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12-30-2006, 09:42 AM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: denver
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| your opinion....???? we just got our new furbaby a week ago and I took her to the vet and he said she has a hereditary inguinal hernia-which he said usually the breeders will pay for the surgery since their vet wouldve noticed it and their parents /grandparents/littermates most likely would have the same issue. I called the Jill and Larry Bougie, the breeders today-and he said he gave her to me for a discounted price already b/c they were leaving town and that he would opt to pay 1/2 the surgery cost to fix- Since my vet was confident that the other litters most likely would have this problem, or that the vet check initially should have found this (it's a big bump on the side of her belly that protrudes out further than the rest of her belly) it makes me think that this breeder tried to take me. she seemed really nice and had her babies *about 7 running around the house in diapers-and this was the first breeder I had met that didnt cage their babies, so i felt confident. I guess one of the redflags would have been when she said she didnt even know this one was pregnant, and my daughter said to me later-how did they know which of the males was the father then? I am so bummed, I am worried now about her health and well being and possibly being jipped by the breeder. what would you do? I told the guy that the initial vet-check wouldve shown this and even with the discount, I wouldnt have bought her because it would have meant a surgery to correct it and who wants to start off that way discount or not? --- grrrrr why is it so hard to find a good breeder? without paying a fortune? |
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12-30-2006, 09:48 AM | #2 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: america
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| i think you should let the baby get surgery. she shouldn't have to suffer from hernia pains because of the "breeder's" neglect. the breeder should pay at least half if not all but dont penalize your yorkie because of the breeder's neglect to correctly care for the pups. |
12-30-2006, 09:52 AM | #3 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: denver
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| yeah definately getting the surgery, just not sure how to handle the breeder... who seems so sneaky now |
12-30-2006, 09:57 AM | #4 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: america
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| im not sure how to handle the breeder. and yes she sounds like a rather sneaky person. maybe u should ask her the same question your sister asked you: "How do u know who the father is?" if she doesn't know for sure, then what is validity of the puppy papers? |
12-30-2006, 09:57 AM | #5 |
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| If you don't have anything in the health guarantee about genetic defects then I guess you need to be grateful that she offered to pay half. It is not fair by any means, but if you love the dog you'll get it done and deal with the breeder later. |
12-30-2006, 10:02 AM | #6 |
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| This kind of hernia is common in yorkies as I just had it in one of my litters. Sometimes if it is small it will just go away as they get older that is what many breeders told me anyway. I know of several good and well known breeders that get these from time to time and I do believe it is hereditary but it does not seem to cause them any pain and most of the time you can wait till the spay to have it fixed. Just keep an eye on it and everything should be fine. It should only cost you a bit more to have it done at the same time as the spay. |
12-30-2006, 10:08 AM | #7 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: denver
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| good idea to have the two surgeries in one... just makes me mad... so the vet made it sound like the mom or dad would have it, if you know of good breeders that throw puppies with this defect, I guess that isnt the case then? yorkies sure do have a lot of problems! I read about a bunch of their issues but didnt see this one oh well, I'll be glad it isnt life threatening and that she is perfectly healthy otherwise.... thanks for your help and ideas... i think it helps just to get it out there... |
12-30-2006, 10:13 AM | #8 | |
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__________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley | |
12-30-2006, 10:15 AM | #9 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: denver
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| yay they just called me back and agreed to pay for it in full!!!!! i guess they were good people after all!!! |
12-30-2006, 10:16 AM | #10 | |
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12-30-2006, 10:24 AM | #11 | |
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Congrats. Now you can take care of the surgery for this special little one. | |
12-30-2006, 10:30 AM | #12 |
No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida
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| hernias By the time it comes for spaying most have receded...please do not put your pup through surgery until spaying, unless it is severe..not seen one that needed surgery before spaying....and they are so simple to repair...and show me a line where a hernia does not pop up once in awhile..haven't found one. |
12-30-2006, 11:20 AM | #13 | |
Donating YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Silverton Oregon
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And it is true sometimes they just go away and that is what happened to the one I had, but the time it was 5 months it was gone. So don't worry about it and be glad that the breeders were there for you , you are very lucky to have breeders that care. | |
12-30-2006, 11:31 AM | #14 |
YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Jersey
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| It's a good thing you are a member of this group and have so many knowledgable people willing to help you. Unfortunately we sometimes give our vets more credit than they deserve. It's only natural. They went to school and they should be the experts but since they have to have a broader knowledge of many animals, they sometimes don't know the details like those that have only specialized in one breed. I'm glad the breeders have offered to step up. You might feel a little cheated in not knowing exactly who the father is but if you think about it, anyone can be untruthful. It is extra important if you will be breeding but if this is a pet, you really don't need to register your puppy. I registered Debbie but looking back on it, I don't know why I bothered to give the AKC $15 when there was never any doubt that she would be spayed. |
12-30-2006, 11:34 AM | #15 |
YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North eastern Illinois Suburbs
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| I don't know that it's hard to find a good breeder. Assuming you know what to look for and how to read people fairly well. There are some out there that on the surface look and sound great, but when you look into detail about their history and record keeping, it's a big red flag. Just because a breeder doesn't crate their dogs now and again doesn't make them a good home. That's just icing on the cake. And I think we ALL love our Yorkies. Even those that run puppy mills...granted, it's a very different kind of love (imo) than many of us here have w/ ours because they're raised in our homes and often share our beds and sometimes tidbits too, but nonetheless, they love their dogs. Again, these don't make it a good home, imo. They're just basic neccessities that come w/ pet ownership, or should anyway. You really want to always take a look at your contract w/ your breeder. Much like buying a new car. Do you know to ask about GAP insurance? You know to look over and make sure the numbers add up before driving it off the lot and so on....same w/ paying $$ for a dog. I DON'T CARE if you're breeding or showing or you just want a healthy pet. These guarantees save your rear in the end. Much like asking for child support-(sorry for all the analogies!)the breeders should have a responsibility TO SOME DEGREE in what they produce. Especially if your puppy comes from a repeat breeding. Do you even know if he/she did? Did you ask about the previous litter? Any photos or references to how they turned out? Animal Husbandry shouldn't be taken lightly. Recessive genes pop up and "accidents" happen. The only two people that can be held accountable in these cases are the breeder and the potential buyer. And a breeder worth going to is a breeder that knows at least a little something about genetics; ressesive genes within her line from exposure and research AND strives to CORRECT them even if it means heartache; and has a fabulous contract to send new puppies home w/. |
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