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cj125 · 07-27-2006, 06:48 PM

I already have a bad feeling, but here goes...

We purchased our Mia from a local pet store, she is supposed to be "American Kennel Club Registerable". The pet store paper work says that "if your puppy is registerable, you will be notified by postcard when the registration papers have arrived, usually twelve weeks." I stopped in on Monday to see if they have arrived, and talked to 2 (child) managers who told me they had until Wednesday for it to be twelve weeks!!! (I was soooooooo angry

with their arrogant attitude - and I still haven't received a postcard) Anyway, is there any reason she wouldn't be registerable? And does anyone know how long it takes to get the paperwork?

I paid alot of money for her, and was led to believe that she could be bred... not that I am, but I thought that I was paying for that option. I have since learned sooo much about these pet stores being fronts for puppy mills (from YT) that it literally makes me feel ill. But, I now feel like I saved our little Mia and I'm happy for that.

Thanks in advance for your help

peanut · 07-27-2006, 06:53 PM

The only reason that you wouldn't get her AKC papers is if her parents were not AKC reg.. As for the pet store I would bug them everyday till they get them for you....I'm glad you recused her from there but they will probably try to not give you papers....Stay on them!

Amber_lv · 07-27-2006, 06:55 PM

I'm really sorry to hear about your troubles pet stores are notorious for bad treatment to both humans and animals. I would go back demand to speak with the owner and tell him you want the papers of a patial refund. I've never heard of them sending you a post card if the dog is registable because they know wether they are papered or not when they buy them from the mills. i think they are blowing a lot of huff and if they won't give you the papers or a refund tell them you will turn them in and get the media involved and see what they say to that. Good lucki and keep us posted!

peanut · 07-27-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Amber_lv

I'm really sorry to hear about your troubles pet stores are notorious for bad treatment to both humans and animals. I would go back demand to speak with the owner and tell him you want the papers of a patial refund. I've never heard of them sending you a post card if the dog is registable because they know wether they are papered or not when they buy them from the mills. i think they are blowing a lot of huff and if they won't give you the papers or a refund tell them you will turn them in and get the media involved and see what they say to that. Good lucki and keep us posted!

cj125 · 07-27-2006, 07:05 PM

OMG - you're right. I didn't even think about that.
Thanks so much ladies... I'll keep you posted.

mmyorkies · 07-28-2006, 06:20 AM

Odds are that the pup is NOT an AKC registered pup. The pet stores tell everyone that their puppies are papered and can be registered, but they neglect to tell you that the registery will be something like APR , or CKC, or some other new one. The millers are all using different, or making up new ones because AKC is making it harder for them to have so many litters registered. As sad as it is, mill puppies are usually not good quality, or healthy pups. Maybe only about 1 out of 25 end up being good healthy dogs that live long happy lives. Many end up dying, or having to be put down within 2 to 5 years of age, or have severe health problems. I can attest to that because my daughter got a pet store pup and at 14 months it had to be put down because it was having seizures continously, and a friend I have had a chi for 6 years and had to have her put down because of heart, and kidney problems, after years of medical treatments. On the other hand, I also have a friend that got a healthy pup, although much larger than she was supposed to be for a yorkie. It is like playing a roulette wheel when you buy from a pet store, unfortunately, everyone does not know about where the puppies in the pet shops come from, and who can resist a cute little puppy once you hold them, or see them in the little box looking so lonely and sad. I know I couldn't, which is why I stay out of pet shops, and try to convince eveyone I know NOT to patronize any petshop that sells live puppies/kittens.

YorkieRose · 07-28-2006, 11:30 AM

I do not like that sentence.."IF your puppy is registerable you will get a postcard"...most pet shop pups are no longer AKC..a few are, but very few.

When a broker or dealer goes to the commerical breeder to pick up pups for a shop, the breeder is required at that time to have papers in hand..most being APRI/CKC/ACA,...the papers are given to the shops when the pups are delievered..that is what the commericals breeders say on their forums. IN fact the can be fined by USDA for not having papers when the brokers picks up pups.
Good Luck to you...

sylvan · 07-28-2006, 04:31 PM

if you ever actually do get a set of akc papers from them...I would be willing to bet they don't even belong to the pup you bought....so I would probably spend the energy doing what you can to educate others about not buying from pet stores.

Rainy · 07-28-2006, 05:17 PM

AKC is really good about getting registration papers out. If you register a puppy online you would receive them in the mail in less than 2 weeks. The breeder is the only one who can do this. I think legally, if you request it, a pet store has to give you the name of the breeder. Maybe you can do some research on your own.

BLowry · 07-28-2006, 05:34 PM

I agree with everyone's post. I would make such a ruckus that they wouldn't forget me!! If you don't get the results that you want I would DEFINATELY threaten to turn them in. Once you start stirring the pot I believe you are going to find alot of mud! I would never buy from a pet store. I don't even go in the ones that sell puppies and kittens. I just feel so bad for them that I would like to buy them all. They just look so pitiful. You never know what you are getting either. I really hope that your little pup is healthy and good luck with the paper issue.

cj125 · 07-30-2006, 01:23 PM

Just wanted to "Thank" everyone for your advise. I found some information in her paperwork, but I'm not sure what I can find out with it. Any suggestions?

Here goes:
Breeder: Wanda J Shepard
Sire: Shepard's Travis Josie #TR331932/02
Dam: Shepard's Big Mint Boo Tiger #TR126336/02
Breed: Yorkshire Terrier
Puppy: Female Bk/Tan
Whelped: 02-28-06
Litter # TR482667/03
Registry: American Kennel Club Registerable
Chip #4749776937

I did get a "Certificate of Pedigree" but I don't know what one looks like to know if it's "real". It has 3 generations listed - some with DNA #'s

Thanks again!

cj125 · 07-30-2006, 01:26 PM

Oh, I forgot... Topknot found this for me:

Shepard, Wanda J
Shepards Kennel
7925 N W 400th Road
Appleton City 64724
Missouri 28797 43-A-4577

lolabella · 07-30-2006, 01:41 PM

Missouri is one of the states that is notorious about having puppy mills. Did you get your pup from a pet store chain?

Rainy · 07-30-2006, 04:06 PM

Okay, this looks as though the breeder did register the litter. I think now I would call the breeder and ask her if maybe she can help you. Tell her where you bought the dog and say that you are trying to track down the registration papers. Tell her that the pet store promised you papers but that they have not come up with any. (Breeders have to fill out the name of the person or business that they sold the dog to.) Ask her if she can look up the paper work and see who she might have sold the puppy to originally. At least maybe this way you can figure out who has the papers.
If you im me and give me your name and the name & address & phone number of the pet store where you bought the puppy from, I'll try to find the breeders phone number and call her. I'll call AKC too if I need more information. Let me know if you would like me to help.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cj125

Just wanted to "Thank" everyone for your advise. I found some information in her paperwork, but I'm not sure what I can find out with it. Any suggestions?

Here goes:
Breeder: Wanda J Shepard
Sire: Shepard's Travis Josie #TR331932/02
Dam: Shepard's Big Mint Boo Tiger #TR126336/02
Breed: Yorkshire Terrier
Puppy: Female Bk/Tan
Whelped: 02-28-06
Litter # TR482667/03
Registry: American Kennel Club Registerable
Chip #4749776937

I did get a "Certificate of Pedigree" but I don't know what one looks like to know if it's "real". It has 3 generations listed - some with DNA #'s

Thanks again!

JeanieK · 07-30-2006, 04:18 PM

Well it sounds to me like you have the paperwork. You can do the registration online, but there is a code number that you will need that says you have full registration rights, and a PIN. They should be on your Registration Application I have no clue what the postcard thing was all about.

The pedigree is just for your information.

07-27-2006, 06:48 PM	#1
cj125 Mia, Max and Moe's Mom Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 4,403	AKC papers? I already have a bad feeling, but here goes... We purchased our Mia from a local pet store, she is supposed to be "American Kennel Club Registerable". The pet store paper work says that "if your puppy is registerable, you will be notified by postcard when the registration papers have arrived, usually twelve weeks." I stopped in on Monday to see if they have arrived, and talked to 2 (child) managers who told me they had until Wednesday for it to be twelve weeks!!! (I was soooooooo angry with their arrogant attitude - and I still haven't received a postcard) Anyway, is there any reason she wouldn't be registerable? And does anyone know how long it takes to get the paperwork? I paid alot of money for her, and was led to believe that she could be bred... not that I am, but I thought that I was paying for that option. I have since learned sooo much about these pet stores being fronts for puppy mills (from YT) that it literally makes me feel ill. But, I now feel like I saved our little Mia and I'm happy for that. Thanks in advance for your help __________________ *Connie* Mia Max Moe

07-27-2006, 06:53 PM	#2
peanut Dogs Rule Cats Drool! Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 7,895	The only reason that you wouldn't get her AKC papers is if her parents were not AKC reg.. As for the pet store I would bug them everyday till they get them for you....I'm glad you recused her from there but they will probably try to not give you papers....Stay on them! __________________ KIM

07-27-2006, 06:55 PM	#3
Amber_lv Peeka Boo I See You! Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 7,161 Blog Entries: 3	I'm really sorry to hear about your troubles pet stores are notorious for bad treatment to both humans and animals. I would go back demand to speak with the owner and tell him you want the papers of a patial refund. I've never heard of them sending you a post card if the dog is registable because they know wether they are papered or not when they buy them from the mills. i think they are blowing a lot of huff and if they won't give you the papers or a refund tell them you will turn them in and get the media involved and see what they say to that. Good lucki and keep us posted! __________________ Peeka-Boo-Daisy-Designs <---Click Here Peeka's MyspaceDaisy's Myspace Peeka's Dogster

07-27-2006, 07:05 PM	#5
cj125 Mia, Max and Moe's Mom Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 4,403	OMG - you're right. I didn't even think about that. Thanks so much ladies... I'll keep you posted. __________________ *Connie* Mia Max Moe

07-28-2006, 11:30 AM	#7
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	akc I do not like that sentence.."IF your puppy is registerable you will get a postcard"...most pet shop pups are no longer AKC..a few are, but very few. When a broker or dealer goes to the commerical breeder to pick up pups for a shop, the breeder is required at that time to have papers in hand..most being APRI/CKC/ACA,...the papers are given to the shops when the pups are delievered..that is what the commericals breeders say on their forums. IN fact the can be fined by USDA for not having papers when the brokers picks up pups. Good Luck to you...

07-28-2006, 06:20 AM	#6
mmyorkies No Longer a Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 357	Odds are that the pup is NOT an AKC registered pup. The pet stores tell everyone that their puppies are papered and can be registered, but they neglect to tell you that the registery will be something like APR , or CKC, or some other new one. The millers are all using different, or making up new ones because AKC is making it harder for them to have so many litters registered. As sad as it is, mill puppies are usually not good quality, or healthy pups. Maybe only about 1 out of 25 end up being good healthy dogs that live long happy lives. Many end up dying, or having to be put down within 2 to 5 years of age, or have severe health problems. I can attest to that because my daughter got a pet store pup and at 14 months it had to be put down because it was having seizures continously, and a friend I have had a chi for 6 years and had to have her put down because of heart, and kidney problems, after years of medical treatments. On the other hand, I also have a friend that got a healthy pup, although much larger than she was supposed to be for a yorkie. It is like playing a roulette wheel when you buy from a pet store, unfortunately, everyone does not know about where the puppies in the pet shops come from, and who can resist a cute little puppy once you hold them, or see them in the little box looking so lonely and sad. I know I couldn't, which is why I stay out of pet shops, and try to convince eveyone I know NOT to patronize any petshop that sells live puppies/kittens.

07-28-2006, 04:31 PM	#8
sylvan YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 2,484	if you ever actually do get a set of akc papers from them...I would be willing to bet they don't even belong to the pup you bought....so I would probably spend the energy doing what you can to educate others about not buying from pet stores. __________________ Stacy and the crew

07-28-2006, 05:17 PM	#9
Rainy Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 207	AKC is really good about getting registration papers out. If you register a puppy online you would receive them in the mail in less than 2 weeks. The breeder is the only one who can do this. I think legally, if you request it, a pet store has to give you the name of the breeder. Maybe you can do some research on your own.

07-28-2006, 05:34 PM	#10
BLowry My furkids Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,625 Blog Entries: 1	I agree with everyone's post. I would make such a ruckus that they wouldn't forget me!! If you don't get the results that you want I would DEFINATELY threaten to turn them in. Once you start stirring the pot I believe you are going to find alot of mud! I would never buy from a pet store. I don't even go in the ones that sell puppies and kittens. I just feel so bad for them that I would like to buy them all. They just look so pitiful. You never know what you are getting either. I really hope that your little pup is healthy and good luck with the paper issue. __________________ Brenda Last edited by BLowry; 07-28-2006 at 05:36 PM.

07-30-2006, 01:23 PM	#11
cj125 Mia, Max and Moe's Mom Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 4,403	Just wanted to "Thank" everyone for your advise. I found some information in her paperwork, but I'm not sure what I can find out with it. Any suggestions? Here goes: Breeder: Wanda J Shepard Sire: Shepard's Travis Josie #TR331932/02 Dam: Shepard's Big Mint Boo Tiger #TR126336/02 Breed: Yorkshire Terrier Puppy: Female Bk/Tan Whelped: 02-28-06 Litter # TR482667/03 Registry: American Kennel Club Registerable Chip #4749776937 I did get a "Certificate of Pedigree" but I don't know what one looks like to know if it's "real". It has 3 generations listed - some with DNA #'s Thanks again! __________________ *Connie* Mia Max Moe

07-30-2006, 01:26 PM	#12
cj125 Mia, Max and Moe's Mom Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 4,403	Oh, I forgot... Topknot found this for me: Shepard, Wanda J Shepards Kennel 7925 N W 400th Road Appleton City 64724 Missouri 28797 43-A-4577 __________________ *Connie* Mia Max Moe

07-30-2006, 01:41 PM	#13
lolabella Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: . Posts: 493	Missouri is one of the states that is notorious about having puppy mills. Did you get your pup from a pet store chain? __________________

07-30-2006, 04:18 PM	#15
JeanieK Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 12,552	Well it sounds to me like you have the paperwork. You can do the registration online, but there is a code number that you will need that says you have full registration rights, and a PIN. They should be on your Registration Application I have no clue what the postcard thing was all about. The pedigree is just for your information.