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06-28-2006, 11:21 AM | #1 |
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| I bred my Gracie!!!! She is 16 months old. We bred her this past week, on days 10, 12 & 14. So, cross your fingers & toes that it took & she is a mommy-to-be!! I'm so excited, I can't hardly wait!!!!!! I went ahead & started her on a calcium supplement. I always feed her & Angel a couple of TBSP of cottage cheese everyday anyway, just as a "treat". But I thought it was wise to begin the PetCal now. It's been a week since her first tie, & my mentor said that after a couple of weeks, she may lose her appetite. HOWEVER, right now, she is eating more ravinously than ever before. WUWT????? |
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06-28-2006, 11:26 AM | #2 |
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| Never give a pregnant dog calcium supplements unless directed by a vet. They do need more calcium, but they will get this through eating more, not supplements. Calcium has to be given in a 2:1 ratio with phosphorus or it causes more harm than good. Some recommend it after whelping, but all the information I have read says not even then. |
06-28-2006, 11:28 AM | #3 |
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| From Hilltop Animal Hospital: Nutrition is also important during pregnancy. Ask your veterinarian to recommend a high?quality, balanced dog food. Don't give your dog vitamin or mineral supplements, especially calcium supplements, because these could cause a nutritional imbalance. For the first six weeks of the pregnancy, feed your dog her normal amount of food. Gradually increase the amount of food during the final three weeks of the pregnancy so your dog's caloric intake reaches 1.5 times its normal amount. You may need to offer several small meals during the last three weeks because your dog's uterus enlarges in late pregnancy, reducing the amount of food her stomach can hold. |
06-28-2006, 11:32 AM | #4 |
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| Wow. My vet is the one who said to give it to her. She actually said to start giving it to her as soon as I knew she was pregnant. How strange, because my vet also breeds chihuahuas. You would think she would know. ?? |
06-28-2006, 11:33 AM | #5 |
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| I would definitely question this vet's knowledge. Most believe that giving supplements during pregnancy will actually lead to a calcium deficiency and eclampsia when they start nursing. Here's a great site. Read this part and then follow the links and it will take you through the pregnancy, whelping, and puppy information. http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/breedingpregnancyguide.htm |
06-28-2006, 11:39 AM | #6 |
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| Maybe I spoke hastily - all the information does say "unless vet advised", but I still think I would bring this to the vet's attention, let us know what she says. Another from the internet, there is tons of them. A Word About Supplements Some veterinarians recommend giving dogs vitamins during pregnancy. Many veterinarians feel that if fed properly, the dog will receive sufficient nutrients through the diet. Either way, don’t add anything to your dog’s diet unless specifically instructed by your veterinarian. Excessive of certain vitamins or minerals can have devastating effects on mom and babies. Calcium is one supplement that deserves some special attention. Supplementing a pregnant dog is definitely not recommended. Giving calcium supplementation, especially late in pregnancy, has been linked to increasing the risk of eclampsia (low blood calcium) in nursing dogs. Excess calcium has also been linked to difficult deliveries, soft tissue calcium deposits in the puppies and certain joint abnormalities in the pups. For this reason, do not supplement your pregnant dog with calcium unless specifically instructed by your veterinarian. |
06-28-2006, 12:46 PM | #7 |
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| Just adding my vote to Lacys mom's posts.
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06-28-2006, 12:47 PM | #8 |
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| Thank you for the link, and for the wonderful information. I'm sure they put "unless specifically instructed by your vet. . " just to cover themselves for giving this information. I will definitely stop the calcium supplement. Is it still ok to give them the cottage cheese "treat" with their food? They have come to expect it, sadly. They stand by their bowls & just look at me until I get the container out of the frig. (spoiled, I know) |
06-28-2006, 12:47 PM | #9 |
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| Angelbaby’s mom congratulation! I wish everything is going to be fine with Gracie and her puppies! You should count 63 days from the first time they tied, but delivery may happen any time during 56-66 days after they first tied . And I’m agree with Lacy’s Mom , extra Calcium for a pregnant dog is not recommended especially for the first 3-4 weeks of pregnancy, because it can do more harm and cause nutritional imbalance. My girl maybe pregnant too now, I bred her approximately the same day as you did, so we have approximately same due date . How big is Gracie? I was reading a lot of information before finally agreed to bread my girl, the reason I asked, because in the book said: you should never bread the girl if she is smaller then 4,5-5 pounds, and it’s better when the boy is smaller than a girl., (when you breed them) it’s good for labor , otherwise she could end up with the c-section . So I wish you good luck, and keep us inform how is little Gracie doing? |
06-28-2006, 01:26 PM | #10 |
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| I don't actually give cottage cheese until after whelping, but if the cottage cheese doesn't cause any digestive upsets (and won't in most dogs) I don't see any reason to discontinue giving a small amount. Use the low fat kind. Although cottage cheese does provide calcium, it's not near as much as what a supplement would. Another dangerous supplement while pregnant is Vitamin A (liver has a very high content). Vitamin A overdose may be linked to cleft palates. |
06-28-2006, 01:27 PM | #11 |
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| congratulations!!!!!!!!!!! I am so excited for you. I bred my Silk this past Saturday, then twice more. I am hoping for August 26th babies. I am going to be holding my breath tho. last time Silk was bred, she didn't have any babies but i think it was the stud's fault. Yippeee!!!!!!!!!!! We are going to be grannies. |
06-28-2006, 02:05 PM | #12 |
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| Yes, Yes, out due date is August 25th (hopefully) |
06-28-2006, 02:15 PM | #13 |
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| looks like we have a few expectant yorkie mommies soon . . .keep us posted as I might be in the same boat some day . . . congratulations and best wishes to all! |
06-28-2006, 02:16 PM | #14 | |
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during her second pregnancy, I did not give her any calcium because I was warned against it. After she whelped, gave her calcium supplements off and on and gave her cottage cheese...pups were 8 days old and she got eclampsia. I tell ya what, it scared the **** out of me. After talking to a couple of breeders, since she did not get eclampsia first litter and I gave her low doses of calcium every day, they said I should go back to that method so that's what I'm planning on doing the next time I breed Gracie. With that said, each dog is different. Gracie has definitely NOT followed the great yorkie book since she has tried to prove me and everyone else wrong with everything.
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06-28-2006, 02:22 PM | #15 |
YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: El Paso, Texas
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| In TXShopper's experience, I too would probably supplement with my vet's approval. I guess this just goes to show there never is an answer that is 100% correct for 100% of dogs. |
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