What Makes A Show Breeder!
 

What does it consist of?

Someone who shows their dogs, finishes them as champions and then breeds the finished champs.

Wonderful thread!
 

I personally think a (reputable) show breeder consist of:

I am new to the show world, but I am very lucky to have three wonderful reputable show breeders right out my backdoor! I spent alot of time trying to learn from them to do everything right!

A (reputable) show breeder is one that does everything right by the breed! One who studies their pedigrees and the genetic defects that come in the breed.. They are (reputable) breeders that breed for the standard of the AKC breed and take their dog/dogs into the conformation ring.. They are proud of what they have produced! Their dogs are treated as members of their family and are not locked into a room or cages 24/7.. They are very picky about what they breed, they do not just throw two dogs together for a litter of puppies.. They do the proper research needed to breed a excellent litter of puppies.. They spend many many sleepless nights taking care of mamas and puppies.. They always place their pet puppies into loving homes only! They enjoy every minute in a showring spending time with their dog just having fun.. They never take out a loss in the ring on their dog!!! They never ask for a reward, this is their passion and they love every minute of it!

I can only honestly tell you about myself.. I LOVE my dogs and they are my life! My days are spent with them, they are free to roam in my home and lay where they like! I spend my days grooming them, playing with them, training them, going to the vet and most of all loving them! They are not like my children, they are my children and are always treated as a loving member of my family!

Melanie

Well, I am glad to hear you say this, I know a few "reputable" show breeders who goes the extra mile also. Plus, they have pointed and just about finished their dogs in the show ring. Then, I know some who go to shows don't point and who have almost 30 dogs, and call them dog 1, and dog 2..so on and so forth! So, I guess repurable "show" breeder is in the eye of the beholder, just like broker, or breeder. :thumbup: ;)

Isn't a show breeder just someone who shows dogs? I think there are reputable experienced show breeders and hobby breeders that show...but anyone can show. It doesn't mean the dogs are healthy or the breeder is ethical, it just means they show dogs?

You are exactly right there are ethical and unethical in everything.. But what I posted is what I personally think a ethical show breed is or at least my idea of one! I have been burnt by a couple of so-called show breeders..

I guess my other question is, can someone call themselves a "SHOW" breeder if they have never finished, or pointed in a show? :confused:

That's why I posted my definition. I don't consider people who go to shows or who used to show dogs "show breeders"

Thank you, Kristy..I guess my answer was already answered!! :thumbup:

I think there are some breeders that produce nicer puppies than some show breeders.. I have seen many yorkies in the ring that I would classify as strictly pet quality, does that make their breeder a show breeder? Not in my book.. I myself am just a newbie to the show world, but I feel I have the potential in my dogs to produce show quality, Tizzy for example! Will she be shown, YES! I am very proud of her! I told myself in the very beginning that I would not sleep and eat the show world.. It is strictly a hobby, does that make me a bad person, NO.. I also have other things in my life that are just as important as showing my dogs.. And if need be I will hire a handler..

Melanie, I don't undrstand your particular answers to my questions. Are you saying you are just a hobby/show breeder so you aren't worried about pointing, or going to shows. I am so confused by your answers :confused: :confused:

Sure I would love to point my dog everytime I take them out.. I would love to champion my dog in a months time, does it happen no.. There are so many side to this: I consider myself as a reputable loving breeder with excellent dogs.. I consider myself new to the show world and have a beautiful dog to show! Maybe one day I will be a reputable show breeder, who knows! But my goal is to produce show quality and I feel that I have the dogs to be able to do that.. I have worked very hard to have my dogs and most of them in my eye are excellent examples of the breed.. I am very proud of what I have accomplished in my program and with time I hope it only gets better.. But I am a hobby breeder that shows, it does NOT rule my life and never will!

I personally do not know what your problem is with me, but I am done with this thread..

I agree.

I wouldn't consider anyone a show breeder until they have finished (or are at least actively showing) at least one champion they've bred. It doesn't count if you buy one someone else has bred and then show it.

Thank you for point that out, c :p :thumbup: j

However, Kristy answered my question to the point..However, if someone goes to the shows every week and don't point, then why do they go..Also, if they buy dog's to show then resell them, makes them a broker who tries to buy show dogs...

Sorry I said I was done but I guess not! There are NOT always points in each class at a show.. There has to be so many shown in the class for there to be points.. NOT all breeders/show breeders show all the dogs the have.. Someone may purchase a particular dog for a certain trait, coat, color, head, etc.. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER A BROKER IS SOMEONE THAT GOES AROUND BUYING UP ALOT OF DOGS AND RESELLS THEM FOR A HUGE PROFIT! You CANNOT classify a person who breeds that places a dog into a pet home because of their poor quality.. Alot of breeder do not do any testing before they sell a dog and the person/breeder that purchases the dog finds a liver problem, ARE YOU STATING IT IS OKAY TO BREED THAT DOG OR SHOW IT? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!! I am very interested to know if you breed or breed and show??

PY, I think you asked what makes a show breeder. You start by being listed as the breeder on the registration certificate. Then you show your dogs. That's a start. If you show a dog with someone else's name on the certificate as the breeder, then you are a fancier or an exhibitor but not a show breeder.

I can sense you're really trying to get to the bottom of this and define it carefully. I hope this helps some. Please don't get frustrated. You'll get it.

I've gotten the answer's I were looking for..Again, thanks Kristy

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What is a show breeder..? Where do you come up with these tricky questions..LOL
If you show and breed, I think it makes you a show breeder...no one says you have to win to call yourself a show breeder. I sure see the point of view that if you never win, does it still make you a show breeder..I guess so, but not a very good one. There are many adjectives to describe types of show breeders..not all are equal in that arena.

I would like to point something out.. IMO...buying another persons breeding and showing that dog does not make the person any less an exhabitor. A person must learn with something on the end of the lead. If they perfer not to breed one, they have the option to buy one. If I am going to shell out alot of money to show, then it will be mine or do it for a close friend who I admire.
I do think it wise to give the breeder all the credit due them in advertizing the wins. I would use the breeders kennel prefix in the name..only fair. Once you breed that dog then the pups are your breeding.

If I am not mistaken, Guemart's winner at the Garden is basically Parkside..infact when looking at his advertized pedigrees, no more then one or two dogs even carry his "Guemart" perfix per pedigree.

And, show breeders do not necessarily ever set their own foot in the ring. They use trainers and handlers but still are listed as breeder/owner or breeder or owner or whatever..

Show breeders!
 

Very good answer for someone who does not show.
Let me elaborate some. First a reputable show breeder loves thier dogs and does NOT sell to BYB or mills or anyone to just be used as a breeder. We feel one should get into showing as it helps to learn about the health in pedigree's, what the dogs look like in the pedigree's from other exhibitors, as well as learning the proper structure, movement, type and balance. VS pedigree's that say Sally Sue is the mother and Joe Jones is the father. There are also reputable show breeder's who breed for themselves, not for the glory or to sell puppies for show to make another Champion. And then there are disreputable show breeder's. Once becoming a show breeder you learn the differences and know quality!

I also do not feel one is a Show BREEDER until they have produced a champion and bred him/her and produced more champions from them. I think the word exhibitor fits those who show but do not breed or those who show and happen to breed but have not yet produced a show dog.

I think it would be misleading for anyone who has not produced a show dog to call themselves a show breeder.

We all know that anyone who loves this breed and has an interest in showing all shares a common ground. I do not think that anyone is any better than me because they are showing. And when I do, I will not think that anyone is beneath me either. (any one who knows me knows this is my nature, and that I respect everyone who is trying to do their best on any level) Growing up with a family who raised and showed horses I think I am qualified to put in my 2 cents. My sister showed horses that were not always of our family's breedings. She was just as respected (won more) and was a better rider than most of those who showed their own breeding. To me, when a breeder is at a point in their program where they are able to show their own dogs that they have produced, I believe that's when the "true pride" would kick in, but I don't think that they should be put in a different catergory just because they may not be showing a dog of their own breeding at any paticular time. If I start out with a baby that is not of my breeding in the show world I can only hope that the more seasoned "show breeders" will allow me to have the same respect that they did when they started out. Breeders in general all share a common ground because they all share an interest in dogs. There has always been this catergorizing of people and it really bothers me. Lending a helping hand to someone who shares your same interest is what is most important and will gain you the most respect in the long run whether you are showing your own dogs or someone else's. I am very fortunate to have found someone like that. I wouldn't trade a kind soul like that for all the show breeders in the world.

Well considering no one has said anything about disrespect I have to assume that people are assuming that themselves. A breeder is just that, a breeder, but a show breeder is just that - a person that is breeding show dogs and showing them to their championship. What is the problem here?

I have to ask why someone would be offended to be a wanna-be show breeder? Do you not want to be a show breeder? We all started out the same way. I started out wanting to show dogs, a wanna be exhibitor, I succeeded, I wanted to breed show dogs, I succeeded, but if I hadn't shown my dogs, how could I say I succeeded unless they are being shown and finished? We earn are own spurs so to speak. No one earned my success but me. Exactly how it should be.

Cher...I think it's just the term that is used...A WANNA BE. That term has been used in past years on many different situations...not just show breeders...and it's a term to describe unworthiness, a loser, A JOKE. This is just my opinion but I can understand how others can take offense to this.

I agree with you totally, especially on the last two sentences. I never mentioned the word disrespect. I mentioned that I hope to be shown the same respect someday. Heck yeah I'm a wanna be. (at this time) I'm the first to admit it! :D What I am at this time is a small hobby breeder with a huge passion for yorkshire terriers hoping to show my first dog in the future. Call me wanna be, or whatever you want to. I love yorkies and I have a strong interest in showing now that my daughter is a bit older and not right under my wing at all times, and I believe many of you will see that in the future. For now, I'll leave the show breeding to the show breeders as I make my climb up the mountain. Can't wait to meet you all at the top!

I look very forward to it and if you have any questions along the way, please feel free to ask. Be glad to answer what I can for you. Good luck, I'm sure we'll see you out soon.

I have a show friend in that area. You will need to let me know when you make it to your first show. maybe she can help you out some. Topknots can be a bugger... :)
Looking forward to meetng up with you in the ring. Have you a show dog your going to be showing? Any pictures yet?
Good luck!

Thanks. and yes those topknots, wow weee wow! I do not have THE dog I wish to begin with at this point. It's all in the works and I hope to have him or her later this year. 2007 will be my year that I become more seriously involved. This year I am going to be sinking in all the info I can and talking to veterans in the sport along with aquiring and preparing my future prospect. I have a boy of my own breeding that I would like to work with more as well. Thanks for the heads up and I look forward to meeting you someday as well.