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lportnoy · 08-18-2005, 03:48 AM

Folks,
I'm looking for dry food with low protein that has very good quality protein ingredients so that the liver doesn't have to do much work to convert the protein into forms the body can use. Please suggest any. Thanks

Olivier · 08-18-2005, 04:35 AM

As everybodies will tell you . Try Innova .

lportnoy · 08-18-2005, 04:37 AM

I just checked Innova which contain high % of protein. Since my baby has liver problem I need good quility dry food but with low protein.
Thanks

sneri13 · 08-18-2005, 05:55 AM

I use Solid Gold just a wee bit it is 28% protein Don't know if this is to high but Mac & Mellie love it.

Snow Yorkies · 08-18-2005, 06:02 AM

My dad uses k/d science diet, since his lab went into kidney failure this past spring. He is a older dog, but has had no more trips to the vet and is looking great. Not sure if this is low in protein, just was following the vets direction.

yorkieusa · 08-18-2005, 07:30 AM

Dietary management also plays a role in treating problems associated with diseases of major internal organs, such as the heart, liver and kidneys. Prescription diets, available from veterinarians, are usually recommended after hospitalization and treatment have stabilized the animal. With heart disease, the main dietary consideration is a low sodium level, which helps reduce blood pressure and the work load on the heart. Prescription diets for treating kidney disease have reduced levels of protein (but high quality protein), phosphorus and sodium, because the diseased kidney does a poor job of excreting these. They also contain extra amounts of B-complex vitamins, which tend to be lost through the diseased kidney. A more recently marketed prescription diet is aimed at increasing excretion of nitrogenous waste (from protein metabolism) through the intestinal tract to make up for the lost kidney function. Dogs with liver disease are frequently fed these same diets designed for kidney disease.

http://www.espomagazine.com/vet/jul98.htm

Babbie · 08-18-2005, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by lportnoy

I just checked Innova which contain high % of protein. Since my baby has liver problem I need good quility dry food but with low protein.
Thanks

It is not only the amount of protein that you have to watch for but the quality and the amount of amino acids which is directly related to digestibility. You dog will probably need more carbs, but protein from meat is more digestable than protein derived from vegetable so it the easier it is for the body to convert. If i am not mistaken chicken and turkey would be the best so you will still need to have a meat derived main igredient.

A diet of high calorie and low in protein is Hill's LD Diet, but i think you have to buy thru your vet. There should be many other out there, and i donnou if that would be possible for you but can always change to a fresh, homemade diet

There is other things you might want to stay away from, try to avoid pet foods with synthetic preservatives, like butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA), butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT), and ethoxyquin (which has been "volutarily" reduced since some pet owners link to liver damage and other problems)

Here is a site that explain really clear about protein and its types.

littlelizzy · 08-18-2005, 08:08 AM

Hill's L/D Perscription Food is what they have put Mia on. We had her blood work checked and did the bile acid test on her and found out she did have liver problems. Our vet refered us to Texas A & M, and they retested her and came up with the same results. After they did an ultrasound on her and found no visible liver shunt, they feared she may have MVD. The only way to dignose MVD is with a biopsy of the liver, which they did do, and sure enough, she does have it.
They put her on the L/D food and she is doing great on in so far, but it has only been 9 days since her surgery. But she has not thrown it up once, and before making the switch she was throwing up quite a bit.
If you have a dog with liver problems, stay away from Nutracal. It is very high in protein. Before we found out what Mia's problem was, every time she would throw up I would give her Nutracal. I was just making the problem worse. She was sick because of the protein her liver was unable to filter out. The vets at A & M told us to feed only the L/D an nothing else. No treats are human food at all.

lportnoy · 08-18-2005, 10:22 AM

How total $ cost to treat liver disease?

Kodiesmom · 08-18-2005, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by littlelizzy

Hill's L/D Perscription Food is what they have put Mia on. We had her blood work checked and did the bile acid test on her and found out she did have liver problems. Our vet refered us to Texas A & M, and they retested her and came up with the same results. After they did an ultrasound on her and found no visible liver shunt, they feared she may have MVD. The only way to dignose MVD is with a biopsy of the liver, which they did do, and sure enough, she does have it.
They put her on the L/D food and she is doing great on in so far, but it has only been 9 days since her surgery. But she has not thrown it up once, and before making the switch she was throwing up quite a bit.
If you have a dog with liver problems, stay away from Nutracal. It is very high in protein. Before we found out what Mia's problem was, every time she would throw up I would give her Nutracal. I was just making the problem worse. She was sick because of the protein her liver was unable to filter out. The vets at A & M told us to feed only the L/D an nothing else. No treats are human food at all.

My baby Kodie has MVD as well. He is on Hill's L/D and I also will mix in some veggies or baby food.

I took him to Cornell University to see the top specialist in the country for MVD, Dr. Center. I asked about veggies and they told me it is the best thing for him...

lportnoy · 08-18-2005, 02:50 PM

How much cost ultrasound. Is it paintfull test or it just like sonogram like for human?

Kodiesmom · 08-18-2005, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lportnoy

How much cost ultrasound. Is it paintfull test or it just like sonogram like for human?

Well it depends where you go... Kodie's was more expensive at a local vet than at the university. It is a noninvasive test.

lportnoy · 08-19-2005, 03:23 AM

Do you know any good clinic in New York (Manhattan or Brooklyn) where I can do further testing for my baby? Thanks

Kodiesmom · 08-19-2005, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lportnoy

Do you know any good clinic in New York (Manhattan or Brooklyn) where I can do further testing for my baby? Thanks

No... if you can Cornell University (Up state NY) has the BEST liver specialist in America. Ask for Dr. Center.

lportnoy · 08-19-2005, 05:42 AM

Do you have how far is it from New York, Brooklyn. Actually it's impossible for me because I don't drive and I guess to take a taxe it will cost a lot. Maybe you can advice somewhere in New York Manhattan or in Brooklyn areas. Also what is MVD means, is it treatable or not.
Thanks

08-18-2005, 03:48 AM	#1
lportnoy Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 42	Liver disease Folks, I'm looking for dry food with low protein that has very good quality protein ingredients so that the liver doesn't have to do much work to convert the protein into forms the body can use. Please suggest any. Thanks

08-18-2005, 05:55 AM	#4
sneri13 Luv My Spoiled Babies Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3,065	I use Solid Gold just a wee bit it is 28% protein Don't know if this is to high but Mac & Mellie love it. __________________ Susan Mac Mellie & Manny Prayers for Ren

08-18-2005, 06:02 AM	#5
Snow Yorkies Biewer Passionate Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern AL Posts: 1,666	My dad uses k/d science diet, since his lab went into kidney failure this past spring. He is a older dog, but has had no more trips to the vet and is looking great. Not sure if this is low in protein, just was following the vets direction. __________________ Dare to Dream Biewers Charter Member of BYTNC

08-18-2005, 07:30 AM	#6
yorkieusa Crazy about Kacee! Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 8,825	Dietary management also plays a role in treating problems associated with diseases of major internal organs, such as the heart, liver and kidneys. Prescription diets, available from veterinarians, are usually recommended after hospitalization and treatment have stabilized the animal. With heart disease, the main dietary consideration is a low sodium level, which helps reduce blood pressure and the work load on the heart. Prescription diets for treating kidney disease have reduced levels of protein (but high quality protein), phosphorus and sodium, because the diseased kidney does a poor job of excreting these. They also contain extra amounts of B-complex vitamins, which tend to be lost through the diseased kidney. A more recently marketed prescription diet is aimed at increasing excretion of nitrogenous waste (from protein metabolism) through the intestinal tract to make up for the lost kidney function. Dogs with liver disease are frequently fed these same diets designed for kidney disease. http://www.espomagazine.com/vet/jul98.htm __________________ Karen Kacee Muffin 1991-2005 Rest in Peace My Little Angel

08-18-2005, 08:08 AM	#8
littlelizzy Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warren Texas Posts: 139	Hill's L/D Perscription Food is what they have put Mia on. We had her blood work checked and did the bile acid test on her and found out she did have liver problems. Our vet refered us to Texas A & M, and they retested her and came up with the same results. After they did an ultrasound on her and found no visible liver shunt, they feared she may have MVD. The only way to dignose MVD is with a biopsy of the liver, which they did do, and sure enough, she does have it. They put her on the L/D food and she is doing great on in so far, but it has only been 9 days since her surgery. But she has not thrown it up once, and before making the switch she was throwing up quite a bit. If you have a dog with liver problems, stay away from Nutracal. It is very high in protein. Before we found out what Mia's problem was, every time she would throw up I would give her Nutracal. I was just making the problem worse. She was sick because of the protein her liver was unable to filter out. The vets at A & M told us to feed only the L/D an nothing else. No treats are human food at all. __________________ Kim and Mia http://dogster.com/?359747

08-18-2005, 04:35 AM	#2
Olivier Currently Suspended! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,878	As everybodies will tell you . Try Innova .

08-18-2005, 04:37 AM	#3
lportnoy Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 42	I just checked Innova which contain high % of protein. Since my baby has liver problem I need good quility dry food but with low protein. Thanks

08-18-2005, 10:22 AM	#9
lportnoy Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 42	How total $ cost to treat liver disease?

08-18-2005, 02:50 PM	#11
lportnoy Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 42	How much cost ultrasound. Is it paintfull test or it just like sonogram like for human?

08-19-2005, 03:23 AM	#13
lportnoy Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 42	Do you know any good clinic in New York (Manhattan or Brooklyn) where I can do further testing for my baby? Thanks

08-19-2005, 05:42 AM	#15
lportnoy Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 42	Do you have how far is it from New York, Brooklyn. Actually it's impossible for me because I don't drive and I guess to take a taxe it will cost a lot. Maybe you can advice somewhere in New York Manhattan or in Brooklyn areas. Also what is MVD means, is it treatable or not. Thanks