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red98vett · 07-11-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by whispersmom2

Betcha the 5 year guarantee says another puppy of like value and they count on the buyer being so drained and heartbroken that they would rather eat the finances than to get another puppy from the same breeder that might have the same problems.
If they had to fork out the purchase price of the puppy--several times over,--they might think more about their breeding practices..

I agree - and since they sell to Petland - and the contract probably changes the minute the puppies change hands ...only to sit in yet another cage...it's a very sad business.

jesscruz · 07-11-2005, 06:03 PM

WOW! i don't know what to say about this subject anymore. as i was browsing this site and looking at the "kennal" pictures it does appear to be fairly clean and high tech so to speak..but it still doesn't make it okay to me. i just can't imagine giving birth after birth after birth,i have 2 girls,do you think i would want to feel that pain time after time i don't think so.what gives us the right to do that to a dog?i am so surprised that there isn't a law in place that states how many times you can breed a female before it's considered animal cruelty. to me the dogs can be in a 5 star hotel,and you would think that the dogs are happy because their in this enviorment,but what's the use of putting them in such a "good" enviorment when all your going to do is breed her to death!i mean do people really think that these dogs are happy?i would bet that if a dog could talk it would tell you that it would rather live in a 1 star hotel with a steady loving family and not be bred to death than to live in luxary and be a baby slave.jmho in this matter.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 07-11-2005, 06:06 PM

His FAQ section is worth reading.

http://www.puppyhavenkennel.com/

When you at the home page there is a list on the left. Click on FAQ.

YorkieRose · 07-11-2005, 06:07 PM

Okay, it is not a puppy mill, it is a puppy factory.

IMO..anyone who thinks this is an ideal place to breed/gestate/whelp/rear pups is has no clue as to what they are talking about. Breeder states hybrids rarely have health problems, in what world do they live..not this one?

whispersmom2 · 07-11-2005, 06:11 PM

If a puppy mill is cleaned up is it more than a cleaner puppymill? Not in my book. Dogs who live on the wire that USDA requires as floors in those cages have been so crippled when they are rescued that they cannot walk in many instances. So, clean that up and you still have a poor crippled dog/bitch stumbling around on cleaner wire. Does that make the dogs feet heal? Are they less crippled when they are retired? JMHO

iheartyorkies · 07-11-2005, 06:12 PM

I posted earlier that I was horrified by what I saw on that site. I stand by that. There is no way that they have happy well adjusted dogs. Villette, you said it, they keep those dogs in cages, they breed breed breed and then they die. Dogs are social animals. They love people. The dogs there must have their heart broken a dozen times a day as people pass by and don't even offer an ounce of human kindness or attention. How do I know this you ask? C'mon, common sense tells me that it's impossible with that many dogs to give each one the attention it craves. Cruelty in any form, to animals or humans, makes me sick to my stomach. Yes, I am horrified.

sgraff · 07-11-2005, 06:13 PM

What is up with mixing all these breeds? If you ask me, it's creepy mixing these breeds all around. They have the head of one thing and the body type of another. Eck!

red98vett · 07-11-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by iheartyorkies

I posted earlier that I was horrified by what I saw on that site. I stand by that. There is no way that they have happy well adjusted dogs. Villette, you said it, they keep those dogs in cages, they breed breed breed and then they die. Dogs are social animals. They love people. The dogs there must have their heart broken a dozen times a day as people pass by and don't even offer an ounce of human kindness or attention. How do I know this you ask? C'mon, common sense tells me that it's impossible with that many dogs to give each one the attention it craves. Cruelty in any form, to animals or humans, makes me sick to my stomach. Yes, I am horrified.

I know Cynthia - I see those sites and actually was in one for cocker spaniels - ( I didn't know it at the time - small scale but a mill all the same) The smell and noise was unreal.

Then I look at my babies happy faces and think to myself - there would NEVER be a happy face in those places. Never...unless they were getting out of it.

ReconsMomma · 07-11-2005, 06:31 PM

This place is only about 35 min north of me. I am thinking about going and checking it out when everything settles down around here.

brosie1823 · 07-11-2005, 06:33 PM

I personally think that the person running that is delusional if they think that dogs want to be treated like that.

MeganS · 07-11-2005, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jesscruz

WOW! i don't know what to say about this subject anymore. as i was browsing this site and looking at the "kennal" pictures it does appear to be fairly clean and high tech so to speak..but it still doesn't make it okay to me. i just can't imagine giving birth after birth after birth,i have 2 girls,do you think i would want to feel that pain time after time i don't think so.what gives us the right to do that to a dog?i am so surprised that there isn't a law in place that states how many times you can breed a female before it's considered animal cruelty. to me the dogs can be in a 5 star hotel,and you would think that the dogs are happy because their in this enviorment,but what's the use of putting them in such a "good" enviorment when all your going to do is breed her to death!i mean do people really think that these dogs are happy?i would bet that if a dog could talk it would tell you that it would rather live in a 1 star hotel with a steady loving family and not be bred to death than to live in luxary and be a baby slave.jmho in this matter.

you said it!!! and villette-you did too! i agree with both of you and i think you are both right on!

azkaty · 07-11-2005, 06:37 PM

Every time I see PET STORE.. it makes my blood boil..I jsut think of the 9 pills times 2 a day I give my Charlie-- who has seizures, hip dysplasia , catarack and thyroid ..all by 3 years of age. It is so unfair to these creatures to have them go thru this all for the sake of profit to be made by these places.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 07-11-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by iheartyorkies

I posted earlier that I was horrified by what I saw on that site. I stand by that. There is no way that they have happy well adjusted dogs. Villette, you said it, they keep those dogs in cages, they breed breed breed and then they die. Dogs are social animals. They love people. The dogs there must have their heart broken a dozen times a day as people pass by and don't even offer an ounce of human kindness or attention. How do I know this you ask? C'mon, common sense tells me that it's impossible with that many dogs to give each one the attention it craves. Cruelty in any form, to animals or humans, makes me sick to my stomach. Yes, I am horrified.

Cynthia~

I would never discount your concerns and I respect your opinion so I do not take them lightly. The kennel owner addresses your questions in his FAQ section.

Everyone:

I am not defending him. His operation simply does not fit my definition of a puppymill. He does not breed and breed and breed the females until they die. He says he has strict policies on this. Maybe I am just naive, but I don't think so. I have a pretty good sense for when I am being decieved and I don't think this website is deceptive.

The puppymills I want to concentrate on stopping are the ones that mistreat the animals and have deplorable and filthy living conditions with wide spread disease and stagnant water bowls and no health care provided. I don't see that here. That is all I am saying.

This guy breeds only purebred dogs to get the hybrids. He does not keep any of the hybrid puppies produced for breeding. There are a lot of vets who will support his contention that purebred dogs have more health issues than mixed breed dogs.

I am as adamantly opposed to puppymills as anyone and I am passionate about putting them out of business. At first glance, this breeder does not look like a puppymill to me. I hope everyone can respect that this is just my opinion.

We have much bigger and worse fish to fry....that's all I'm saying.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 07-11-2005, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ReconsMomma

This place is only about 35 min north of me. I am thinking about going and checking it out when everything settles down around here.

Kelly~

That would be great. I for one would really like to know your evaluation of the place. You are well respected by everyone here and you are what I would consider an authority on animal care and training. If you called it a puppymill after your inspection then I would agree and work to close it down!

ReconsMomma · 07-11-2005, 06:44 PM

Im going to go check it out as soon as things settle down around here. I will let you know what I think. Should be a day or 2 or maybe even tomorrow since things with my gramma are improving.

07-11-2005, 06:03 PM	#17
jesscruz YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: seaside,ca Posts: 1,764	WOW! i don't know what to say about this subject anymore. as i was browsing this site and looking at the "kennal" pictures it does appear to be fairly clean and high tech so to speak..but it still doesn't make it okay to me. i just can't imagine giving birth after birth after birth,i have 2 girls,do you think i would want to feel that pain time after time i don't think so.what gives us the right to do that to a dog?i am so surprised that there isn't a law in place that states how many times you can breed a female before it's considered animal cruelty. to me the dogs can be in a 5 star hotel,and you would think that the dogs are happy because their in this enviorment,but what's the use of putting them in such a "good" enviorment when all your going to do is breed her to death!i mean do people really think that these dogs are happy?i would bet that if a dog could talk it would tell you that it would rather live in a 1 star hotel with a steady loving family and not be bred to death than to live in luxary and be a baby slave.jmho in this matter. __________________ mommy's little baby coco bear

07-11-2005, 06:07 PM	#19
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	site Okay, it is not a puppy mill, it is a puppy factory. IMO..anyone who thinks this is an ideal place to breed/gestate/whelp/rear pups is has no clue as to what they are talking about. Breeder states hybrids rarely have health problems, in what world do they live..not this one? __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

07-11-2005, 06:12 PM	#21
iheartyorkies Boppin' Bo! Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,707	I posted earlier that I was horrified by what I saw on that site. I stand by that. There is no way that they have happy well adjusted dogs. Villette, you said it, they keep those dogs in cages, they breed breed breed and then they die. Dogs are social animals. They love people. The dogs there must have their heart broken a dozen times a day as people pass by and don't even offer an ounce of human kindness or attention. How do I know this you ask? C'mon, common sense tells me that it's impossible with that many dogs to give each one the attention it craves. Cruelty in any form, to animals or humans, makes me sick to my stomach. Yes, I am horrified. __________________ ~~~ i yorkies ~~~ Bo's Dogster Page: www.dogster.com/?136971 Cynthia Turbo!

07-11-2005, 06:13 PM	#22
sgraff Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bismarck, ND Posts: 102	mixing all these breeds? What is up with mixing all these breeds? If you ask me, it's creepy mixing these breeds all around. They have the head of one thing and the body type of another. Eck! __________________ Sheila Mom to Sugar Babie, Lee and Gina "Dogs are not our whole lives, but they make our lives whole"

07-11-2005, 06:33 PM	#25
brosie1823 Linus - Master & Commander Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 917	I personally think that the person running that is delusional if they think that dogs want to be treated like that. __________________ Linus on Dogsterhttp://www.dogster.com/?150058 Lucy on Dogster http://www.dogster.com/?150061 Check out our bows! www.littledogbows.com

07-11-2005, 06:06 PM	#18
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	His FAQ section is worth reading. http://www.puppyhavenkennel.com/ When you at the home page there is a list on the left. Click on FAQ.

07-11-2005, 06:11 PM	#20
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	If a puppy mill is cleaned up is it more than a cleaner puppymill? Not in my book. Dogs who live on the wire that USDA requires as floors in those cages have been so crippled when they are rescued that they cannot walk in many instances. So, clean that up and you still have a poor crippled dog/bitch stumbling around on cleaner wire. Does that make the dogs feet heal? Are they less crippled when they are retired? JMHO

07-11-2005, 06:31 PM	#24
ReconsMomma BANNED! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Janesville WI Posts: 2,483	This place is only about 35 min north of me. I am thinking about going and checking it out when everything settles down around here.

07-11-2005, 06:37 PM	#27
azkaty Donating YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 483	Every time I see PET STORE.. it makes my blood boil..I jsut think of the 9 pills times 2 a day I give my Charlie-- who has seizures, hip dysplasia , catarack and thyroid ..all by 3 years of age. It is so unfair to these creatures to have them go thru this all for the sake of profit to be made by these places. __________________ Katy

07-11-2005, 06:44 PM	#30
ReconsMomma BANNED! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Janesville WI Posts: 2,483	Im going to go check it out as soon as things settle down around here. I will let you know what I think. Should be a day or 2 or maybe even tomorrow since things with my gramma are improving.