Ellie's Bile Acid Recheck Results are in. - YorkieTalk.com Forums

Ellie May · 10-15-2007, 11:48 AM

and they are pretty well normal!!!!!1

I am sooooooooo happy.

Her ALT which tested at 118 last time is back down to 43.
Her preprandial bile acid last time was 4.1 and this time is about 8.
Her postprandial bile acid last time was 47 and is now 15.?.
She seemed to be getting a UTI but the urine looks good (we will culture anyway to make sure).
There is no need for an ultrasound or biopsy right now since those numbers are too low for a shunt and Ellie doesn't really have symptoms.
So we stay with the Denosyl, Vitamin E and diet change.
Now we have to talk about spaying her though.

The only concern is with possible MVD and the anesthesia and pain meds but we should be able to get around that.

I'm so relieved.

Vinnie's Mom · 10-15-2007, 11:50 AM

Congratulations on the wonderful news, that is so exciting!!!!

lara2913 · 10-15-2007, 11:51 AM

Thats great news, must be a real relief

mistyinca · 10-15-2007, 12:08 PM

That's wonderful.

I need to get Chloe's retest done sometime too.

Curious...had you made any changes to her diet, or just a retest at a later date?

Ladymom · 10-15-2007, 12:11 PM

I am so happy for you and Ellie!

Ellie May · 10-15-2007, 12:14 PM

Yes, we did change diet. We went to no more than 20% protein (or about 2-3 grams of protein per kg of body weight daily) in her food. The Royal Canin made her itchy so we switched to Dr. Dodds with egg instead of fish.

TLC · 10-15-2007, 02:02 PM

How exciting!

I was hoping for a miracle too with TJ and Roxy -
but we still have abnormal #s

August - Roxy
Pre = 43 and Post = 100.9

October
Pre = 10 and Post = 64

August - TJ
Pre = 10 and Post = 43

October
Pre = 67 and Post = 21.5

We are still sticking to a special diet and supplements. I will have their Bile Acids tested again in 3 months! I hope they go down even further!

Yorkieluv · 10-15-2007, 02:51 PM

Yeah!! So happy for you

irishmamma78 · 10-15-2007, 04:52 PM

Thatas wonderful im sure everyone is relieved
Megan

Ellie May · 10-16-2007, 08:49 AM

TLC, I'm sorry your results aren't better.

I am trying to decide now whether we will do a biopsy while Ellie is under to be safe. I"m leaning toward no just because I would probably have to take Ellie to a specialist for it which I want to avoid. I really like her vet now. Of course, if we need to do one we will but with numbers like these I don't know if we should. Since the lower protein diet is working anyway we can just do about 20% for her. That Should be acceptable for both a normal dog and one with liver disease with no HE symptoms. Besides there is some risk to the procedure...
Decisions, Decisions.

Kiwiglaze · 10-16-2007, 09:12 AM

Yipee!! So glad Ellie's numbers went down! You must be excited! I hope everything goes well with the spay.

ellie81 · 10-16-2007, 09:18 AM

THat's great! I'm so happy for Ellie and you

TLC · 10-16-2007, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellie May

TLC, I'm sorry your results aren't better.

I am trying to decide now whether we will do a biopsy while Ellie is under to be safe. I"m leaning toward no just because I would probably have to take Ellie to a specialist for it which I want to avoid. I really like her vet now. Of course, if we need to do one we will but with numbers like these I don't know if we should. Since the lower protein diet is working anyway we can just do about 20% for her. That Should be acceptable for both a normal dog and one with liver disease with no HE symptoms. Besides there is some risk to the procedure...
Decisions, Decisions.

I have to agree with you 100% - And even though Roxy's numbers are still high, I am not going to have a liver biospy done - To me it is way too invasive and she has been through enough with all her LP surgeries. She actually has to have one more and than that should be it as far as surgeries go. Both my Vet and Specialist are leaning towards MVD and there's nothing else to be done other than diet and supplements.

Best of Luck

Wylie's Mom · 10-16-2007, 09:32 AM

Yay yay yay!!!!! What a relief!

Ellie May · 10-16-2007, 09:36 AM

TLC, did you do a Protein C test on Roxy?

10-15-2007, 11:48 AM	#1
Ellie May YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 6,398	Ellie's Bile Acid Recheck Results are in. and they are pretty well normal!!!!!1 I am sooooooooo happy. Her ALT which tested at 118 last time is back down to 43. Her preprandial bile acid last time was 4.1 and this time is about 8. Her postprandial bile acid last time was 47 and is now 15.?. She seemed to be getting a UTI but the urine looks good (we will culture anyway to make sure). There is no need for an ultrasound or biopsy right now since those numbers are too low for a shunt and Ellie doesn't really have symptoms. So we stay with the Denosyl, Vitamin E and diet change. Now we have to talk about spaying her though. The only concern is with possible MVD and the anesthesia and pain meds but we should be able to get around that. I'm so relieved. __________________ Crystal and Ellie May

10-15-2007, 11:50 AM	#2
Vinnie's Mom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: PENNSYLVANIA Posts: 765	Congratulations on the wonderful news, that is so exciting!!!! __________________ Beth - Mom to Vinnie, the wonder-yorkie!

10-15-2007, 11:51 AM	#3
lara2913 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,922	Thats great news, must be a real relief __________________ Indy, Benjamin and Malachi There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face- Ben Williams

10-15-2007, 12:08 PM	#4
mistyinca I love my little Chloe! Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Eastvale, CA Posts: 4,137 Blog Entries: 1	That's wonderful. I need to get Chloe's retest done sometime too. Curious...had you made any changes to her diet, or just a retest at a later date? __________________ Misty See Chloe at Dogster Watch videos of Chloe at Youtube

10-15-2007, 12:11 PM	#5
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10-15-2007, 12:14 PM	#6
Ellie May YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 6,398	Yes, we did change diet. We went to no more than 20% protein (or about 2-3 grams of protein per kg of body weight daily) in her food. The Royal Canin made her itchy so we switched to Dr. Dodds with egg instead of fish. __________________ Crystal and Ellie May

10-15-2007, 02:02 PM	#7
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 4,259	How exciting! I was hoping for a miracle too with TJ and Roxy - but we still have abnormal #s August - Roxy Pre = 43 and Post = 100.9 October Pre = 10 and Post = 64 August - TJ Pre = 10 and Post = 43 October Pre = 67 and Post = 21.5 We are still sticking to a special diet and supplements. I will have their Bile Acids tested again in 3 months! I hope they go down even further! __________________ Nicole *"You Won't Change the World by Saving One Animal..BUT...You Will Change the World for that One"*

10-15-2007, 02:51 PM	#8
Yorkieluv Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,981	Yeah!! So happy for you __________________ Miko 's his Mommy

10-15-2007, 04:52 PM	#9
irishmamma78 YT Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: virginia Posts: 260	Thatas wonderful im sure everyone is relieved Megan

10-16-2007, 08:49 AM	#10
Ellie May YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 6,398	TLC, I'm sorry your results aren't better. I am trying to decide now whether we will do a biopsy while Ellie is under to be safe. I"m leaning toward no just because I would probably have to take Ellie to a specialist for it which I want to avoid. I really like her vet now. Of course, if we need to do one we will but with numbers like these I don't know if we should. Since the lower protein diet is working anyway we can just do about 20% for her. That Should be acceptable for both a normal dog and one with liver disease with no HE symptoms. Besides there is some risk to the procedure... Decisions, Decisions. __________________ Crystal and Ellie May

10-16-2007, 09:12 AM	#11
Kiwiglaze Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 179	Yipee!! So glad Ellie's numbers went down! You must be excited! I hope everything goes well with the spay. __________________ Proud mom of Kiwi! ...and a new Biewer on the way!

10-16-2007, 09:18 AM	#12
ellie81 Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 5,107 Blog Entries: 1	THat's great! I'm so happy for Ellie and you __________________ Ellie and Bengi Bengi's Dogster President of the Spoiled Rotten Club Bengi Koda Jade

10-16-2007, 09:32 AM	#14
Wylie's Mom Marcel + Wylie = LOVE Donating Member Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 6,177 Blog Entries: 2	Yay yay yay!!!!! What a relief! __________________ ~o~o~o~o~o~o~My Goofy Blog: Velvet Lava Cafe~o~o~o~o~o~o~ Ann ~ Mom to Marcel Verdel Purcell & Wylie "Floop" Fitzsmudge We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals. ~ Immanuel Kant

10-16-2007, 09:36 AM	#15
Ellie May YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 6,398	TLC, did you do a Protein C test on Roxy? __________________ Crystal and Ellie May