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04-25-2013, 11:18 AM | #1 |
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| Lymphangiectasia Our yorkie, Dany, has been diagnosed with Lymphangiectasia. The vet is recommending a Hills Prescription diet. My pups are currently on a grain-free diet and I would prefer not to feed Dany the Hills diet food, however, from everything I can research, diet is key in keeping them as healthy as possible with this disease. Anyone out there who has had a pup with Lymphangiectasia and if so, what did/do you feed them? I found Annamaet LEAN Dog Food. Not sure if it will fit the bill. I plan to go over the ingredients and guaranteed analysis with the vet, but hoping someone has some real world experience. Info on Annamaet below: Guaranteed Analysis: Crude Protein, min: 30.0% Crude Fat, min: 8.0% Crude Fiber, max: 3.5% Moisture, max: 10.0% Ash, max: 6.8% Calorie Content: Metabolizable Energy, as fed, 3242 kcal/kg = 1471 Kcal/lb = 350 kcal/cup Ingredient list: Chicken meal, Potato, Tapioca, Field Peas, Duck Meal, Herring Meal, Natural Flavor, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols (vitamin E)), Menhaden Oil (Preserved with Natural Mixed Tocoperols (Vitamin E)), Flax Seed Meal, Carrots, Celery, Parsley, Lettuce, Watercress, Spinach, Lecithin, DL Methionine, L-Lysine, Cranberries, Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product Dehydrated, Oligofructose, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Salt, Kelp Meal, Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C, Niacin Supplement, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate, L-Carnitine, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid, Choline Chloride, Potassium Chloride, Zinc Proteinate, Betaine Anhydrous, Iron Proteinate, Selenium Yeast, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Sodium Selenite, Calcium Iodate.
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04-25-2013, 12:09 PM | #3 |
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04-25-2013, 12:35 PM | #4 |
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| LadyJane has her dog Cookie on a home cooked diet for lymphangiectasia. I would recommend you consult with a board certified veterinary nutritionist for other options if you do not wish to feed the hill's. I have worked with Dr Rebecca Remillard for several years for my dogs, her website is PetDiets - VNC putting pets' health first!. Or you can check out American College of Veterinary Nutrition to locate other board certified veterinary nutritionists. Is your dog in the care of a board certified internal medicine specialist? If no, the dog should be.
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04-25-2013, 03:09 PM | #5 |
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| I seriously doubt that any food you purchase in a store would be appropriate for Dany. The specialists suggested either RC low fat or home cooking for my Cookie. I opted for home cooking. They have a nutritionist on staff there...she also has a website if you are interested: Lenox Veterinary Nutrition Consulting | Clinical solutions for feeding and nutrition in small animals Here is a link to a thread about Cookie ... http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...ia-update.html It is very true that diet is important for these pups....I believe it is money well spent to consult with a vet nutritionist. Some people think that any nutritionist is ok, but personally I won't use any that are not vets. I have used mine for other pups and she is spot on in keeping them healthy. If you want to find one in your area, you can search on American College of Veterinary Nutrition But, you can do consults without them seeing your pup...they would speak with your vet and get records. Good advice too from 107barney ... an internal med specialist is invaluable when dealing with illnesses like this. Good luck and please keep us posted. If I can help in any way, feel free to message me.
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04-25-2013, 03:53 PM | #6 |
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| I agree with lady jane and Cathy. If you want to cook you MUST get a nutritionist that specializes in pet nutrition. I have just gone through this very difficult decision process myself. Sam has renal disease. I did a lot of research and at this time I am feeding the hills k/d to him. He likes it and I am not sure if I am ready to take on the precision of cooking for a sick dog. My vet was so so about homecooking. He supports it but not for sick dogs.. and he made some valid points...one is like Cathy and Linda said, it is important to go to a reliable source
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04-25-2013, 03:59 PM | #7 | |
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The proof is in the pudding imho...my Cookie has done well now since Dec. 2011 .. Oh..I do think she would also have done well on the RC Low Fat...I just decided I wanted to home cook. But, bottom line, a vet is who should be advising you about diet...this bunk about vets not knowing nutrition is just that .. bunk. A vet nutritionist is a specialist with vast knowledge about pet nutrition in addition to knowing the illness that is being addressed. I have seen people who are human nutritionists dabble in nutrition for pets...I simply don't see how they could do that without the education. Scares me.
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04-25-2013, 04:46 PM | #8 |
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| Thank you for the advice. I'm actually kind of afraid to do the homecooking for a sick pup, but we have thought of hiring a vet nutritionist. We just got the diagnosis last night after a few tests, so we're looking into our options. Unfortunately, my husband spoke with the vet and he doesn't know what to ask in terms of food. I don't believe she's an internist. I'll have to ask her when we talk. It's good to know of one diagnosed and living well. My take on this is the rd diet or homecooking then. The food I mentioned won't work? I'll update when I can, I'll be talking to the vet on Monday which is when she's next in the office. Going to read ladyjane's link.
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04-25-2013, 05:31 PM | #9 |
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| Dany's home now. She seems in good spirits. She has some edema and is peeing frequently because of the steroid. I don't think we can have her sleep with us at least for now. The vet gave the hubs Hills ID because she did so well on it the last three days. Everything I've read said Hills RD. Ugh. I just want to do right by Dany.
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04-25-2013, 05:34 PM | #10 |
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| I have nothing against Hill's RX foods...they save lives. I just am not sure that I/D is the correct food for lymphangectasia. If you don't want to home cook, I suggest you ask about Royal Canin Low Fat. I had a couple of people share their stories with me when Cookie was first diagnosed...it gave me hope. I was just so frightened and really thought I was going to lose her. I will keep you and your Dany in my thoughts and prayers.
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04-26-2013, 04:42 AM | #11 |
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| Thank you, ladyjane. It is a scary diagnosis. The only reason I don't want to do the Hills is grain product in the food. Royal Canin would have the same issue. But, if we can't homecook for Dany, then I'll feed her what's best for her. If that food happens to be a grain food, so be it. I'm not sure why she put Dany on ID either other than the fact that it's wet food. But then I worry about her teeth. She's lost about seven teeth through dentals. Dany is a puppy mill survivor and wasn't in the best condition when we adopted her. We worked so hard to make sure she was healthy. What about treats? Are they no longer allowed? Or would a vet nutritionist make those recommendations as well?
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04-26-2013, 05:02 AM | #12 | |
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Yes, my vet nutrionist does advise me on treats! A couple here and there do no harm as long as they are within the guidelines of what is healthy. I don't actually give many treats anyway...but for Cookie, I simply give her a piece of sweet potato for a treat and she loves it. Her basic diet (without supplements) is tilapia and sweet potatoes. I have a couple of puppy mill survivors...this is nothing you have done! One of mine, Olivia, has a protein losing enteropathy...hers is in her kidneys. Just something that happens. Dany is lucky to have you.
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04-26-2013, 05:03 AM | #13 |
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| Please listen to the posters above. You either need to follow your vets advice and feed what the vet recommended or else consult veterinary nutritionist and follow their advice. Lymphangectasia is very hard to get under control and doesn't have a great prognosis if they don't respond. It is not something to guess at. Columbo has PLE caused by severe IBD. Columbo's vet said that a novel protein (one they hopefully have not been exposed to yet) is a good place to start. He is on Royal Canin Hypoallergenic Select Protein PV (potato venison). He has PLE/severe IBD and almost died from it a month ago. Fortunately, his had not quite progressed to lymphangectasia yet (but was beginning to). If you decide to do a purchased food instead of home cooked, ask your vet about it. It is prescription and comes in canned and kibble. We have both for variety. Also, the canned is good for giving medication and the kibble is good for treats and travel. The food you mentioned was a chicken protein and I would think you should get away from that as the protein source. Regardless, you are correct that the diet is very important, so you definitely need to follow the vet or nutritionists advice. |
04-26-2013, 07:02 AM | #14 |
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| We are going to follow what our vet says and are looking into seeing a vet nutritionist. I sent a message to Dr. Karen Becker to see if she can personally recommend someone in our area. She writes about species appropriate diets. I also saw that chicken protein should be avoided. The problem with finding a novel protein is that we always switch up the protein. Our pups have had chicken, beef, turkey, fish, venison, duck, rabbit. Those are what I can remember off the top of my head. I don't think she's had bison. If I saw a new protein I put it in rotation to avoid food allergies and stomach upset. When someone tells us she's lucky to have us, I always respond we're lucky to have her. She's an awesome pup and I'm thankful the people who wanted to adopt her didn't after they found out she wasn't housetrained.
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04-26-2013, 07:04 AM | #15 |
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| Thanks for the link ladyjane. I'm reading it now.
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