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[oneofakind864]

Here are additional links- and these are just a few. Simply google "Yorkie reaction to Rabies vaccination" and tons of them come up.


We should all educate ourselves about potential problems that could arise with our babies. I think we know in our hearts and "Guts" when something is wrong with our little ones. Blindly accepting "the law says it so I'm gonna follow it" when it comes to rabies vaccinations can be deadly. There are MULTIPLE links I have provided below to back it up and again 5 out of 6 vets in my own personal experience agreed there can be special circumstances where the good the vaccine "Might do" falls short in view of the harm that definitely occurs in "SOME" cases. And apparently with titer tests- you can get a waiver allowing you to "Adhere to the law" and still not administer the rabies vaccination. Though I honestly don't remember getting a titer test...It has been 12 years after all. My vet could have done one because I WAS given a waiver with regards to the rabies vaccination.


Killing a hawk can and will get you JAIL time- but if one was after my yorkie- do you honestly think I would stand by and let my dog die because it is against the law to kill one? Would you?


And how may people have "Snuck" their dogs onto planes because they didn't want to pay the 180 each way fee to fly with your dog?


Y'all can get on your high horses all you want but there are always special circumstances. And while getting regular vaccines and following all the laws pertaining to your dogs is definitely preferable, If you TRULY think that doing so could hurt or endanger your dog it can't hurt to get multiple opinions from different vets to make your final decision.


How to Avoid Vaccination Reactions in Dogs | Truth4Dogs


Vaccination Side Effects in Yorkies | eHow


Vaccines and your Yorkies


Anaphylaxis - Allergic Shock & Vaccine Reactions in Dogs Cats And Ferrets

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by oneofakind864

Killing a hawk can and will get you JAIL time- but if one was after my yorkie- do you honestly think I would stand by and let my dog die because it is against the law to kill one? Would you?

Hmmmmm I remember someone else here a long time ago with a hawk stalking their yorkie. BTW....giving a partial dose of rabies while it might be done by some vets will void that vaccination if there was ever a dog bite and put the vets license in jeopardy. I'm not saying that you didn't have vets willing to do this but most would not ever risk their Veterinary License. Let me add that childhood vaccines are not given by weight or size. The reason that this cannot be done is for the simple fact that a doctor or vet could not determine by eyeing up a syringe what the effective dose would be to prevent disease.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by oneofakind864

Here are additional links- and these are just a few. Simply google "Yorkie reaction to Rabies vaccination" and tons of them come up.


We should all educate ourselves about potential problems that could arise with our babies. I think we know in our hearts and "Guts" when something is wrong with our little ones. Blindly accepting "the law says it so I'm gonna follow it" when it comes to rabies vaccinations can be deadly. There are MULTIPLE links I have provided below to back it up and again 5 out of 6 vets in my own personal experience agreed there can be special circumstances where the good the vaccine "Might do" falls short in view of the harm that definitely occurs in "SOME" cases. And apparently with titer tests- you can get a waiver allowing you to "Adhere to the law" and still not administer the rabies vaccination. Though I honestly don't remember getting a titer test...It has been 12 years after all. My vet could have done one because I WAS given a waiver with regards to the rabies vaccination.


Killing a hawk can and will get you JAIL time- but if one was after my yorkie- do you honestly think I would stand by and let my dog die because it is against the law to kill one? Would you?


And how may people have "Snuck" their dogs onto planes because they didn't want to pay the 180 each way fee to fly with your dog?


Y'all can get on your high horses all you want but there are always special circumstances. And while getting regular vaccines and following all the laws pertaining to your dogs is definitely preferable, If you TRULY think that doing so could hurt or endanger your dog it can't hurt to get multiple opinions from different vets to make your final decision.


How to Avoid Vaccination Reactions in Dogs | Truth4Dogs


Vaccination Side Effects in Yorkies | eHow


Vaccines and your Yorkies


Anaphylaxis - Allergic Shock & Vaccine Reactions in Dogs Cats And Ferrets

Interesting that you mention people being on "high horses" when all they are doing is stating facts.

I really don't know what to say to someone like you. You seem to think that it is ok to break the law....or just break the ones you don't like???
Very confusing rhetoric to me.

BUT....first of all, unless I leave my pups unattended, there is no chance of losing one to a hawk; so I really don't understand the justification of killing one.

Sneaking a pup onto a plane? We have had that discussion here before and I find it a bit ridiculous but whatever. It is not worth it to me to be embarrassed over something like that for such a small amount of money. BUT someone like you who does not care to protect her pup, me or other humans from the chance of rabies does concern me.

Your thinking imho is just flawed. I "get" that there are chances of vaccine reactions; but they are not as common as you wish to believe and most are not life threatening. Of course if a person loses a pup due to anaphylactic shock, they would certainly be leary. You said you lied and told people your pup died....I for the life of me don't find that in the least bit humorous. It disturbs me greatly.

So, as i see all this you DID mean to offend because you clearly don't like hearing facts/truth.

[oneofakind864]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Interesting that you mention people being on "high horses" when all they are doing is stating facts.

I really don't know what to say to someone like you. You seem to think that it is ok to break the law....or just break the ones you don't like???
Very confusing rhetoric to me.

BUT....first of all, unless I leave my pups unattended, there is no chance of losing one to a hawk; so I really don't understand the justification of killing one.

Sneaking a pup onto a plane? We have had that discussion here before and I find it a bit ridiculous but whatever. It is not worth it to me to be embarrassed over something like that for such a small amount of money. BUT someone like you who does not care to protect her pup, me or other humans from the chance of rabies does concern me.

Your thinking imho is just flawed. I "get" that there are chances of vaccine reactions; but they are not as common as you wish to believe and most are not life threatening. Of course if a person loses a pup due to anaphylactic shock, they would certainly be leary. You said you lied and told people your pup died....I for the life of me don't find that in the least bit humorous. It disturbs me greatly.

So, as i see all this you DID mean to offend because you clearly don't like hearing facts/truth.

I made the choice, after my dog had a horrible reaction to the rabies vaccination and under the direction of a vet not to give her the shot again. I went to the second vet because I " Knew" something was not right and the first one insisted he had no idea what could have caused all the trouble. I sought out one who had experience the same thing happening to more than one dog under his care and who knew immediately what the problem was and who also offered a suggestion as to what a solution could be. As he was willing to put it in writing (as were 4 additional vets in the area through the next 12 years) I doubt that what they were doing would be considered illegal because it WOULD be foolish to risk their vet license if it were. But I honestly don't know because I am not a vet. All I know is I was given a waiver and told that with that letter- it was OK not to give my dog the rabies shot again..so I did not break any laws (at least not in CA as far as I know)


When I tried to show the letter to the "City of San Carlos" which is different from the COUNTY of San Mateo- they couldn't get that it could endanger my dog's life to get another shot. It IS an unusual circumstance and one they had never dealt with previously( so the didn't have provisions to handle it). After trying to communicate with them that this was a special circumstance-and it was also vet suggested and approved IN WRITING- I resorted ( In a fit of frustrated sarcasm) to telling them "I no longer had my dog" because they didn't care if the shot could endanger my dog or not. All they wanted was their i's dotted and their t's crossed. And truly...even though I do feel somewhat attacked by you- I was not trying to disturb anyone or to offend. I was simply trying to help Izzy's Mom who was asking if any of us had ever seen or experienced something similar to what Izzy was going through. My dog did have very similar symptoms.


And not once..in the entire 12 years of her life did Chanel ever "Hit the ground" outside when I wasn't right there with her on a leash. If a dog I wasn't familiar with came near- I picked her up and left. So there was NO chance of her getting rabies. And yes once when I was walking her on a leash, a hawk swooped down like it was going to try and pick her up and I stepped in between her and the bird. The bird re-thought it's menu plans. But had it not, I was fully prepared to defend my dog with my bare hands at the hawks expense.( legal or not- And had it come down to it I would have served jail time gladly if killing a hawk was what it took to save my little girl!) So with my dog as with yours, there was also NO chance of a hawk getting her without going through me.


And thank god reactions to the rabies vaccine are NOT common. But I think Izzy's mom needs to be aware that it "COULD" be something to be concerned about. It WAS with my dog. Wouldn't you feel awful if you told her to turn a blind eye because it was nothing and the next shot killed Izzy?


And YOU obviously have a problem with anyone who has a differing opinion or set of experiences than yours. And I truly regret that. I have seen people jump all over others on this site for minor things. But isn't this site to bring together all the best information possible in all things regarding our dogs? After the first vet acted so clueless I learned to do my own homework. I have done HOURS of research during my dogs life and spend 1000's on vet bills through fighting kidney disease for the last 5 years of her life. I could write books on diets for dogs dealing with kidney problems. My dog was not only under the supervision of a vet at all times- she was also under a canine opthamologist for the last 3 years of her life, she had a transfusion because of anemia brought on by the low protein diet required for kidney disease. I took extremely good care of her for her entire life and I learned a LOT. One of those experiences I believed could possibly be of interest to Izzy's mom so I posted it. I am very sorry if you disagree with the way I handled my dogs rabies treatment or the advice I offered. I got the best information I could from the most qualified vets around and made what I considered the best choice for my dog. My breeder ALSO supported my decision. None of us are perfect but I can honestly say I did my best based on what I knew at the time. And while I hope YOU are correct and Izzy will be just fine and able to get his next rabies vaccination with no trouble. If I were Izzy's Mom I would appreciate knowing there was someone out there like me, who has gone through the same worries and symptoms who wasn't afraid to take the time to share the POSSIBILITY that it might be something to be worried about.


But don't ever insinuate that I didn't take care of my dog. My vet literally told me that if I needed a reference he would be more than willing to let them know (His words) "That I am the best doggie mom he has seen in 17 years of practice" I have also fostered " Special needs tinies" for agencies here in California. I'm not ignorant or irresponsible. We'll have to agree to disagree on whether Izzy's mom should ignore the lump. And that is FINE by me. It is Izzy's mom's call to make after reading all the information she can to make an educated decision- but I'll bet she is glad I posted. If it were me I would have been grateful when it happened to me 12 years ago.


I have spent enough time stating my point of view and provided links to back it up. There is no need to be insulting.

[Lovetodream88]

It is definitely illegal to split or give less of the rabies vaccine and I would be grabbing my baby and getting the heck out of that office if the vet wanted to break the law because god knows what other things they might break the law with. Scary. One thing to remember is if your dog bites another dog or a human even with a rabies exemption they still will take your dog. Shots have never given Callie a lump but they make her very sore and icky but I would much rather that then her have to spend a month or more in a scary cold cage away from me.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by oneofakind864

I made the choice, after my dog had a horrible reaction to the rabies vaccination and under the direction of a vet not to give her the shot again. I went to the second vet because I " Knew" something was not right and the first one insisted he had no idea what could have caused all the trouble. I sought out one who had experience the same thing happening to more than one dog under his care and who knew immediately what the problem was and who also offered a suggestion as to what a solution could be. As he was willing to put it in writing (as were 4 additional vets in the area through the next 12 years) I doubt that what they were doing would be considered illegal because it WOULD be foolish to risk their vet license if it were. But I honestly don't know because I am not a vet. All I know is I was given a waiver and told that with that letter- it was OK not to give my dog the rabies shot again..so I did not break any laws (at least not in CA as far as I know)


When I tried to show the letter to the "City of San Carlos" which is different from the COUNTY of San Mateo- they couldn't get that it could endanger my dog's life to get another shot. It IS an unusual circumstance and one they had never dealt with previously( so the didn't have provisions to handle it). After trying to communicate with them that this was a special circumstance-and it was also vet suggested and approved IN WRITING- I resorted ( In a fit of frustrated sarcasm) to telling them "I no longer had my dog" because they didn't care if the shot could endanger my dog or not. All they wanted was their i's dotted and their t's crossed. And truly...even though I do feel somewhat attacked by you- I was not trying to disturb anyone or to offend. I was simply trying to help Izzy's Mom who was asking if any of us had ever seen or experienced something similar to what Izzy was going through. My dog did have very similar symptoms.


And not once..in the entire 12 years of her life did Chanel ever "Hit the ground" outside when I wasn't right there with her on a leash. If a dog I wasn't familiar with came near- I picked her up and left. So there was NO chance of her getting rabies. And yes once when I was walking her on a leash, a hawk swooped down like it was going to try and pick her up and I stepped in between her and the bird. The bird re-thought it's menu plans. But had it not, I was fully prepared to defend my dog with my bare hands at the hawks expense.( legal or not- And had it come down to it I would have served jail time gladly if killing a hawk was what it took to save my little girl!) So with my dog as with yours, there was also NO chance of a hawk getting her without going through me.


And thank god reactions to the rabies vaccine are NOT common. But I think Izzy's mom needs to be aware that it "COULD" be something to be concerned about. It WAS with my dog. Wouldn't you feel awful if you told her to turn a blind eye because it was nothing and the next shot killed Izzy?


And YOU obviously have a problem with anyone who has a differing opinion or set of experiences than yours. And I truly regret that. I have seen people jump all over others on this site for minor things. But isn't this site to bring together all the best information possible in all things regarding our dogs? After the first vet acted so clueless I learned to do my own homework. I have done HOURS of research during my dogs life and spend 1000's on vet bills through fighting kidney disease for the last 5 years of her life. I could write books on diets for dogs dealing with kidney problems. My dog was not only under the supervision of a vet at all times- she was also under a canine opthamologist for the last 3 years of her life, she had a transfusion because of anemia brought on by the low protein diet required for kidney disease. I took extremely good care of her for her entire life and I learned a LOT. One of those experiences I believed could possibly be of interest to Izzy's mom so I posted it. I am very sorry if you disagree with the way I handled my dogs rabies treatment or the advice I offered. I got the best information I could from the most qualified vets around and made what I considered the best choice for my dog. My breeder ALSO supported my decision. None of us are perfect but I can honestly say I did my best based on what I knew at the time. And while I hope YOU are correct and Izzy will be just fine and able to get his next rabies vaccination with no trouble. If I were Izzy's Mom I would appreciate knowing there was someone out there like me, who has gone through the same worries and symptoms who wasn't afraid to take the time to share the POSSIBILITY that it might be something to be worried about.


But don't ever insinuate that I didn't take care of my dog. My vet literally told me that if I needed a reference he would be more than willing to let them know (His words) "That I am the best doggie mom he has seen in 17 years of practice" I have also fostered " Special needs tinies" for agencies here in California. I'm not ignorant or irresponsible. We'll have to agree to disagree on whether Izzy's mom should ignore the lump. And that is FINE by me. It is Izzy's mom's call to make after reading all the information she can to make an educated decision- but I'll bet she is glad I posted. If it were me I would have been grateful when it happened to me 12 years ago.


I have spent enough time stating my point of view and provided links to back it up. There is no need to be insulting.

My responses to the above red and bolded comments, in order:

1) Waivers are not illegal. What I said is illegal is splitting rabies vaccines and giving a lesser amount. Not only is it illegal, it is not even useful. In your research surely you have read how the vaccine works?? I would be shocked to see a vet put THAT in writing......it is wrong AND ILLEGAL. Case closed on this.

2) I commented because you said this about the lie you told the people:
" I finally ended up telling them she died ( Evil grin- due to complications with the rabies vaccination and I called them a few choice names!" Nothing to grin about imho. That's all.

3) I am not even going to argue this with you. The OP needs to listen to her licensed vet ... or if she wants, get a second opinion. Would I feel badly ? Sure I would but this is NOT anywhere close to an anyphylactic reaction. AND, this is an online forum. No one here is a vet and all we do is offer our experiences. I have had MANY pups over the years with localized reactions to all injections. I have also had pups who had little round quarter sized bald spots from rabies injections who had other vaccinations later without any issues at all. I am not into only "tines" as you are, I love all of them....my one "tiny" has a bald spot presumably from a past rabies vaccine and I still had him vaccinated. He is fine. As for infections at the site of an injection, it very well could be from poor technique of the person giving that injection.

4. I don't have a problem with people having different opinions. In my humble opinion, you are the one with a problem right now. You have stated your opinions and I have stated mine...I have not once said that what you are saying is personal. You however are taking all of this very personal...AND you said we are all on our "high horses" because we stated our opinions.

5) To avoid having problems in the future with anemia due to an unbalanced diet, I strongly suggest you consult with a board certified vet nutritionist instead of googling and winging it yourself. While I realize you had good intentions, it isn't easy to create a balanced diet using google. I too have had pups that I home cooked for...one who had renal failure for 4 /12 years. I cooked for him a diet by a vet nutritionist and he did remarkably well until the end did come. Eventually renal failure will get them.

6). I did not insinuate anything. Again, I stated facts....and honestly if you believe it is ok to circumvent laws and lie about things, you do concern me greatly. As for what kind of pet parent you are...the only way I would know is by doing a vet check which all rescues and breeders should do...and I don't mean asking a vet what they think of someone. I ask for details...I want to know exactly what a person has done or not done to care for their pups.


7). I don't use google for all of my knowledge. It can be informative and helpful, but there is a TON of misinformation on the internet. Links are one thing....but often you must look at the source...not just what they are saying. If you find the fact that we all have our own opinions insulting, that is your problem, not mine. I am not trying to insult anyone. My intent here is to voice what I believe to be truth.

[oneofakind864]

Lady Jane...points made and taken. You sound like a very responsible person and I am sure if I met you in person we would get along just fine.


I do have a very sarcastic sense of humor and that doesn't translate very well in written medium.


Let's bury the hatchet shall we? We both obviously care a LOT about the health and well being of our dogs...well all dogs actually or neither of us would have taken the time for all the lengthy responses. I was probably out of line in saying what I did to the City..but I was frustrated and lashed out with an emotional response to the red tape I was dealing with at the time. I hope you can get past that and we can be cyber friends. I really don't want any resentment between me and any other yorkie lovers.


What say you?


Ps I did use a vet nutritionist to help develop the kidney diet and supplements needed. Google was just a starting point for what the problem was specifically for canines and to educate myself about how Kidney disease progresses, symptoms, stages and hot to interpret the blood tests. She got where food didn't really appeal to her unless we switched it up for her so the nutritionist came up with some good ways to keep her diet varied but still within the parameters needed to best support her kidneys. I never did anything with regards to her that wasn't approved by a licensed vet.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by oneofakind864

Lady Jane...points made and taken. You sound like a very responsible person and I am sure if I met you in person we would get along just fine.


I do have a very sarcastic sense of humor and that doesn't translate very well in written medium.


Let's bury the hatchet shall we? We both obviously care a LOT about the health and well being of our dogs...well all dogs actually or neither of us would have taken the time for all the lengthy responses. I was probably out of line in saying what I did to the City..but I was frustrated and lashed out with an emotional response to the red tape I was dealing with at the time. I hope you can get past that and we can be cyber friends. I really don't want any resentment between me and any other yorkie lovers.


What say you?


Ps I did use a vet nutritionist to help develop the kidney diet and supplements needed. Google was just a starting point for what the problem was specifically for canines and to educate myself about how Kidney disease progresses, symptoms, stages and hot to interpret the blood tests. She got where food didn't really appeal to her unless we switched it up for her so the nutritionist came up with some good ways to keep her diet varied but still within the parameters needed to best support her kidneys. I never did anything with regards to her that wasn't approved by a licensed vet.

I have no issue with you. All I was doing was stating my opinions. I simply had different opinions that you. That was all.

No worries.

[Zoey Zendaya]

And I mean that sincerely....I sure didn't mean to cause such a stir and I appreciate everyone's opinions and experiences....I think we are all passionate with our furbabies...
This is how we learn...I don't have a big variety of vet selections In my area....and what I feel sometimes is not always the right thing to do. I'm not a vet....like ...I'd sure like to bring my baby home same day as spay but I guess it's the "right" thing to do to leave overnight for observation with only a one time check during the night...but that's another can of worms to open.
I have 3 weeks to change my mind on this vet and look further away...
The last vet wasn't available for emergencies....this one is but I have only seen her once the4 times I have been there! Hate that too....

Izzy' lump has gone down significantly since I last posted...and she is the active little fur child once again....but now I'm facing another rabie booster with Zoey soon , she'll be 2 soon and weighs 4.3 lbs...this is so overwhelming !
I too, don't let them out of my sight , they are supervised inside and out, and I don't show ...they're just my baby girls...

Thank you all for taking the time to tell it like you feel , I will take it all to heart.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Zoey Zendaya

And I mean that sincerely....I sure didn't mean to cause such a stir and I appreciate everyone's opinions and experiences....I think we are all passionate with our furbabies...
This is how we learn...I don't have a big variety of vet selections In my area....and what I feel sometimes is not always the right thing to do. I'm not a vet....like ...I'd sure like to bring my baby home same day as spay but I guess it's the "right" thing to do to leave overnight for observation with only a one time check during the night...but that's another can of worms to open.
I have 3 weeks to change my mind on this vet and look further away...
The last vet wasn't available for emergencies....this one is but I have only seen her once the4 times I have been there! Hate that too....

Izzy' lump has gone down significantly since I last posted...and she is the active little fur child once again....but now I'm facing another rabie booster with Zoey soon , she'll be 2 soon and weighs 4.3 lbs...this is so overwhelming !
I too, don't let them out of my sight , they are supervised inside and out, and I don't show ...they're just my baby girls...

Thank you all for taking the time to tell it like you feel , I will take it all to heart.

I refuse to leave any of my pups with any vet who does not have all night people watching them. I know that most regular vets do it, but it is simply not for me. I know that many people do it and I have never heard any horror stories, but I simply cannot bring myself to doing it. Many vets do it because owners get frightened about the pups during the night. They sometimes pant a bit and whine...and it can be anxiety inducing for the owner.

[Zoey Zendaya]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I refuse to leave any of my pups with any vet who does not have all night people watching them. I know that most regular vets do it, but it is simply not for me. I know that many people do it and I have never heard any horror stories, but I simply cannot bring myself to doing it. Many vets do it because owners get frightened about the pups during the night. They sometimes pant a bit and whine...and it can be anxiety inducing for the owner.

I'm going to be the one panting and whining ...my little Izzyis such a timid little scary cat I can't bear the thought of leaving her . I asked them if I could take her home same day and they just will not. She will be 6 months April 12 th , they wouldn't do it till 6 months , so we're running out of time before 1st heat....
Do you think I should take her back to 1st vet I left? ( because of no emergency contact info) or find new one further away?😞

[oneofakind864]

Lawd.. I hesitate to even volunteer this cuz I'm sure someone will have a problem with it. SO ...This is just me..but my breeder for my last little girl, and the new breeder for my new puppy both suggested that I wait until the 9 or 10 month mark. That way I could have spay and remove any baby teeth that needed to come out at the same time and could avoid putting her under anesthesia a second time. It also gives the the little ones time to get a little bigger to be able to handle it.

I'm with Lady Jane. Wouldn't leave my baby overnight without constant supervision. ( LOL...betya never thought we'd be an agreement did ya? LOL)

[Zoey Zendaya]

Originally Posted by oneofakind864

Lawd.. I hesitate to even volunteer this cuz I'm sure someone will have a problem with it. SO ...This is just me..but my breeder for my last little girl, and the new breeder for my new puppy both suggested that I wait until the 9 or 10 month mark. That way I could have spay and remove any baby teeth that needed to come out at the same time and could avoid putting her under anesthesia a second time. It also gives the the little ones time to get a little bigger to be able to handle it.

I'm with Lady Jane. Wouldn't leave my baby overnight without constant supervision. ( LOL...betya never thought we'd be an agreement did ya? LOL)

Hmmm, but what about the need to spay before 1st heat dilemma....
Uh oh ...another can o worms.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Zoey Zendaya

I'm going to be the one panting and whining ...my little Izzyis such a timid little scary cat I can't bear the thought of leaving her . I asked them if I could take her home same day and they just will not. She will be 6 months April 12 th , they wouldn't do it till 6 months , so we're running out of time before 1st heat....
Do you think I should take her back to 1st vet I left? ( because of no emergency contact info) or find new one further away?😞

LOL at your first sentence.

Just remember one thing....she is your pup and you make the calls. I really don't know ...I would not suggest one vet over the other. Don't know them.
I am sure if you choose to leave her overnight, she will be fine...but know that you don't have to ask them...you can just tell them that you don't want her there overnight.

[oneofakind864]

Originally Posted by Zoey Zendaya

Hmmm, but what about the need to spay before 1st heat dilemma....
Uh oh ...another can o worms.

I KNOW!!!! That's what I was saying....YIKES I'm kinda skeered of what everyone is gonna say to that one! LOL