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I can also say that when I walk into a ring I personally have never felt such nervousness in my entire life! Sometimes I feel like I am outside my body watching, sad but true! |
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I still get that nervous.. I have been lucky to have some very nice show people help me!!!!! |
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Yes, you should also go to shows and watch this can help alot! And chat with some of the breeder's there that are showing. And maybe a seasoned show breeder can help you elvaluate what you might be running on for show. And puppy classes are most important also. It took me two years to be able to do a really good topknot! :) I use to be all thumbs! |
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Try taking a xanax for those nerves girl. That is what a friend of mine does and has been showing for 5 years now and has a couple of Champions. We all need help starting out. Getting a handler is not a bad idea if he is what you think should be shown. It might only get expensive depending on the degree of quality he is for showing. This way you can put your all into his daughter now. |
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The true meaning, pride and knowing you have done something well is when you finish your OWN yorkie that you have bred. We call this being Breeder/Owner/Handled! When I see this I am more impressed with a yorkie than if a handler finishes it. However as some experienced show breeder's age it gets harder to show ourselves and health reasons can play a part in ending up needing to use a handler. But then again you do learn who has shown thier own in the past and why they need a handler now. Whether getting up and down cannot be any longer done and or the quality is just not quite there for it to be owner finished. The show world is really not a big one and we all know each other in some way. Once begining to show you do acquire this knowledge as well. |
I see all too often people new to breeding and or showing instantly getting too big for their britches. I assume that's when the term 'wanna be' upsets someone. If you are not afraid to ask for help from the 'Pros' they are more that willing to help. I am a cling on. Poor Cher. She has spent HOURS on the phone with me. Spilling her years and years of knowledge some I want to hear and some stuff I don't. As long as it's done in a professional honest manner, how can anyone get mad? If some would just put their egos a side and call on these 'Pros' you'd be surprised how helpful they are. It's refreshing!! Robbie, I am on my way up there along with ya girl!! Hugs, Irene |
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Quote: Originally Posted by shelbysmom Isn't a show breeder just someone who shows dogs? I think there are reputable experienced show breeders and hobby breeders that show...but anyone can show. It doesn't mean the dogs are healthy or the breeder is ethical, it just means they show dogs? Quote:
But I did everything I could to learn about the breed and breeders before I bought my pup. I remember reading that buying from a show breeder will help insure that you are buying from someone who cares about the breed and the standard of the breed. Sounds good right? I wish. People show for all sorts of reasons. Finding someone that shows for the right reasons is tough. Finding an experienced reputable breeder who shows their dogs for the right reason AND has pet quality pups available is WAY tough :D |
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Irene and Robbie I am grabbing the bottom of your pants and coming along!! |
My showboy.. Opinions.. 1 Attachment(s) This is my boy I am presently showing.. I would like to know what you all think of him? Thanks.. |
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Shelbysmom~ You are so right! Shyyorkies~ I love your boy....he is a beauty! |
Interesting You know, this is a very interesting topic for me... My Mother (who got extremely lucky in another breed, and produced 4 homebred champions from her FIRST litter) which she called a "calculated risk" decided I was a "backyard breeder" the other day. Thank you mother. I asked her what her criteria for that statement was, and she said because I have not yet finished my own homebred champion. Well considering they are SEVEN WEEKS OLD..I asked her to give them time to at least get lead broken before we go start throwing in the towel please! I spent 2 years showing other peoples dogs, then my own, who proved to be less than what I felt I should exhibit, but I kept at it, until I bought a BEAUTIFUL boy of someone elses breeding, but who will be a wonderful foundation for me, and a SUPER fun dog to show and finish MYSELF. I did not jump into this breed, and breed, I waited 2 years to learn EVERYTHING I could, research every pedigree I could get my hands on, learn everything about genetics, and "calculated risks", etc. before I made the decision to attempt a breeding. Do I consider myself a show breeder? No. I consider myself an exhibitor. I am HOPEFUL my little seven week old kiddos will grow up to be all I tried to throw together in the gene pool for them to be, but I don't have a crystal ball, so we wait. Until then I suppose, I am a back yard breeder, at least Mommy Dearest says so.. LOL |
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That is sad, I'm sorry your mom said that to you. You are doing everything right and one day soon, you will be proving her wrong with all you have acomplished in your dogs. All the best! |
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That's sweet of you to say Melanie, but he couldn't be perfect, or I could just stop here! :) Gotta have something to strive for, right? I do think he's going to be a LOT of fun to show and a great asset to my future. Can't wait to see you next week, and then you can meet him in person, and I can finally meet Tegan and "my" crazy girl! :) |
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Hugs, Irene aka 'wanna be show breeder' |
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I sincerely hope you have a show hopeful in your current litter. Sounds to me like you have done everything right in your careful research. Showing dogs as you know is not cheap, and anytime I do sell a puppy, that money goes straight to my showing fund. Of course it doesn't quite do it since I don't breed much, but it helps. :) Much luck to you on your current babies. |
You nailed it Cher! They were a very carefully planned breeding to get exactly what TYPE I wanted sealed into my "soon to be" line right from the beginning, and I'm praying we did it! Yes all the kids are staying put until one of them tells me otherwise. I may be that crazy lady who has twice as many males as females, but that's okay with me, I love showing and hate breeding, so what do I need girls for anyways?? HEHE! Boys are sweeter! As for putting any money back into the dogs.. well I'm so far into the red at this point, I don't think a couple of puppy sales would make much difference. Every time I make entries at this point my husband looks at me with the debit card and says "where now"?? Bless his heart, we're newlyweds, so I tried to break him in slowly..then the season started and oh well..gotta go show, sorry. As for my mother..well I doubt she was joking, but that's a whole other ball of wax.. I have let her roll off my back for 30 years now, and I expect I'll do it another 30. Was good practice to grow tough skin for the show world, HEHE |
i just recentley went to the AKC dog show in Chicago, and let me tell you the prissiest of yorkies were there! my yorkie is quite the princess, she has the bows, the clothing, the designer stuff, but most of all she is a normal dog. the yorkies i saw at the show were to fake, to me they were just "dogs" and i never thought a toy dog was just a dog before. our's has so much personailty and loves people and i got the chance to pet and see the yorkies in the show and they were very un-welcoming. this is my first couple years with the terrier breed and i think it is something to get use to from the retriever, But the show breeders and just show dogs i saw were know were near as special as the yorkies i have seeen elsewhere. but it didnt seem like they were nurtured and loved as we love our pets. i think a show dog is very different than the dog that sleep right next to your head everyt night. |
I had the opposite experience when I went to a show in CA last year. I thought the dogs were gorgeous and everyone in the room had an appreciation of the breed. Sure some of the breeders were arrogant and their dogs looked empty but MOST were adorable and happy little prancers that I wanted to take home! before the show, everyone is nervous and it isn't a good time to approach the dogs or the breeders. After they show most are nice and open to talking to you. The dogs were soooooo cute. I was invited to one persons room to see her pups and I held her show dog. Sweet and funny and a typical Yorkie, just more beautiful than most of our pets. And many show dogs end up sharing pillows with loved ones after they contribute to the advancement of this beautiful breed. |
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You are also right about talking before showing. You don't want to know how many times people have distracted me and I almost missed going in the ring, so now I try not to pay attention to anything but the person calling in the classes. We pay a lot of money to be there and sure don't want to miss getting in the ring. We have to have great attitudes to have a great dog, but most dogs are resting up before going into the ring. Are mine arrogant, well sure, they know they are gorgeous! :) |
This thread seems to be answered predominantly by members in a specific geographic location of the US, which I find very interesting. But I think it is a very good 'read' for all of us. It points out how many different attitudes there are here at YT about breeders, and that for all of us, we need to respect the differences among us. For those looking to start showing dogs or just for a new breeder to buy from, and those who have been doing show breeding for a long time, this is valuable information. It shows that there are many different methods to pick who you want to do business with; show breeder, breeder only, hobbist, etc., and who to learn from. YT has all kinds of breeders here, not just show breeders. I had to bump this up, it is very good. |
These dogs are loved and cared for, but they do have to learn to stand to be groomed so it may look mechanical to someone who does not understand. It is true that their coat has to be protected and they may be wrapped before they leave the show ground. At a show....people are nervous, LOL I have heard of people who get physically throwup sick before they go into the ring. Trying to groom and putting a topknot in for the third time with 4 minutes left to ring time. It can be a pressure cooker. If you want to approach anyone do it after they show, by that time the pressure is off and they may have time to talk.. . . while they are wrapping their dog. |
And some the night before they are shown! |
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Cher misbehaving on the table is one thing...but the Yorkie that comes to a stop before the judge, stares the judge down, and barks at the judge just once, then spins around twice.....well, first you hear the laughter at ringside and then a little applause! Love to see a happy, confident dog in the ring and maybe with just a little touch of animation or some would call it misbehaving! :>))) It is just a Yorkie thing! |
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I really do not think this is just a yorkie thing. I believe this is called attitude. As you know not all Yorkies that go into a ring will show off. It is a goal to breed for this wonderful temperment. That can have attitude and showmanship in any situation! People think only health issue's need to be bred for there are many other things to take into consideration when breeding properly! Like attitude and temperment ;) |
You are very correct. Temperment should be right there next to health. In a dog that is shown, attitude is a must. IMO. I am also one who believes the dog should be well angulated, front and rear, well muscled, good spring of rib, tail up and when the dog moves in the ring, the topline should never waver. Difficult to have it all. |
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