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[cesar49]

Originally Posted by yorkieisme

I'm afraid that I don't possibly understand this myself. This sickness is very well known to all breeds and I don't see how natural herbs or natural anything could avoid this when it comes to animals. I believe there are some shots worth having to avoid diseases and parvo shots are one of the ones. I also believe the ones using this holistic care are not really for sure themselves, they just think that it is the best or is a great selling point when it comes to a sale. I sure hope I didn't open a can of worms with my first post on the subject......because it seems people are really into the hype of holistic care which it could prove dangerous to a new yorkie owner.

Also Jen those little boys are so cute.........good luck on finding them a great holistic/normal home.

[I] think there is a reason for parvo... If it starts with feces, then the feces are the problem.. maintaining a clean environment is the best way.. Of course, this is not a perfect world... But, this is about worms.... and using a natural dewormer , and keeping the home and yard clean is the first line of defense... The fear i have, is causing parvo to appear in a healthy puppy by giving the vaccine... The drug companies have not tested properly for our pets, and the evidence is out there if you search... I found a good site and there is a lot of information available... There is a chance that vaccines are causing damage, and i am not going to risk their health any longer.. Just because puriona makes an expensive canned dog food does not make it a healthy food, free of animal by products... in the same way, are we supposed to believe the hype and advertising about safe vaccines..???
It is time to dig a little deeper, and stop listening to the commercialized views.... Vaccines are all about money.....not about need...this is my opinion.
and probably not the popular opinion...

Vaccination as a risk factor in serious auto-immune diseases at Vaccination Debate Forum

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by jrwatt

Yes, it is hard to understand if you do not know the science behind vaccinations and diseases. This is not the place to list statistics and studies. Respect the opinions of those who have spent years doing so in favor of a healthier species.
This will answer the questions you directly addressed.
NaturalRearing.com ~ Science of Vaccine Damage

Actually this is a great place for ones to state their findings, and also how are we suppose to respect something that we know nothing of even when you have "spent years doing so in favor of a healthier species". I think YT is a learning source, not all about fussing and laughing over stuff, but also a great educational source.

I'm not going to go back and read all of those sites again, all it does is talk about over doing vacs. Does not say "DO NOT GIVE THEM". Sorry I don't agree with you on the shots, however sending out websites is not proof of what it is and what it does. People who do not give the parvo shot helps spread the disease even more in my book.

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by yorkieisme

Actually this is a great place for ones to state their findings, and also how are we suppose to respect something that we know nothing of even when you have "spent years doing so in favor of a healthier species". I think YT is a learning source, not all about fussing and laughing over stuff, but also a great educational source.

I'm not going to go back and read all of those sites again, all it does is talk about over doing vacs. Does not say "DO NOT GIVE THEM". Sorry I don't agree with you on the shots, however sending out websites is not proof of what it is and what it does. People who do not give the parvo shot helps spread the disease even more in my book.

I am new to this holistic care.. but, the research is clearly pointing to
the cause of parvo being the vaccinating....at the very least, any puppies should not be vaccinated until 16 weeks of age...and then, with only safe MLV
vaccine...and only in single type shots.. no 5 ways...after reading about the
problems, i will not be giving the accepted doses of these poisons to my puppies... curing parvo is also a matter of hydration.. and there are cures such as parvaid... i am suggesting that we may be giving parvo to these animals by vaccinating them.. and causing lifelong damage in many other ways..anyone with a computer who is interested can find out the truth.

building natural immunity instead of destroying it is the answer...

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by yorkieisme

I'm afraid that I don't possibly understand this myself. This sickness is very well known to all breeds and I don't see how natural herbs or natural anything could avoid this when it comes to animals. I believe there are some shots worth having to avoid diseases and parvo shots are one of the ones. I also believe the ones using this holistic care are not really for sure themselves, they just think that it is the best or is a great selling point when it comes to a sale. I sure hope I didn't open a can of worms with my first post on the subject......because it seems people are really into the hype of holistic care which it could prove dangerous to a new yorkie owner.

Also Jen those little boys are so cute.........good luck on finding them a great holistic/normal home.

I tried the "holistic" way to decrease the severity and longevity of my cold I had 2 1/2 years ago. A very popular product that is still being sold today. I PERMANENTLY lost my taste/smell. Sometimes "holistic" is not worth the risk.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by cesar49

I am new to this holistic care.. but, the research is clearly pointing to
the cause of parvo being the vaccinating....at the very least, any puppies should not be vaccinated until 16 weeks of age...and then, with only safe MLV
vaccine...and only in single type shots.. no 5 ways...after reading about the
problems, i will not be giving the accepted doses of these poisons to my puppies... curing parvo is also a matter of hydration.. and there are cures such as parvaid... i am suggesting that we may be giving parvo to these animals by vaccinating them.. and causing lifelong damage in many other ways..anyone with a computer who is interested can find out the truth.

building natural immunity instead of destroying it is the answer...

I have a friend who used parvaid and her puppies still died. So I guess there is just as much risk with or without the holistic approach.

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

I have a friend who used parvaid and her puppies still died. So I guess there is just as much risk with or without the holistic approach.

i guess the holistic way would include no vaccines and a good diet including feeding raw foods for the probiotics...
regarding ... your friend with the parvo puppies....
were they vaccinated for parvo right before they died of parvo?
the risk is documented in many cases....

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by jrwatt

I wanted to address this concern because I think its quite a valid one. I am a holistic yorkshire terrier breeder and I also run a small puppy rescue.

We think of vaccines as the actual protection from the virus itself, waiting in the dog's body to JUMP OUT when it is needed and attack the parvo but in fact the parvo vaccine is an attenuated (made less strong) dose of parvo. You are actually GIVING your dog parvo when you vaccinate. The conventional vet tells you that the dog's immune system will start producing antibodies within a few days. While that is true, it is NOT the vaccine but the dog's own immune system's antibodies that protect it. Tiny puppies do not have developed immune systems, they rely on their mothers immunity from the collostrum in their milk. In the meantime the dog gets very sick and cannot fully recover, causing skin problems, itching, infections, fleas etc. The vaccines contain heavy metals like aluminum to agitate the immune system supposedly to create a GREATER immune system reaction. They often lead to neurological damage because they cannot be filtered out of the bloodstream fast enough. That happens in the dogs you see that are "off" or "no body is upstairs" or "one sandwich short of a picnic." In severe cases the dog dies. I have seen this happen.

All vaccines cause damage. It is not a question of which dog it will happen to its a question of how it will manifest. Usually it takes several years and comes out at the injection site as cancer.

Holistic/Homeopathic vets and breeders prepare the dog's immune system for any attack so it can create antibodies by simply allowing the dog to be healthy. Giving it 5 diseases in one vaccine will make it weaker, less able to fight.

All dogs come in contact with the diseases regularly. They are in the environment and your dogs produce antibodies rapidly. It is only an immuno-supposed dog that becomes sick. Most dogs have NATURAL IMMUNITY.

We are bullied, scared and guilt tripped into giving our dogs unncessary doses of diseases that shorten their life span and cripple their immune systems.

What about the rabies vaccine? Is there something "holistic" for that too? I wonder where the human race would be without the polio vaccine? I am not be-littling holistic practices, but I think I would rather err on the side of caution than risk my puppies. And in 25 + years of breeding I have never "shortened a life span or crippled immune systems". How is this measured, by the way? Just like people, one dogs life span is never going to be the same as another dogs lifespan, even in the same breed.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by cesar49

i guess the holistic way would include no vaccines and a good diet including feeding raw foods for the probiotics...
regarding ... your friend with the parvo puppies....
were they vaccinated for parvo right before they died of parvo?
the risk is documented in many cases....

She hadnt vaccinated them yet. She was going through the weaning stage and they were about 6 weeks of age.

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

What about the rabies vaccine? Is there something "holistic" for that too? I wonder where the human race would be without the polio vaccine? I am not be-littling holistic practices, but I think I would rather err on the side of caution than risk my puppies. And in 25 + years of breeding I have never "shortened a life span or crippled immune systems". How is this measured, by the way? Just like people, one dogs life span is never going to be the same as another dogs lifespan, even in the same breed.

i can only suggest that the information is available...i have an aunt who acquired polio from her vaccination as a child.. the research surrounding the truth about vaccines suggests that the only reason for them is greed.
vaccinosis is a real issue... puppies die all the time from vaccines... but,
most times, the reason for the death is not blamed on the vaccine...
i am not going to risk it any longer...the drug companies do not even test these vaccines before they pass them out...i guess most animals simply survive the onslaught and we accept them as being normal and healthy
without even noticing the changes...it can be years later when the effects
are seen and blamed on other things... i am afraid to see my grandson vaccinated now... but, something needs to be done to stop this poisoning of our children and our pets...it is crazy... natural immunity does not need
vaccines... vaccines suppress the natural immunity... causing auto immune disorders...cancers at the injection site for the rabies...skin problems.. the list goes on and on...

[cesar49]

i found this interesting and would like to share it...



A team at Purdue University School of Veterinary Medicine conducted
several studies to determine if vaccines can cause changes in
the immune system of dogs that might lead to life-threatening
immune-mediated diseases. They obviously conducted this research
because concern already existed. It was sponsored by the Haywood
Foundation which itself was looking for evidence that such changes in
the human immune system might also be vaccine induced. It found the
evidence.

The vaccinated, but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue studies
developed autoantibodies to many of their own biochemicals, including
fibronectin, laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, cardiolipin and
collagen.

This means that the vaccinated dogs - "but not the non-vaccinated
dogs"- were attacking their own fibronectin, which is involved in
tissue repair, cell multiplication and growth, and differentiation
between tissues and organs in a living organism.

The vaccinated Purdue dogs also developed autoantibodies to laminin,
which is involved in many cellular activities including the adhesion,
spreading, differentiation, proliferation and movement of cells.
Vaccines thus appear to be capable of removing the natural
intelligence of cells.

Autoantibodies to cardiolipin are frequently found in patients with
the serious disease systemic lupus erythematosus and also in
individuals with other autoimmune diseases. The presence of elevated
anti-cardiolipin antibodies is significantly associated with clots
within the heart or blood vessels, in poor blood clotting,
haemorrhage, bleeding into the skin, foetal loss and neurological
conditions.

The Purdue studies also found that vaccinated dogs were developing
autoantibodies to their own collagen. About one quarter of all the
protein in the body is collagen. Collagen provides structure to our
bodies, protecting and supporting the softer tissues and connecting
them with the skeleton. It is no wonder that Canine Health Concern's
1997 study of 4,000 dogs showed a high number of dogs developing
mobility problems shortly after they were vaccinated (noted in my 1997
book, What Vets Don't Tell You About Vaccines).

Perhaps most worryingly, the Purdue studies found that the vaccinated
dogs had developed autoantibodies to their own DNA. Did the alarm
bells sound? Did the scientific community call a halt to the
vaccination program? No. Instead, they stuck their fingers in the air,
saying more research is needed to ascertain whether vaccines can cause
genetic damage. Meanwhile, the study dogs were found good homes, but
no long-term follow-up has been conducted. At around the same time,
the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) Vaccine-Associated
Feline Sarcoma Task Force initiated several studies to find out why
160,000 cats each year in the USA develop terminal cancer at their
vaccine injection sites.(3) The fact that cats can get vaccine-induced
cancer has been acknowledged by veterinary bodies around the world,
and even the British Government acknowledged it through its Working
Group charged with the task of looking into canine and feline
vaccines(4) following pressure from Canine Health Concern. What do you
imagine was the advice of the AVMA Task Force, veterinary bodies and
governments? "Carry on vaccinating until we find out why vaccines are
killing cats, and which cats are most likely to die."

[jrwatt]

Originally Posted by cesar49

i found this interesting and would like to share it...



A team at Purdue University School of Veterinary Medicine conducted
several studies to determine if vaccines can cause changes in
the immune system of dogs that might lead to life-threatening
immune-mediated diseases...."

Yes, very interesting. Clearly they don't need to state "DONT VACCINATE" because anyone who would continue regular boosters after these findings has evidently been overvaccinated themselves.

[bchgirl]

That paragraph is taken out of context. Here's the entire study. The research was specifically regarding protocols as directed by manufacturer's....not veterinarians.

haywardstudyonvaccines

Taken directly from the above.

One control group was not vaccinated and the other group was vaccinated with a commercial multivalent vaccine at 8, 10, 12, 16, and 20 weeks of age and with a rabies vaccine at 16 weeks of age.


I know of no vet who would vaccinate any puppy this many times.

[YoRkiE Te aMo]

but u do have to wonder about the vaccines when every time ur little one goes for a vaccine and comes home and is hiding under ur couch shaking like a leaf and burning up and u call ur vet and he suggests u come back to give him some steroids to counteract the effect of the vaccines...
don't u wonder "why am i doing this to this little one i love so much ...just because they tell me this is good "

don't u one day wake up and say : this is not good for my little one if i want him healthy and well....


being good to ur little one is giving him :

Vaccines
chemicals for heartworm
chemicals for fleas
chemicals in the shampoos and rinses and detanglers
not to mention some of the stuff in the foods & treats

and all that to a little one u love so much

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by YoRkiE Te aMo

but u do have to wonder about the vaccines when every time ur little one goes for a vaccine and comes home and is hiding under ur couch shaking like a leaf and burning up and u call ur vet and he suggests u come back to give him some steroids to counteract the effect of the vaccines...
don't u wonder "why am i doing this to this little one i love so much ...just because they tell me this is good "

don't u one day wake up and say : this is not good for my little one if i want him healthy and well....


being good to ur little one is giving him :

Vaccines
chemicals for heartworm
chemicals for fleas
chemicals in the shampoos and rinses and detanglers
not to mention some of the stuff in the foods & treats

and all that to a little one u love so much

What vaccine caused that reaction in your baby? Some have reactions to rabies injections....it usually occurs within 30 minutes of the injection. Personally I don't leave the vet's office without waiting. If your pet has a reaction....the solution there is your vet gives you a waiver. Rabies is a lot easier to avoid than parvo or distemper.

Sorry I think it's irresponsible for a breeder not to provide preventation against those two diseases. Should there be an outbreak...it's likely the breeder won't have ANY dogs to breed. There isn't any cure.

I'd advise vaccinating initially and then opting for titer testing when boosters are suggested.

I'm fortunate none of mine ever reacted like what you described above.

[phfgkl]

I've had dogs all my life. They were given their puppy shots and their yearly rabi vaccine. Every dog my entire family has had(this is 3 siblings and parents) have all lived from 14-19 years(this is including my golden retriever who was put down at 18 years of age because of cancer). My dogs to this day, all get their puppy shots and their rabi shots(although I have just switched to the 3 year rabi shot). My vet never pushes any shots, I tell her which ones I want(I do make sure the 2 outside dogs have their distemper shots also). I agree dogs are being over vaccinated also, but, i also feel their are certain shots they do need to keep them healthy. Someone said about polio, yes, some people did catch it still, but, if they wouldn't have had the polio shots, then more people would have died from it than what actually did. I am another person who has also tried a lot of herbal things, and herbal things do NOT work on me.