I personally do occassionally come here to read and every once in awhile post. It is a wonderful place to come here and learn more about this breed. But I do not attach my website or advertise my dogs. Alot of people come here, post on a thread or two and than start advertising their dogs right away. I believe that these people only come here for one reason to sell their dogs. I personally think the admin needs to change the policy for selling dogs on this forum. A person should have to be a member for so long and post on a descent amount of threads so that the members of this site get to know them better before they start selling their dogs right away.

Thanks for the info, Deana had told me about these tapes, I am really hoping to find someone just to watch and ask questions as they are grooming thier or my dog.

I see nothing wrong with show people placing ads here for their dogs instead of elsewhere. This is a step closer to what many "show people screen for" people already experience with the breed and that love this breed. That being said many of us didn't do our home work initially but with time have come to know what correct is. Why not show pet homes what better avenues are out there instead of your regular news paper puppy. Just cause we can't find you why can't you come out and try to find us , or the right home amungst us , which there are many here. I would have never know as many lines as I now now if it weren't for this site and believe me I now share many of these with ordinary people not because I know many show people but by what I feel is a better direction. Oh! show people are tired of being lied to and their dogs end up in bad situations. So this means anyone else interested in this breed and wanting to start has no hope. No one is willing to give you the time, knowledge, chance or wanting to heat what you have to say. Yet show people want to better the breed. I guess only by what the consider is correct as bigginers aren't giving a chance. Well that leaves us wanting to begging with only choice of foreign dogs with great pedigrees at reasonable prices with no strings attached. Quiet frankly many of the foreign critisized breeders demonstrate more consistancy with their breedings in producing better quality pups than those here in the US. Many US breeders are now jumping all over the foreing stock being offered. Forgot to mention that these so called show/reputable breeders detest the whole teacup trend but are the first to offer them at the same prices many times much higher in $$$$ than their actual show prospects. Hum! OH! its cause they require more care.:rolleyes: :mad:

I own the "Grooming The Yorkshire Terrier " and I would say it is not worth it. I has good information but nothing you wouldn't already know. I really think it needs more detail direction and tips. I do hear the topknot video is very good though some german breeders I know love it.:thumbup: Forgot to mention I bought the Ena Lane s**t zu grroming video and that one is worse it has alot more to desire to its contents.:animal36

Thanks,
I'm still looking for that special someone to give me a few hours of thier time:D
I hope that if I ever get to the point of having little CH's running around my house that I don't forget where I started.

I am no expert and don't even have show pups. I only have my pet girl which to me is my life but some time in the near future would like to acquire a show pup. I try to groom my girl as one would a show dog without the wrapping and her coat is floor length. I do know how to wrap though. I guess that outs me ahead of the game. Your prestigous girl is beautiful and I to commend Deana for openly giving bigginers a chance with her dogs.:thumbup: :animal36

Prestigeous

Your yorkie boy is simply gorgeous. Love his full tail and he looks so regal. I like his rich coloring. Very pretty. He has a very distinct look about him. I guess yorkietalk's very own members dont feel the people should be offered a yorkie like yours.


**"Thank you for offering him to us poor folk, its not often wes people gets oppurtunties likes this. Us peoples bred anything we can get our hands on. Wes luv to get our hands on em to maybe gets the other eye our yorkies ar supposed to have. Or maybe our yorkies could stand cus theys had to ride in a cart cause they cant stand on they poor deformed back legs."**

You all are not only taking a holier then thou attitude with the poster, but you are also demeaning members here.
Not all dogs from a show breeder are winners, alot of them are not even contenders. And not all show breeders are reputable. There are some pet breeders with higher standards.

After what I have seen and experienced at this time I have no desire to be a show breeder anymore. My agenda is different.
The only reputation I want to keep is my own, not worrying about what everyone else in the show circle thinks or says. I think you people are mean.

In Canada this is so true, its is almost impossible to buy a yorkie with breeding rights unless you spend thousands (for pet quality) or for a yorkie several years old (still thousands). We only have one registry and it is not a common thing to buy a registered dog with breeding rights, its almost unheard of. I see so many dogs on YT with full registration from so many registries its mind boggleing (sp?).

ethic's
 

WHY does the ethcial show breeder come to Yorkie Talk?....educate, educate, educate, educate, educate, educate, educate, educate and educate ...the more a breeder or pet owner knows the better the life of their Yorkies...I adore the breed, if I can spare them one minute of needless pain and suffering, then I will have done my tiny part.
My family have known for years when they write my obit in the newspaper I want it to say.." a protector of the breed"..
Always do what is best for the breed, not your own personal feelings, your heart or your pocketbook...

Way to go girl...:thumbup:
You just said ..what a lot of us were thinking.
And Prestigeous your boy is simply gorgeous.

I agree it is great to share your info of this breed and to do your part, but I don't think anyone has the right to bash people and I see so many posts, actually if you go back and look under certain peoples posts it seems they may be unhappy in life period, I dont see many posts that are in a cheerful mood from them. I am not talking about you. But I will tell you that slamming these people and me has nothing at all to do with ethics at all. You actually are going to turn them off from the show world and breeding responsibly with this attitude. It is the same thing you have in schools it is simply bullying plain and simple. It is quite a shame and if someone feels that is being a responsible breeder I am sorry but its not. I feel dogs pick up on whats in our heart and thats kinda scarey for dogs to feel that vibe from their owners.
My dog was posted for sale to a responsible home and I do screen for that. If this was all about the almighty buck I have been offered more for him from a few people who I would not place him.
Pet people are the best and they sometimes evolve into the next show person to carry on this lovely breed. I know many of us started as a pet owner who was totally smitten by the breed and just had to get into showing with the idea that we would have so much fun because after all we all love this breed and we are all on the same team Team Yorkie.
I love this breed and my babies are my family thats why I own this breed.
You guys have a wonderful weekend,
Hugs
Deana and Leo and The Prestigeous Yorkies and Royal T Cavaliers Wv

GREAT POST!
Jessica

The part where you say they are unhappy in everyday life......
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Okay this one I have to reply to ........ I am sure glad you are one of the " Lucky Ones " !! As I am sure there are others that are not so LUCKY ! In particular there is a nice couple in Canada that recently bought a male from Prestigious , was this male SHOW as promised ? NO it is a 2.2 pound dog with a terrible roach and a nasty temparment to boot! He can not be used for breeding or for show in Canada , he is too small he is not going to meet the standard , he is so off in personality he most likely will not even show- so what should Prestigious do with this male they advertise on here for sale ?? Send him to CANDA and make right one situation before jumping into another - good money was sent LONG in advance of this dog ever being deemed as " Show Quality " as if you could determin show quality at 6 weeks of age ?? - the dog has no reg papers, and no identification ... it goes on - so what would I say - send this male to CAnada and clear this mess up

As for advertising on this forum , it is simple - when you want to place a dog quick and without much care , place it on here - someone unknowingly will grab the dog and the money is sent , easy !

As for bashing the YTCA - and the Reputiable breeders that drip blood for these dogs when needed, there is nothing you can say , they do what is best for the dog - Bottom Line - nothing else matters, and this my listeners is a trait we should all adopt !!! There is a differance between prodoucing to market and prodoucing to imporve the breed, show the results to many many thousands of dollars , and pet the rest with strick contracts- the ethical hobbiest who places their lives into this , does not seek money - NEWS FLASH - at the end of the day there is no surplus there is a deficit, and the love still goes on , and the shows go forward and the breed thrives with imporvement - this is what it is all about - its not about bashing , money , quick sales to whoever will take the first bite, its about dedication and sacrifice . The YTCA is a group of dedicated people whos goal is to protect the breed , and the members should follow and the majority do !

Ill repeat this, BYB's wouldnt be producing "out of standard" yorkies if the YTCA was truely dedicated in protecting this breed.

JMHO

Chris since the representives of the YTCA are here to help the novice why dont you feel free to ask for assistance from these YTCA members

ALABAMA
. Cabat's
Cathi Batchelor
Mobile AL
36605-4246
(251) 510-9963 cabats@comcast.net

P A Angel
Julie V. (Burdette) Garrett
Prattvillle AL
36066
(334) 365-7595 angeljulie@knology.net

P A S Georgin's
Gina Pierce
Mobile AL
36608-9081
(251) 645-9912
fax (251) 645-9912
gpierce9912@yahoo.com

P A R Billmar's
Bill & Mary Roberts
Bessmer AL
35023-4321
(205) 491-6132
billys_roberts@yahoo.com
P A R

club
 

Okay Kim..for the sake of agruing..lets say the YTCA is a total screw up and not worth the paper it is printed on...then as ethically breeders it our responsibility on our own to protect the breed, we set our own standards of ethic's each day we stay in the breed...no one needs a club to tell them the correct things to do..

YT is not the place to advertize pups..show or pet. It is just my opinion and take it for what it is worth...there are too many unethcial breeders who come here and "prey" on innocent, unknowning pet lovers, feed them a line of bull and rob their pockets. If I owned this site, I would refuse ads...it is amazing they have not been sued over some of the crap pulled on members here.

topknot tape
 

Yorkie Rose,
Have you checked your PMs, I have sent you two, one last night, one this morning. The sooner I learn to show groom, the sooner we get in the ring.:)

ARE YOU SERIOUS ??? What are you thinking ? The Reputiable breeder could work overtime , and does , on education , and mentoring , only to be hit in the face when the BYB comes in and sells all they can for thw MONEY - no thought of the breed , or the genetics, only the cash ! Come on now place the guilt trip where it belongs, back on the those who care nothing for the breed, those who do not want to be members of any governing association for fear of restrictions to the freedom of place em high ~!

Pat this I will agree with, the YTCA screams from their podium DO NOT SUPPORT the BYB, Pat you know this first hand, if I recall you mentioned you were shunned from the YTCA because you stood in defense of the BYB.

[/QUOTE]YT is not the place to advertize pups..show or pet. It is just my opinion and take it for what it is worth...there are too many unethcial breeders who come here and "prey" on innocent, unknowning pet lovers, feed them a line of bull and rob their pockets. If I owned this site, I would refuse ads...it is amazing they have not been sued over some of the crap pulled on members here.[/QUOTE]

Pat you are discounting the sense and sensibility of many YT members. Most members have been screwed or ignored by breeders that ARE NOT members (some become members to defend themself and quickly run away)

One thing mentioned earlier ....YT should only let members with a certain amount of posts - posts in the for sale forum, this I totally agree with, perhaps admin should take heed, this would weed out the ones that are only here to peddle pups!

So if you show after thousand of dollars and restrict the rest where do you give space for bigginers to join the bus. You are one of those who only places you full reg dogs with a network of know breeders. You where once given a chance also by Laurie Hunter to own what you have now. Who was to say you where or wheren't worthy of a Nik Nak Yorkshire Terrier.:rolleyes:

Are you saying that if you don't belong to an association that you care nothing for the breed? Are you also saying that members of the YTCA do not place some of their stock at high prices? I know that I have seen several YTCA member's websites that not only advertise pups for sale with pictures, but some even price their pups according to size.

I am quite sure she had paid her dues before getting where she is now. As I would expect to.

Personal Information
 

What kind of person would post personal information, phone numbers and etc?
I'm pretty new here, but I can see by just reading, usually don't reply, that there are a few people that have real issues and try to drag everyone down to their level.

If this makes you feel powerful you need help, this is very sad to see someone reaching out like this for attention. Sometimes when people feel inferior, or have a feeling of not being useful, they will continually condemn those that they feel inferior to.

I feel very sorry for you,

Well those of us trying to begin are willing to also but after these kind of replies how do we stand a chance? how do we even approach without fear of being turned off?:rolleyes:

There is noyhing wrong with posting information as such. What about it show a sense of feeling inferior. It is offering numbers of those who work to educate about the breed to see if they are really accessible and willing ot share their knowledge. Stop with your inferior superior nonsense. Why did you jump on to make this person feel inferior didn't you? I guess it put you on the same float. You need to stop drowning in a cup of water.:mad:

What kind of replies???? Have you actually called a show exhibitor in your area and asked to be mentored?? Are you going by what you have asked on here or has someone you contacted actually said to you that they would not help you learn?

Speaking only from personal experience I have found show exhibitors MORE than happy to share information and mentor a serious person.
But if they see this that has been written here it wouldn't surprise me one bit if I found they were less than willing to help from now on.

I dont understand your post at all...feel inferior? because of posting a YTCA list in Alabama?

its publicly posted http://www.ytca.org/breeder3.html just choose a state!

I am not on any particular side of this argument. I also am not sticking up for Prestigeous Yorkies either. But I will add I do not believe that Deana and Leo are lining their pockets with tons of cash from dog sales. They do have a handler show their yorkies and David is NOT CHEAP! Does that make it right for them to misrepresent a dog to get it sold? NO!

Do you know of any in AL? I could use a hook-up.