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Old 11-01-2016, 08:41 PM   #1
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Omg Shock collars

I know this may be a frowned subject. I am going to get my yorkie, 13lbs, a shock collar. He zipped out the door when my husband opened it, over the weekend and almost got hit. He ripped out 2 toenails. Vet thought they could be broken toes, but he didn't feel any breaks. His stomach got road rash and his other back leg also. SHield is on antibiotics and pain meds.

I felt completely helpless as he ran away despite me yelling no, stay, cookies. I thought I was going to witness him getting ran over in front of my eyes. HE is usually good but every now and again, he bolts. So, I have always resisted getting a shock collar thinking they were cruel. I discussed it with the vet. WE both think it isn't cruel compared to what I almost witnessed. The dog is extremely lucky! He has the name Shield for a reason!

So, my question is, do any of you have experience with a shock collar on little dogs? Ones to buy? Thanks
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Old 11-01-2016, 08:58 PM   #2
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I think that there are a lot of bird dog trainers who are well educated and utilize shock collars for training purposes that are very beneficial for the long term development of the dog. However, I believe that one of the benefits of the shock collar is quick correction under direct supervision to stop certain behaviors without correlating the negative experience with anything else but the action the dog took. In this case, that doesn't sound applicable unless you are standing at your door watching like a hawk with your finger on the button.

I have heard of wireless fence systems which create a barrier and when the dog gets close to the invisible fence line it begins to beep a warning and then shocks them if they reach the barrier. Is that what you mean by chance? I am not opposed to those because they shock a dog instead of allowing said dog to get hit by a car or lost or injured outside the property etc but I do worry about dogs who enthusiastically bolt through the barrier, yelp in pain and then can't go back home cause again, they can't cross the barrier. Or whose batteries run out on the collar and then the invisible fence is gone. I had a yellow lab at my house this year for that reason right there, with her big ol body collar on that was doing nothing.

So again, no judgment at your desire to protect your beloved dog but I am hesitant to think that that idea will work very well. Have you guys tried a baby gate or any other physical barrier system? That might end up being the best option for you.
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Old 11-01-2016, 09:13 PM   #3
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Thanks for replying. I am not sure if I could use an invisible fence there since it is an alley. Can't dig it up or put things on neighbors property. I could place things on my side but not the other side of the alley. My yard is fenced in but he knows which way to run when he gets out. We do use baby gates in the house. When we leave I baby gate him in the kitchen, no carpet. The back door is in the kitchen and our parking area is right outside the door. I understand and agree with the not being able to push a remote in an emergency like what happened last weekend. I doubt I could have gotten a remote that quick. Just not sure what else to try. He just sees the door open and sometimes just wants to rip outside. I can look into the fence thing just to be sure how they work though. we would walk past the area on leash though so idk how that works.
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That is so hard and so scary. Maybe a permanent baby gate, like the kind that swing open and could be mounted at your front door? Or even just a regular accordion style and youbguys step over it all the time? Annoying- but well worth it. Or maybe if you have a little porch gate that so you have two doors shield has to get through? That way you guys can get out. Shut the door and then once you are sure he is safe inside process to exit the gate.
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That had to be one scary sight. Can you put a small fenced in area just outside your front door with a gate. Lattice is fairly inexpensive, easy to make a fence and very attractive. Also, train and ENFORCE the command STAY. I have a front deck, I had a gate installed at the steps to ensure my Cody could not get off my deck, he has also been trained to STAY. As hard as it is for him to STAY when given this command he WILL listen. Training is so important for the safety of our babies.
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My Zoey has always had "rabbit" in her. She runs across the street if she gets the chance. I put a shock collar on her at the lowest setting and let her out. Off she went across the street with me calling her. Stone deaf to my calls. I shocked her and she yipped. Continued to run into the neighbors yard. Shocked a second time - again a yip and continued to run. Another shock and another yip. DID NOT WORK! Now I have a security gate at the front porch and a screen door. This works.
PS my first yorkie, Gina, ran the same way. I shocked her ONE time and she never ran off again. Go figure. They are all different in personalities.
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I can talk to my husband about a gate on the back porch. IT is a very wide porch so I'd have to search or built something. The width on the front might hold a pressure gate, not sure. It's rather wide too but I can measure it and see. It would be an extra measure of security. I might do the gates and collar. I never thought about the collar not working Cherie6446. Matese, he has had training definitely can work on it again. THANKS for all your thoughts and ideas!
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You might think about folding metal fences. They come in different lengths but you can put them together to make a wide barrier.
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Caribear, I am so glad your boy is okay! Ripped toenails and road rash are bad, but I'm glad it wasn't worse.

My boys were trained not to dash out the door, but Teddy decided one day to jump out and chase the UPS truck. Part of the problem was that my dad never gave him the 'stay" command when he opened the door. Thankfully I was coming home at the same time and Teddy came to me. We were also lucky that the pickup driver saw Teddy running and stopped.

The baby gates went up that day. My boys no longer have access to the doors. We have xpens lining our deck too. Max managed to slip past me one night and was outside on the deck without me knowing.

The baby gates can be a pain at times. I fell over one this weekend. I would much rather have bruises than lose one of my boys though.

I continue to train for all of the commands in the house, which have come in handy for emergencies like dropped leashes.

The shock collar -- one of the many problems is that the dog might not know what the shock means. Even dogs who are trained for invisible fences with the shock collars will sometimes bolt. They learn that the shock is a momentary thing until they get to the other side. Then they are reluctant to return because they don't want to be shocked again.
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I never thought I would EVER consider a shock collar. but our new Yorkie is attacking our sweet Gracie. I adore both dogs, but cannot stand the thought that Gracie might be hurt or even killed. I think the new dog was abused by Owners #2. Number 3 gave her up and we are number 4. I just hope I can find an answer for this, because I don't want to rehome her. I guess I would do that, if there is just no other way.
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I am so sorry you had to go through that scary time. If you came to my home you would see a fence with a walk thru gate. My yorkies are not allowed in the room with the front door. I have a closed door to the garage. We are real careful not to let my 2 dogs near the doors. I hope you can keep both dogs and they stay home and get along.
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I never thought I would EVER consider a shock collar. but our new Yorkie is attacking our sweet Gracie. I adore both dogs, but cannot stand the thought that Gracie might be hurt or even killed. I think the new dog was abused by Owners #2. Number 3 gave her up and we are number 4. I just hope I can find an answer for this, because I don't want to rehome her. I guess I would do that, if there is just no other way.
With small dogs like yorkies and others, one can usually just use the VIBRATE or the BEEP function - and never even proceed to the actual shock function. Please do NOT just proceed right to using a shock!
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I was going to use a shock collar once but before I put it on the dog I tried it on myself (my arm). Please do the same thing. Put it on yourself and after you feel the shock decide whether you want to do that to your baby. I did not use but maybe different collars have different levels. I am not trying to influence one way or the other but I do think that you need to make an informed decision.

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This is an old post but I disagree with the use of shock collars in about 99.9% of cases. I personally see it as abuse.
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I never thought I would EVER consider a shock collar. but our new Yorkie is attacking our sweet Gracie. I adore both dogs, but cannot stand the thought that Gracie might be hurt or even killed. I think the new dog was abused by Owners #2. Number 3 gave her up and we are number 4. I just hope I can find an answer for this, because I don't want to rehome her. I guess I would do that, if there is just no other way.
Can you describe how the new Yorkie is attacking Gracie? Is it low growls or full-on snarling and biting? How long have you had the new Yorkie for? How old is she? How old is Gracie?

Have you considered giving the new Yorkie a chance to adjust with your family by taking her to some training classes?

I think in the meantime you must keep them separated, especially if you are not in the same room as them (i.e. completely isolate both of them and spend time with each alone). Once the new dog gets started with training, perhaps slowly transitioning her to being with Gracie.
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