Wow Is Akc Turning Into Ckc?

[KYBLUE]

WOW DOES IT REALLY MATTER ANYMORE WHAT Reg YOU SHOW In
I HAD A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE WHO HAS SHOWN MANY YEARS BROUGHT THIS TO MY ATTENTION I GUESS THE ORIGINAL FOUNDATION IS FALLING APART SO WHY WOULD IT MATTER ANYMORE WHAT YOU SHOW IN AND GET
CHAMPIONS WHY BOTHER TO PAY ALL THERE BIG MONEY

for the great championships when the end result is all the same
a champion is a champion weather it be akc or ukc etc





Purebred Alternative Listing/Indefinite Listing Privilege
Giving all purebred dogs a chance to compete

Note: A fee of $10 was instituted, effective January 1, 2003, for Purebred Alternative Listing/Indefinite Listing Privilege transfers or duplicate certificates. For more information contact PAL@akc.org.

The AKC, PAL/ILP and You
Many people have discovered the fun of teaming up with their dogs and competing in AKC Events. But, not all of those wonderful canine athletes that you see at these events are registered with the AKC. Some might be enrolled in the AKC's Purebred Alternative Listing/Indefinite Listing Privilege (PAL/ILP), a program that allows unregistered dogs of registrable breeds to compete in AKC Performance and Companion Events, also 41 specific breeds in the FSS® Program that are eligible for Companion Events.

If you have a purebred dog that cannot be registered with the AKC and have a desire to see what your dog can do in real competition, a PAL/ILP number is your ticket to the world of AKC events and clubs!

Purebred Alternative Listing/Indefinite Listing Privilege (PAL/ILP): The program that provides purebred dogs a second chance.
There are various reasons why a purebred dog might not be eligible for registration. The dog may be the product of an unregistered litter, or have unregistered parents. The dog's papers may have been withheld by its breeder or lost by its owner. Sometimes, it is the dog itself that was "lost." There are many dogs enrolled in the PAL/ILP program after they have been surrendered or abandoned, then adopted by new owners from animal shelters or purebred rescue groups. The PAL/ILP program allows the dog and owner a second chance at discovering the rewards of participating in AKC events.

What AKC events may a PAL/ILP dog Participate in?
The Purebred Alternative Listing Program/Indefinite Listing Privilege (PAL/ILP) is designed to allow dogs to participate in AKC Companion and Performance Events. The AKC Events that a PAL/ILP dog can participate in are:
Agility Trials (All Breeds)
Earthdog Trials (Small Terriers and Dachshunds)
Herding Tests and Trials ( Herding Breeds, Rottweilers and Samoyeds)
Hunt Tests (Most Sporting Breeds and Standard Poodles)
Junior Showmanship (All Breeds)
Lure Coursing (Sighthounds)
Obedience Trials (All Breeds)
Rally Trials (All Breeds)
Tracking Tests (All Breeds)
Once enrolled in the PAL/ILP program, entering AKC events is as easy as with a registrable dog. The only difference is that instead of an AKC registration number, you would list the dog's PAL/ILP number on the Entry form.

How can you apply for a PAL/ILP number?
Applications for enrollment into the Purebred Alternative Listing/Indefinite Listing Privilege can be downloaded or by emailing PAL@akc.org. When requesting a form via email please include your name and current mailing address. Remember, PAL/ILP numbers can only be issused to AKC registrable breeds.

The following must be submitted with a completed PAL/ILP application:
Two recent and clear color photographs of the dog;

one full front view showing the facial characteristics of the dog;

one view showing the full side profile of the dog standing on a flat surface (not grass).

(ALL PHOTOS SHOULD BE TAKEN AT EYE LEVEL IN A STANDING POSITION,
INCLUDE THE WHOLE DOG IN THE PHOTO. DO NOT SHOOT DOWN ON THE DOG.)



Proof from a veterinarian that the dog has been spayed/neutered.


A non-refundable $35.00 application fee.

[KYBLUE]

Conditional Registration



The AKC’s DNA programs have resulted in an unprecedented level of accuracy to the AKC registry by evaluating the parentage of many AKC dogs and litters. However, for that very small percentage of registered dogs that are found, often years after birth, to have an unknown ancestor, the AKC has canceled the registration.

To maintain genetic diversity, improve customer relations, and still maintain the accuracy of the registry, the Board of Directors approved the concept to allow the issuing of Conditional registration certificates and pedigrees, rather than canceling the registrations of a dog, all of its littermates and all of their progeny in these cases.

This concept was discussed at the September 2005 Delegate Meeting where AKC’s Consultant on DNA Science and Technology Dr. Elaine Ostrander recommended its implementation.

Below are the answers to some questions you may have. We welcome additional feedback at dna@akc.org.

Conditional Registration Certificate
Conditional Registration Pedigree

What is a Conditional Registration and Pedigree?
When unknown parentage is indicated via DNA testing, the status of the registration will be downgraded to “conditional” until a three generation pedigree is established. “Unknown” will be noted on the registration or pedigree for the ancestor in question. This will only occur in cases where the dogs are believed to be purebred, but a registered parent is found to be incorrect.

The documents will have a different colored border and will be clearly labeled as Conditional. Also, a new registration number will be issued so that people familiar with AKC registration numbers can tell at a glance that the registration is different. For example, a dog initially registered as TN123456/01 would be registered with Conditional registration as QT123456/01. Thus, these dogs will be clearly noted as Conditional by their registration number, similar to the ‘Z’ used in the registration number for descendants of white Doberman Pinschers. In addition, the word “Conditional” will be boldly stated on the registration certificate which will have a yellow border (compared to purple for standard registrations or orange for limited).

Why is this measure being adopted?
AKC continues to collect a rapidly growing number of DNA samples. By the close of 2006, the AKC had more than 425,000 DNA profiles from 196 AKC and FSS breeds in its database.

With our Frequently Used Sires requirement, many dogs are DNA profiled when they are three or four years old and have sired seven or more litters. AKC evaluates their parentage, and if incorrect parentage is found, it is sometimes not possible to determine the correct parentage of the litter because a potential sire is deceased or unable to be located. Currently, in these cases the registrations of the litter and its members and their offspring are canceled. A single case of an unknown sire can result in the cancellation of hundreds of AKC registrations. The negative reaction, especially from owners who registered their dog with AKC only to later have it canceled, is very damaging to AKC’s image.

Again, it is important to note that Conditional registration is only to be issued in cases where the dog appears and is believed to be purebred – it is just that one of the dog’s ancestors is unknown.

Why are Conditional Pedigrees considered the solution?
The AKC Board, staff, and Dr. Elaine Ostrander (consultant to AKC on DNA science and technology issues) have carefully and thoroughly considered this issue, weighing the benefits and drawbacks to various solutions.

In her September 2005 address to the Delegate Body, Dr. Ostrander recommended that AKC adopt this solution to allow for informed breeder decisions while maintaining a large population for genetic diversity.

The conclusion reached by all is that totally removing purebred dogs from the gene pool may not be the best thing for the breed populations or for AKC’s relationship with dog owners. By fully disclosing the incident of unknown parentage, breeders and dog owners can make their own, informed opinions about whether or not they will buy or breed a certain dog.

Will the registrations ever revert to Full?
Current policy for introducing breeds into the AKC registry requires a three-generation pedigree on each dog. This policy will also apply to dogs when an "unknown" dog is found in its pedigree based on a failed DNA test. An individual dog's registration can be reverted to regular registration status with the completion of a DNA sample verifying parentage of that individual dog and confirming three generations of DNA-verified parentage. Returning to full registration after three generations of verified parentage is also in line with the acceptance of imported dogs with three-generation pedigrees from the country of origin.

Can these dogs be bred?
If both sire and dam have AKC DNA profiles, the litter may be registered. Litters already registered when the registration is converted will be changed to Conditional status.

What about event participation?
A dog with Conditional registration may participate in any event in which ILP dogs may participate. They may not participate in Conformation events or Field Trials, and titles previously earned in these events will be removed from the dog’s record. In the fourth generation of DNA-profiled parentage, the registration will revert to Full and the dog may participate in any AKC event.

Is the breeder penalized?
The discipline policies have not changed. When incorrect parentage is discovered via compulsory DNA programs, such as the Frequently Used Sires requirement or the Compliance Audit Program, the breeder is subject to a graduated schedule of penalties. When the DNA is on file on a voluntary basis, discipline is not applied.

What about dogs which are not purebred?
Conditional registration is only for dogs that appear to be purebred and had full AKC registration prior to the DNA exclusions being found. If the dogs in question do not appear to be purebred, an impure breeding complaint can be made to the Impure Breeding Committee, which will open an inquiry and take appropriate action.

Will the new mixed-breed DNA test be employed in determining Conditional status?
No. These new DNA tests are designed to determine the primary and secondary genetic heritage of mixed breed dogs, not to certify whether or not a dog is purebred. The AKC believes that the best way to determine parentage of a dog is still based on AKC’s long-standing DNA program and AKC does not intend to use these tests to evaluate a dog’s status as purebred. The AKC has long had procedures in place to deal with cases of impure breeding and will continue to use this method in dealing with any matters concerning the parentage of AKC registered dogs. AKC will, however, maintain positive contact with the laboratories offering breed identification testing, and may incorporate some of these techniques as a tool in registration inquiries in the future.

How will this affect the integrity of the AKC studbook?
A dog or bitch is listed in the AKC studbook after their first litter is registered. If a dog with Conditional registration (noted with the letter designation Q in the AKC registration number) appears in the studbook, it will help breeders quickly identify incomplete pedigrees. Having this tool will alert breeders that a Conditional dog has remained in its breed’s gene pool.

Will Conditional Litters be eligible for advertising in AKC’s Online Breeder Classifieds?
Yes, but the litter listing will note that the litter has Conditional registration, with a link for more information.

[katelin]

Wow. That is pretty shocking. And they require spay/neuter. Hmmm.

[Nancy1999]

I don't understand why you would think this is shocking. These dogs are listed under a different registry, called PAL, they won't be competing in confirmation shows. Many people would like their dogs to compete in other things like agility, and obediance.

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I don't understand why you would think this is shocking. These dogs are listed under a different registry, called PAL, they won't be competing in confirmation shows. Many people would like their dogs to compete in other things like agility, and obediance.

this has been around for a few years, I agree with Nancy its a total separate reg and theyre not judging quality/breeding of the dog theyre judging training and endurance.

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

this has been around for a few years, I agree with Nancy its a total separate reg and theyre not judging quality/breeding of the dog theyre judging training and endurance.

exactly. This has nothing to do with conformation...only purebred AKC registered dogs can participate in conformation. The above posted is only for agility, obedience, and other activities....not conformation. It's been around for years.

[candybaby]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

this has been around for a few years, I agree with Nancy its a total separate reg and theyre not judging quality/breeding of the dog theyre judging training and endurance.

[topknot]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

this has been around for a few years, I agree with Nancy its a total separate reg and theyre not judging quality/breeding of the dog theyre judging training and endurance.

I also agree with Nancy. This is seperate and allows others that have a well trained dog to participate in agility and others similar to those. It is not judging quality to them being close to the standard. Kudos! Hopefully it will allow pet owners to participate and become more aware and involved in the dog world competitions.
T.

[KYBLUE]

but they passed the bill to reg mixed dog's

do you think akc is so money hungry they are allowed to show within the akc show's i never thought akc would never allow mixede breed's period
i do understand tracking ob etc and yes i do believe everyone should have a fair chance but to allow them to reg the dog's even if it is conditional
by sending in a picture oh well times are changing and nothing is as it once was

[KYBLUE]

i do understand everone competeing that is a great thing

why do they not have seperate shows for this reg?
they allow the competion within the same show's
it just kinda shocked me yes it has been around for a while but i never thought they would allow mixed breeds to be reg .
and i do believe under the conditional reg they can be bred
even if they have special number the unsuspecting public does not know this

[topknot]

Originally Posted by KYBLUE

i do understand everone competeing that is a great thing

why do they not have seperate shows for this reg?
they allow the competion within the same show's
it just kinda shocked me yes it has been around for a while but i never thought they would allow mixed breeds to be reg .
and i do believe under the conditional reg they can be bred
even if they have special number the unsuspecting public does not know this

Right now if you go to an AKC shows, you will see confirmation going on in the larger areas and then to the sides you will see Agility, Rally, Obediance going on. So they have always been included in the AKC shows.
T.

[KYBLUE]

i guess i just never paid attention to the other rings when there
just what i was involved in

[JaLaYorkieGirl]

I guess the biggest reason that the allowance of mixed breeds dogs into those events does not bother me, is that they have to be altered to get a number to compete. I also think it is great that now a mixed breed rescue can share that bond with his/her handler. I think everyone should be able to have that fun and bond with their dogs.

Now I would not feel this way if they did not have to be altered, because I do not condone the mixing of breeds on purpose!

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by JaLaYorkieGirl

I guess the biggest reason that the allowance of mixed breeds dogs into those events does not bother me, is that they have to be altered to get a number to compete. I also think it is great that now a mixed breed rescue can share that bond with his/her handler. I think everyone should be able to have that fun and bond with their dogs.

Now I would not feel this way if they did not have to be altered, because I do not condone the mixing of breeds on purpose!

[topknot]

Originally Posted by JaLaYorkieGirl

I guess the biggest reason that the allowance of mixed breeds dogs into those events does not bother me, is that they have to be altered to get a number to compete. I also think it is great that now a mixed breed rescue can share that bond with his/her handler. I think everyone should be able to have that fun and bond with their dogs.

Now I would not feel this way if they did not have to be altered, because I do not condone the mixing of breeds on purpose!

I too agree! You said it so much better than I was trying to do. Thanks.
T.