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01-28-2011, 09:14 PM | #1 |
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| Diet and Eye Gunk Can someone please point me to the research/studies which show a correlation between diet and eye gunk? My vet does not believe there is a causal factor. He attributes eye gunk to tiny eyelashes irritating the pooch's eyeball. My Biewer, Dori, eats Wellness small breed; she has some eye stuff, but hard to say it is "excessive."
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01-28-2011, 10:13 PM | #2 |
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| Excessive eye gunk can come from feeding a too high protein diet. The red staining is a combination of yeast and bacteria. I found that info years ago, and can't find the exact link again... but I'm sure you could 'Google' Groomimg Maltese, or similar and find many sites.... Your vet is right too. There is a condition in small dogs where their eyelashes grow in backwards and irritate the eyes. But this is not always the case. Anytime a foreign object like a hair gets into the eye, mucous will be produced and will engulf the offending object to prevent it from damaging the eye. Eye staining is a vicious cycle. The outer eye area needs to be gently cleaned and all debris removed. Antibiotic eye ointment should be used in the eyes and on the surrounding lids, to get the bacteria under control. And to answer your question... haha... here's a link to many sites that cite diet as a cause of eye discharge.... eye gunk and diet - Google Search=
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01-28-2011, 10:22 PM | #3 |
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| And as you asked for 'research/papers', that I have not found, yet. Appearance is not so important to vets, as long as it's not life-threatening. Your best resource will be groomer, breeders, and show people, as appearance is of utmost importance to them, and there are many years of experience that go into some of the show/breeder sites that address grooming issues such as eye gunk and tear staining, especially on the Maltese sites.
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01-29-2011, 09:55 AM | #4 |
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| Thanks for the info. My vet did suggest not feeding Origin because of high protein. I wasn't aware of the yeast/bacteria connection. We do use baby wipes every day to stay on top of it. I appreciate the time you took in your reply.
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01-29-2011, 10:32 AM | #5 |
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| You're welcome.... I use plain normal saline solution to clean around the eyes, and in a dropper to flush the eyes like on a windy day when dust and stuff may blow around and end up in the eyes. It's good to use also to flush out stray hairs and stuff too. I keep a tube of antibacterial eye ointment (no steroids) for general use in maintaining eye health. Once my dogs had a skirmish, and my little guy's eye started swelling as I watched. I thought maybe saliva from the other dog may have gotten into his eye, so I quickly rinsed it, and put some AB eye ointment in it, before we went to the vet. It looked normal when the vet saw it, but I told her what happened. He did have some minor punctures (actually scrapes) on his lower lid and nose, and the vet wanted to give me Animax for it, but I said I was concerned with it being so close to the eye, could I just use the eye ointment on those wounds... she said yes. So next morning, there's a greenish yellow pus in this eye. So I rinse it out, and as I applied the eye ointment I saw a tiny cut on the inside of his lower lid. This was missed the day before, but I was more concerned with the vet checking the eyeball itself so I wasn't too concerned, just made sure to apply the ointment 2x daily for a week then had the vet check it when he went back for a recheck. Long story just to say eye supplies come in handy... Sterile Saline Solution, Natural Tears (nothing else), Triple Antibiotic eye ointment, and we're good to go! Oh and a flea comb to rmove gunk from the hair around the eyes (after it softens with the Saline Solution)
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01-29-2011, 10:52 AM | #6 | |
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01-29-2011, 11:02 AM | #7 |
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| Could someone give me an estimate on high protein? Millie has the same gunky eyes, and I'm wondering if it's the protein now too...She's on Solid Gold with 28% protein. |
01-29-2011, 11:29 AM | #8 |
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| I've never heard of eye staining from too high protein of diet? That's new to me. I know a lot of dogs get eye boogers on crappy foods, like Ol' Roy, Purina, Kibbles n Bits, and foods with lots of fillers. But sometimes different ingredients react to different dogs in different ways... I think it's just a matter of finding what works right for your dog. Fromm is an excellent food, IMO, but it causes major eye boogers in Jackson as well as a few others here on YT.
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IMHO... I consider high protein to be over 23%, mid range 18-23%, low protein is 14-18%. I would only feed low protein for medical reasons. I cut the protein on my senior (senior diet)... and he wasn't acting right... so I went back up to a midrange protein%... happy to say he's doing much better.
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01-29-2011, 12:04 PM | #10 | |
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I never thought of that... something I need to keep in mind though bc the beaches around here have been closed on a few occassions due to high bacterial counts in the water. What do you use in their ears?
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01-29-2011, 07:41 PM | #11 | |
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Can you recommend where you buy your eye ointment? This sounds like a great thing to have!
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01-29-2011, 07:57 PM | #12 |
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| I am battling tear stains more than the gunk. I too feed Wellness small breed. I have purchased tear stain remover but nothing seems to work real well. I am curious about the antibiotic eye ointment, kjc. What do you use? I now think it is not the food but yeast and bacteria. And I was just about to try Taste of the Wild.
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You need to use it for the full week, or you can end up making the bacteria resistant. Also, some dogs may have a sensitivity to the antibiotics in the ointments, so if you see any swelling or itching or anything unexpected, discontinue using the product, and call your vet. Quote:
I agree too with Brit's post about cheaper foods causing goop too. Maybe it has something to do with types and quality of protein ... IDK... it does make sense...
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01-30-2011, 10:04 AM | #15 | |
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I did go get some samples of some other foods to try. I may go ahead and try them and see if it is something in the food. I have Taste of the Wild to try and two others they recommended. I have to look them up before I will try them. Rosie seems to really like Wellness so I have been hesitate to change. But the tear stains are bad and I don't think they were before we changed the food.
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