again.

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I hope everyone who reads this saves the stat's and publishes them when someone says I want to breed my 4 year old Yorkies, or my blind dog...

No one has said they won't help people when they come here but with the help should come some lecture...sorry but these people didn't care about their dogs when they got them pregnant so what makes you think they really care about them now...or are they afraid of losing the profit. The bottom line is no one here is a vet (to my kowledge) and most of the situations could be rushed to a vet but it is cheaper to ask people here online. I admire long time breeders who step in and give advise but in many cases if people really cared about their dogs, did the research etc etc etc they would know to rush the dogs/puppies to a vet.

Yesterday was very upsetting to many of us..because this girl had puppies we all thought were dying but she didn't want to spend the $$$ to go to the vet. I do not understand how anyone thought that was okay. PERIOD! If any member walked in on someone trying to kill a dog they would have been outraged but it was okay yesterday? I still will never understand why people put a person's feelings over animals dying because she wouldn't spend the money.

You are so right. I understand what YT is for, but I dont understand when people come on here looking for advice on what to do after the fact everything has been done.. Well maybe you should have researched what you were doing before you got your dog preggers. I think breeding is a very serious subject and should not be taken lightly. I cant even stand when I see threads about people's dogs throwing up for days or pooping blood...How are they going to come on here and get advice for that??? Here is your advice TAKE YOUR DOG TO THE VET! I cant stand reading those threads. And you know what it will never stop, but at least we can be heard.

[TLC]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Sorry to say most people don't want to deal with this or imagine the horror of all of these pets dying. I think breeders should have to be certified and be limited in the number of litters they can have in a year and I think volume breeders have to be shut down.

YES ~ I agree 100%

The solution is NOT to kill, the solution is to STOP

[ARCHIE]

Originally Posted by TLC

YES ~ I agree 100%

The solution is NOT to kill, the solution is to STOP

From your mouth to the government's ear's

[manolos mom]

[QUOTE=livingdustmops;2820330]I thought long and hard where to publish this and the breeder section was not the place because the majority of people who go there have already made up their mind and more puppies are born from people who don't have a clue. I also thought about the name of the thread but I have over the years published this type of information and very few people will even open the thread...so I named it something to make people at least open the thread.

The major of people who read this don't even post their thoughts...but put a cute little dress out there and everyone goes crazy. It makes me sick what goes on and on and on and on. I sit and watch BYB breeders here on YT being talked about like God's gift to the puppy world. I have watched people talk about admiring people who do this for a living..and many breeders that come here do it to sell their products. I have watched members talk about some breeders here as reputable when in fact these people are scum of the earth and their dogs live in filth...but they are members so don't attack their breeding practices. I have seen breeders here make a bad placement and then take the dog back and then resell it as a rescue...THAT IS NOT A RESCUE! I have watched members here talk up other members of a club and say they did wonderful things with rescue and that other member was breeding designer dogs and had never done a real rescue in their lives. This is not about the dogs but selling more dogs.

Now I don't want anyone to think that I hate all breeders...I DON'T...in fact I sit on a board of a Biewer club. I believe in reputable breeders and who believe in doing what is right by their breed and their dogs.[/QUOTE]Cindy, I had the pleasure of meeting some of the BEST Breeders in our Country at the Dallas Show 2 weeks ago. I was so impressed with Mardelin,Tegamom1,Brooklynn and a very special lady Mary,(Mardelin) Mother. These are very professional Women that love this breed and only want to better this breed. When they speak, I listen.

[TLC]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

From your mouth to the government's ear's

I know...This whole thing is such a joke It still blows my mind that we have commercial and they can be clean or dirty kennels here in the USA. And the dog auctions, that one is incredible, I can't believe this is legal in the USA. What a crock...

It all makes me sick.

The Rescue people have my 110% support and respect. They have seen the worst of the worst and they are the ONLY people that give a dam, they are the ONLY people willing to go the extra mile, they are the ONLY people that cry when they can't save the one....

The bickering on YT makes me upset, but honestly, I feel all this non-sense breeding has to stop. I wish people would just love their pets as they should and really STOP this endless cycle

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by TLC

I know...This whole thing is such a joke It still blows my mind that we have commercial and they can be clean or dirty kennels here in the USA. And the dog auctions, that one is incredible, I can't believe this is legal in the USA. What a crock...

It all makes me sick.

The Rescue people have my 110% support and respect. They have seen the worst of the worst and they are the ONLY people that give a dam, they are the ONLY people willing to go the extra mile, they are the ONLY people that cry when they can't save the one....

The bickering on YT makes me upset, but honestly, I feel all this non-sense breeding has to stop. I wish people would just love their pets as they should and really STOP this endless cycle

[Wylie's Mom]

I think you should post these stats or something similar EVERY WEEK, if not every day.

I know some of these stats by heart, bc the animal welfare movement IS a big piece OF my heart. But there may be so many people out there for whom the sheer extent of these stats is an unknown.

KEEP PUTTING THE MESSAGE OUT THERE.