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baby03 05-17-2007 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by lisatodd (Post 1126335)
what she wrote is why someone would "purposely" breed a "golden" yorkie. why would you want to change the standard of a yorkie. soon we will have black yorkies, pure white yorkies, purple yorkies......if you want to ruin the standard of a dog, do it with another breed. leave the yorkshire terrier alone.

i am sorry but there are too many people out there doing this and it makes me very upset. they inflate the cost and call it "rare" when it is a flaw.
any respectable breeder would not do this or attempt this.

this is my opinion and i am sure, the opinion of many others
I agree with Lisa!! I have to add that there are also more health risks involved with these types of breedings!

JeanieK 05-17-2007 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by lisatodd (Post 1126335)
what she wrote is why someone would "purposely" breed a "golden" yorkie. why would you want to change the standard of a yorkie. soon we will have black yorkies, pure white yorkies, purple yorkies......if you want to ruin the standard of a dog, do it with another breed. leave the yorkshire terrier alone.

i am sorry but there are too many people out there doing this and it makes me very upset. they inflate the cost and call it "rare" when it is a flaw.
any respectable breeder would not do this or attempt this.

this is my opinion and i am sure, the opinion of many others
I guess I don't understand why this upsets people. No one is trying to change the standard. The traditional yorkies will still be there and still hold their place in the dog world. As #2 dog in the US, they are not likely to go away anytime soon.

Breeding the chocolates, or the partis or the goldens, has nothing to do with the standard of the traditional colored yorkies.

diva pup 05-17-2007 08:06 AM
The problem is that anyone who is a breed fancier or if you want to call it this, a "purist" would have some issues with breeding this type of yorkie. Unfortunately there have been many discussions on this site about these "off color" breedings.

Those of us that believe the yorkie should be bl/tan always end up getting bashed for our opinions. No one is denying that there are "off color" yorkies, I think the question for some of us is is why continue breeding a fault? Because they are unusual? Seems like a foolish reason to ruin a breed.

diva pup 05-17-2007 08:08 AM
Lisa, I could have just written...ya what she said LOL! I didn't see your post because I was writing my own.

JeanieK 05-17-2007 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by baby03 (Post 1126351)
I agree with Lisa!! I have to add that there are also more health risks involved with these types of breedings!
Really? Where did you read that? Has that been proven?

daisy mae06 05-17-2007 08:11 AM
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The problem is that anyone who is a breed fancier or if you want to call it this, a "purist" would have some issues with breeding this type of yorkie. Unfortunately there have been many discussions on this site about these "off color" breedings.

Those of us that believe the yorkie should be bl/tan always end up getting bashed for our opinions. No one is denying that there are "off color" yorkies, I think the question for some of us is is why continue breeding a fault? Because they are unusual? Seems like a foolish reason to ruin a breed.
I don't think you get bashed I think it is the otherway around.
People are going to what they'll do. Why argue it?

TammyJM 05-17-2007 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by diva pup (Post 1126360)
The problem is that anyone who is a breed fancier or if you want to call it this, a "purist" would have some issues with breeding this type of yorkie. Unfortunately there have been many discussions on this site about these "off color" breedings.

Those of us that believe the yorkie should be bl/tan always end up getting bashed for our opinions. No one is denying that there are "off color" yorkies, I think the question for some of us is is why continue breeding a fault? Because they are unusual? Seems like a foolish reason to ruin a breed.
Do you think that people ruined the breed by completey changing the look as what it originated...much larger, wiry coat....It seems there have been a lot of people along the way that have changed the look of Yorkies. I wouldn't consider the breed "ruined" because of what has been altered in those years anymore than what I considered it "runied" for breeding different colors.

lisatodd 05-17-2007 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1126336)
It is very interesting that people take the time to breed the different colors and even mix the different breeds to come up with new breeds. But thank God that people have taken the time and the expense and the gamble to do it.

If they hadn't we wouldn't have the adorabloe yorkies that we all love so much.
as you say" to come up with new breeds" then don't call them Yorkshire Terriers....give them a new breed name. as you say, new breed

i looked at the pictures in the above thread and these goldens doesn't even come near to looking like a yorkie. they look like mutts or a terrier to me. and when they are bred and called "rare" with the inflated prices is just "wrong"

lisatodd 05-17-2007 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by diva pup (Post 1126360)
The problem is that anyone who is a breed fancier or if you want to call it this, a "purist" would have some issues with breeding this type of yorkie. Unfortunately there have been many discussions on this site about these "off color" breedings.

Those of us that believe the yorkie should be bl/tan always end up getting bashed for our opinions. No one is denying that there are "off color" yorkies, I think the question for some of us is is why continue breeding a fault? Because they are unusual? Seems like a foolish reason to ruin a breed.
:thumbup: :thumbup:
this is definately ruining the breed when you purposely breed "off color" yorkies.

JeanieK 05-17-2007 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by diva pup (Post 1126360)
Because they are unusual? Seems like a foolish reason to ruin a breed.

I don't see why the "purists" believe that it is going to "ruin" the breed?

The traditional yorkie is still going to be there, the off coloreds will never be allowed to compete in the ring with them. So what is going to be "ruined"?

diva pup 05-17-2007 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by daisy mae06 (Post 1126381)
I don't think you get bashed I think it is the otherway around.
People are going to what they'll do. Why argue it?
You know why? Because it is just WRONG. This is not only my opinion and a few others but the opinion of the YTCA, this is who sets the breed standard.

Why do it would be the better question. If you do not like the look of a yorkie get another breed, One whos color you appreciate more than you do that of the purebred yorkshire terrier.

maybeiloveyou 05-17-2007 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1126379)
Really? Where did you read that? Has that been proven?
A lot of the times, coloring flaws such as a pure golden Yorkie or whatever indicate that something genetically is wrong. Like with certain white dogs, you get deafness because pigment is missing, so the breeders have to try really hard to overcome that.

I have a Yorkie book that says,

"The AKC doesn't recognize these colors and responsible breeders don't promote them because they may indicate a genetic problem that could affect the health and well-being of the dog. Some health problems associated with these colors include serious skin conditions, allergies, baldness, and sometimes prolonged illnesss.

If you're adopting an off-colored Yorkie, expect to pay less (or nothing at all) and be sure that the puppy has undergone careful health screening."

If you truly are breeding to expand the breed or improve it colorwise, it has to be done responsibly. It's like the Biewers, it's a gene mutation (I believe) and it were bred after a LOT of research. Gene mutations can cause all sorts of problems like the ones listed above and worse.

JeanieK 05-17-2007 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 1126385)
Do you think that people ruined the breed by completey changing the look as what it originated...much larger, wiry coat....It seems there have been a lot of people along the way that have changed the look of Yorkies. I wouldn't consider the breed "ruined" because of what has been altered in those years anymore than what I considered it "runied" for breeding different colors.
And I bet there were plenty of people back then that made the same argument. Well I for one am thankful for those who "ruined" the breed.

baby03 05-17-2007 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1126379)
Really? Where did you read that? Has that been proven?

Here you go ....
The AKC Breed Standard and YTCA Code of Ethics do not recognize any
other color dogs than noted above. This includes all gold, born blue, liver
(also known as red or chocolate), and parti-colors. One of the reasons for
avoiding breeding "off-colored" Yorkies is because it could be a genetic defect
that may affect the dog's health. Some health problems can include, but aren't
limited to, severe skin problems, allergies, total hair loss and in some cases
long-term illness and/or death.
.
A responsible breeder will not intentionally breed for undesirable traits.
On very rare occasions, a breeder will have a puppy born with a color anomaly.
That puppy should undergo careful health screenings before being placed in a
spay/neuter (non-breeding) home. A breeder should certainly never
promote these deviations as being desirable or rare.

JeanieK 05-17-2007 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by lisatodd (Post 1126387)
as you say" to come up with new breeds" then don't call them Yorkshire Terriers....give them a new breed name. as you say, new breed

i looked at the pictures in the above thread and these goldens doesn't even come near to looking like a yorkie. they look like mutts or a terrier to me. and when they are bred and called "rare" with the inflated prices is just "wrong"

They are Yorkshire Terriers because their parents are Yorkshire Terriers. Call them what you want. A rose by any other name is still a rose.


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