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Sugar's Mom 05-17-2007 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1126492)
How can you make a statement like that without knowing me, Jeanie, Loretta or anyone else, for that matter...how can you possibly know why we have chosen to breed the partis and/or goldens?? Wouldn't it be very presumptuous for us to make a statement like this about you?
WHOA jeanie, I was making a blanket statement about the reason so many people are breeding these so called "designer" dogs such as all these colors that aren't standard and etc. You are right, I don't know any of you but you know as well as I do that breeders are in it for the money or to have a show dog. i don't care what they say.i have yet to make a nickel on mine to the clear but I can tell you right now that if there wasn't a possibility that I could get out of the hole, I would never breed another litter

JeanieK 05-17-2007 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by maybeiloveyou (Post 1126465)
So what you're saying is, you'd LIKE to take that risk that a Yorkie MAY be ill, just so you can get that adorable color you can't live without? Having a potentially ill Yorkie that is a nice non-standard color is so much better! In general, any off-colors are a cause of a genetic mutation and are a cause of concern. Any breedings of dogs with genetic mutations have to be approached cautiously.

Biewers are marketed as a different breed. They're not called, "Parti-colored Yorkies", they have been recognized by a kennel club and have their own distinction. There was a lot of research into the possible effects of this mutation and everything was done selectively and carefully.
Every breeder takes a risk every time they breed. Any litter MAY have puppies born with defects.e The risk of health issues is no greater among goldens or partis than it is among traditional coloreds.

Look at bulldog breeders, they know for certain that their dogs are going to have health issues. No Maybe about it.

Biewers are purebred yorkshire terriers, the same as the partis and the goldens. I personally don't care what they call them, I wish they would give them a different name. But the name does not change the fact that they are pure bred yorkies.

If you gave birth to a child with birth defects, you could give it away, change it's name, throw it in a dumpster, but it would not change the fact that it is your child.

lisatodd 05-17-2007 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1126512)
If you gave birth to a child with birth defects, you could give it away, change it's name, throw it in a dumpster, but it would not change the fact that it is your child.
no, but if you knew you were a carrier of a defect, you would not have a child risking it would get the defect.

JeanieK 05-17-2007 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Amber_lv (Post 1126484)
Sorry I was just curious i didn't know how the other colors were registered?:D
The AKC has assigned a color number that you write in, and you have to send pictures.

JeanieK 05-17-2007 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by baby03 (Post 1126505)
I am quite sure that the YTCA gets their information from solid reputable sources and its not something that they have dreamt up to stop less reputable breeders from cashing in!
And I am just as sure that they write things like that to discourage people from breed off colored yorkies.

baby03 05-17-2007 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1126529)
And I am just as sure that they write things like that to discourage people from breed off colored yorkies.


Yea that must be it.........:confused: I highly doubt it!

JeanieK 05-17-2007 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by lisatodd (Post 1126517)
no, but if you knew you were a carrier of a defect, you would not have a child risking it would get the defect.
Diabetics have babies all the time.

And I do not Know that these dogs have any greater risk of health issues. No one KNOWS that. some people claim to KNOW it, but the truth is, that know one does.

JeanieK 05-17-2007 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by baby03 (Post 1126533)
Yea that must be it.........:confused: I highly doubt it!

And I Highly Don't doubt it. You see both of us here are just dmaking assumptions based on our own beliefs.

Research. If you want facts, research. Don't just believe everything you read. You need to know who wrote it and where and how they got their information. Otherwise it is just someone making an ssumption.

Before you make statements, do your homework.

JeanieK 05-17-2007 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 1126508)
WHOA jeanie, I was making a blanket statement about the reason so many people are breeding these so called "designer" dogs such as all these colors that aren't standard and etc. You are right, I don't know any of you but you know as well as I do that breeders are in it for the money or to have a show dog. i don't care what they say.i have yet to make a nickel on mine to the clear but I can tell you right now that if there wasn't a possibility that I could get out of the hole, I would never breed another litter
I agree, and I laugh at those who claim not to be doing it for a profit. It's hard work.

bdbmamaw 05-17-2007 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1126553)
I agree, and I laugh at those who claim not to be doing it for a profit. It's hard work.
But I really didn't sell the 'golds' for profit. Honest... cross my heart, hope to die. :confused:

diva pup 05-17-2007 09:32 AM
I always wanted to ask this question...everyone has a reason for doing everything. If you are not breeding to better the breed and show then WHY do you breed? You say you are not making a profit so.....why do it?

JCarlson2004 05-17-2007 09:43 AM
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think Goldens, Chocolates and Partis are ADORABLE and I'd love to own one someday (variety, after all, is the spice of life :D). Every dog deserves a home, regardless of it's color. But if there are health/genetic risks involved (more than breeding a standard Yorkie), that's where my concern would be. I'd hate for a any dog to suffer just for me to enjoy a Golden or Chocolate Yorkie. :(

Honestly, this isn't a major issue for me because I'm not a breeder and probably never will be. I couldn't stand to let the babies go ... I'd end up being a major dog horder and you'd see me on Animal Plant. LOL They'd send the cops over to remove some of my dogs lol :D But I am curious about this because in the future (if GOD FORBID I ever lose one of my babies), I'll be in the market for more pupsters. Heck, I may even get a fourth dog one day (after we buy a house). So this is important info to know and thanks to everyone for posting their opinions about it.

lisatodd 05-17-2007 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by diva pup (Post 1126601)
I always wanted to ask this question...everyone has a reason for doing everything. If you are not breeding to better the breed and show then WHY do you breed? You say you are not making a profit so.....why do it?
great question:thumbup: :thumbup:

JeanieK 05-17-2007 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bdbmamaw (Post 1126575)
But I really didn't sell the 'golds' for profit. Honest... cross my heart, hope to die. :confused:

I was referring to show breeders who claim not to make a proft. How else do they pay for the cost of showing.

I believe you if you say you didn't sell for a profit. But I also believe there is nothing wrong with it.

JeanieK 05-17-2007 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by diva pup (Post 1126601)
I always wanted to ask this question...everyone has a reason for doing everything. If you are not breeding to better the breed and show then WHY do you breed? You say you are not making a profit so.....why do it?
Good question, I'm doing it to help with the cost of my husbands medical bills. And I hope to be able to pay off my house so when one of us dies, the other ones does not have to give up our home.


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