Has anyone heard of Continental Kennel Club?

[stmarysmama1]

Are they good .. or is that the one that will take any dog?
thanks all

[GG3]

Not sure about the differ. I might have read that they have not been around along as the AKA. Not sure. Any other info would be great to know.

[MyFairLacy]

It's not a good registry. They'll basically take any dog. All you have to do is send in money, a picture, and have two witnesses claim the dog is that breed..and the witnesses can be anyone

[Ladymom]

When the AKC got tough and started requiring DNA to prove that a dog was purebred, a lot of "alternative" registries started popping up. They are mostly used by backyard breeders, puppy mills, people who have been suspended from the AKC, etc.

They are known as "paper" registries because that's all you are getting for your money - a piece of paper. As MyFairLacy said, all you have to do to register your dog with one of these registries is submit a photograph and have two people say that your dog is purebred. These two people can be anybody - a friend, neighbor or your Uncle Harry!

Oh, and the money. Don't forget to send the money!

CKC - "Continental Kennel Club" ( do not confuse with Canadian Kennel Club! )

CKC will recognize a cross between any two purebred dogs, and will issue a registration certificate on their offspring. These crosses are not registered as purebred dogs but are registered as the offspring of purebred dogs. CKC accepts no responsibility for any inaccurate, false, or fraudulent information submitted on registration applications. They sponsor no shows or championships. They also give big fee breaks to large kennels registering lots of dogs ( such as "commercial breeding farms" - also known as "Puppy Mills" ). Will register dogs not registered with other recognized registries. If other kennel club papers are not available, the dog owner must provide two witnesses who can verify the accuracy and truthfulness of the information listed on the application.

http://www.winddreamer.net/labfiles/...egistries.html

[jen0225]

Please just remember that unless you are planning to breed it really doesn't matter what registry you use, if any at all, because getting a dog that is AKC registered doen't mean it will be a good/well bred dog & getting one registered with CKC (or any of the other registries) doesn't mean it is a bad/poorly bred dog. Please purchase for temperment not registry. The most important part of getting a dog/puppy is to have a happy healthy baby, registered or not.

[Anna Banana]

Originally Posted by jen0225

Please just remember that unless you are planning to breed it really doesn't matter what registry you use, if any at all, because getting a dog that is AKC registered doen't mean it will be a good/well bred dog & getting one registered with CKC (or any of the other registries) doesn't mean it is a bad/poorly bred dog. Please purchase for temperment not registry. The most important part of getting a dog/puppy is to have a happy healthy baby, registered or not.

Although you can't guarantee an AKC dog is a well bred dog, you can guarantee that a CKC dog is a badly bred one. Since CKC has no conformation trials, no CKC dog can be proven to be representing the breed standard. Not to say that a CKC dog won't be a great dog, and a wonderful pet, but a lot of people want to support high quality yorkie breeders when they buy a puppy. Even the AKC breeders that don't show at least have ancestors that were shown. Also, AKC cares about more than money, so there are much fewer mixes registered as purebreds, much fewer puppymills, etc.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Anna Banana

Although you can't guarantee an AKC dog is a well bred dog, you can guarantee that a CKC dog is a badly bred one. Since CKC has no conformation trials, no CKC dog can be proven to be representing the breed standard.

Wow, that's an unfair, mistruth if I ever heard one! You can't just assume that because a dog is CKC reg it is poorly bred! Nor does that mean they aren't good representation of the breed. I have a CKC female who I bred to a dual reg male. I had her evaluated by several 'experts' (show breeders and judges) before even considering breeding her. I did everything I could to make sure she was a 'quality representation' of the breed. So you can't always judge a book by it's cover.
You can get dishonest breeders and poorly bred dogs with ANY registry.
Sorry, but for those who do take the time to go about breeding the right way, comments like that are quite insulting.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Wow, that's an unfair, mistruth if I ever heard one! You can't just assume that because a dog is CKC reg it is poorly bred! Nor does that mean they aren't good representation of the breed. I have a CKC female who I bred to a dual reg male. I had her evaluated by several 'experts' (show breeders and judges) before even considering breeding her. I did everything I could to make sure she was a 'quality representation' of the breed. (Not to mention that 2 gens back she WAS AKC reg.) So you can't always judge a book by it's cover.
You can get dishonest breeders and poorly bred dogs with ANY registry.
Sorry, but for those who do take the time to go about breeding the right way, comments like that are quite insulting.

[jen0225]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Wow, that's an unfair, mistruth if I ever heard one! You can't just assume that because a dog is CKC reg it is poorly bred! Nor does that mean they aren't good representation of the breed. I have a CKC female who I bred to a dual reg male. I had her evaluated by several 'experts' (show breeders and judges) before even considering breeding her. I did everything I could to make sure she was a 'quality representation' of the breed. So you can't always judge a book by it's cover.
You can get dishonest breeders and poorly bred dogs with ANY registry.
Sorry, but for those who do take the time to go about breeding the right way, comments like that are quite insulting.

I AGREE - my AKC registered male was unhealthy & his breeder was/is horrible. The male I have now is CKC registered and he is healthy, beautiful & right on track to fit the "breed standard" perfectly. I would rather deal with a good breeder thru CKC than someone like the AKC approved puppymill I had the misfortune of dealing with my first go around!

[mminichan]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Wow, that's an unfair, mistruth if I ever heard one! You can't just assume that because a dog is CKC reg it is poorly bred! Nor does that mean they aren't good representation of the breed. I have a CKC female who I bred to a dual reg male. I had her evaluated by several 'experts' (show breeders and judges) before even considering breeding her. I did everything I could to make sure she was a 'quality representation' of the breed. So you can't always judge a book by it's cover.
You can get dishonest breeders and poorly bred dogs with ANY registry.
Sorry, but for those who do take the time to go about breeding the right way, comments like that are quite insulting.

Well said! People can't just assume CKC is bad bred!!!! That is sooo untrue!

[MyTrixie143]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

When the AKC got tough and started requiring DNA to prove that a dog was purebred, a lot of "alternative" registries started popping up. They are mostly used by backyard breeders, puppy mills, people who have been suspended from the AKC, etc.

They are known as "paper" registries because that's all you are getting for your money - a piece of paper. As MyFairLacy said, all you have to do to register your dog with one of these registries is submit a photograph and have two people say that your dog is purebred. These two people can be anybody - a friend, neighbor or your Uncle Harry!

Oh, and the money. Don't forget to send the money!

CKC - "Continental Kennel Club" ( do not confuse with Canadian Kennel Club! )

CKC will recognize a cross between any two purebred dogs, and will issue a registration certificate on their offspring. These crosses are not registered as purebred dogs but are registered as the offspring of purebred dogs. CKC accepts no responsibility for any inaccurate, false, or fraudulent information submitted on registration applications. They sponsor no shows or championships. They also give big fee breaks to large kennels registering lots of dogs ( such as "commercial breeding farms" - also known as "Puppy Mills" ). Will register dogs not registered with other recognized registries. If other kennel club papers are not available, the dog owner must provide two witnesses who can verify the accuracy and truthfulness of the information listed on the application.

http://www.winddreamer.net/labfiles/...egistries.html

Sorry but this is untrue according to their site.

Taken right off their site:
"Does Continental Kennel Club sponsor dog events or dog shows?
Yes, CKC sponsors performance events."
And Conformation is on of their sponsered events. They even have the rules posted for conformation.
http://www.continentalkennelclub.com...tion_1105.aspx

I also see no where on their site where they state that they accept mix breeds. Maybe it is there but I haven't seen it.

Also if the dog's parentage is questioned they DO DNA.
Taken off their site:
"Does CKC use DNA testing for determining canine parentage?
Yes, when questions arise about the parentage of a dog."
Here is where their rules are listed.
http://www.continentalkennelclub.com/Rules.aspx
They will revoke your registration and membership if you do not follow the rules.
Take a look at their rules, you would be pretty surprised at what all the rules are. They do have rules and standards alot like AKC.
Oh and another thing I found interesting is that with CKC if you wanted to you CAN have the registration limited on a dog or off spring.
Taken from their site:
"CKC Preferred Breeders will be able to assign a puppy that they produced a Limited Registration which means that the puppy will not be able to produce offspring registerable through CKC and will not be able to compete in any conformation events. Limited Registrations give the Preferred Breeders more choices for their registration needs."


Sorry I just hate that people think so lowly of CKC dogs. I am not for one registry over the other. But I have seen some great representatives of the breed in both CKC and AKC registrations as well as very poor representatives in both CKC and AKC.

I would say AKC is still a little more strict but CKC is improving. They do a lot more than most people think. They are nothing like ACA that will take anything.

[MyTrixie143]

I forgot to add that CKC does have a code of ethics and they do do inspections.
Taken from their site:
"Submit to random inspections of your facilities. In order to ensure that breeders in this program are using our guidelines correctly and raising dogs in a healthy environment, we must be able to check your breeding grounds from time to time."

[PMede77911]

The CKC is a good registry, they do not just let you send in any papers and register under them. They require that they be purebred and that dams owner certify when bred, with whom, and of course of the the get from a breeding.

They do allow I believe, the father being from some other reputable registry.
As for two witnesses saying an outside of the CKC registry bred dog would be with breeder and vet being reliable witnesses. In any case, they do not have a large membership in New England like the AKC in NY does. Nor have they been around as long.

You can get pedigrees, memership, webiste, magazine, books on your particular interest etc on their website.

I have CKC male 3yr old, who has studded and a CKC female almost a year old whom I would like to breed shortly with healthy, sound, well marked approx 4 lb yorkie male in Massachusetts. Only have a litter a year, this is her first. The get will go CKC as this registry is most particular that the female breeder is listed in their registry. In fact the breeder of my male gave me his parents infor so I could get an ancestry pedigree and I send them in. They wouldn't even accept it, requested the original breeder request it only as she owned the those dogs, so they can be very picky about some things.
Good luck and oh the CKC does not do many sanctioned dog shows in N E area as yet so if that is a priority on your puppy's to do list may have to travel a little south for their matches.

Have a good new year!
Pat Medeiros
pmede77911@comcast.net

[donnarod]

[quote=stmarysmama1;1625802]Are they good .. or is that the one that will take any dog?
thanks all[/quote

I bought Tricksie and she is a registered Yorkshire Terrier, she is registered with the Continental Kennel Club. I was not interested in breeding.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by MyTrixie143

Sorry but this is untrue according to their site.

Taken right off their site:
"Does Continental Kennel Club sponsor dog events or dog shows?
Yes, CKC sponsors performance events."
And Conformation is on of their sponsered events. They even have the rules posted for conformation.
http://www.continentalkennelclub.com...tion_1105.aspx

I also see no where on their site where they state that they accept mix breeds. Maybe it is there but I haven't seen it.

Also if the dog's parentage is questioned they DO DNA.
Taken off their site:
"Does CKC use DNA testing for determining canine parentage?
Yes, when questions arise about the parentage of a dog."
Here is where their rules are listed.
http://www.continentalkennelclub.com/Rules.aspx
They will revoke your registration and membership if you do not follow the rules.
Take a look at their rules, you would be pretty surprised at what all the rules are. They do have rules and standards alot like AKC.
Oh and another thing I found interesting is that with CKC if you wanted to you CAN have the registration limited on a dog or off spring.
Taken from their site:
"CKC Preferred Breeders will be able to assign a puppy that they produced a Limited Registration which means that the puppy will not be able to produce offspring registerable through CKC and will not be able to compete in any conformation events. Limited Registrations give the Preferred Breeders more choices for their registration needs."


Sorry I just hate that people think so lowly of CKC dogs. I am not for one registry over the other. But I have seen some great representatives of the breed in both CKC and AKC registrations as well as very poor representatives in both CKC and AKC.

I would say AKC is still a little more strict but CKC is improving. They do a lot more than most people think. They are nothing like ACA that will take anything.

They clearly state on their website that they sponsor performance events. I find it misleading that they have a page about sponsoring conformation shows, when no actual conformation events are scheduled or have ever been conducted. I searched the entire site for past and upcoming events and only found performance events being held.

Their rules and regulations state that:

6. CONTINENTAL KENNEL CLUB accepts registration applications and issues certificates based on the honor and integrity of the owner/breeder applicants, and CKC accepts no responsibility for any inaccurate, false, or fraudulent information submitted on registration applications.

I would not personally put my faith in a registry that allows registration based upon the honor system. It appears that that are provisions for DNA testing if parentage is challenged, but it is not required as it is with the AKC.

I'm sure many very nice, honest people register their dogs with the CKC. Unfortunately, the honor system doesn't work with dishonorable people and that's why the registry is popular with backyard breeders and puppy mills.

Perhaps in the future if CKC conformation shows actually become a reality and DNA testing becomes mandatory, the perception of the CKC may change. It does appear that they appear to be attempting to improve their credibility, or at least the perception, unlike most of the other alternative registries.