Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1863724)

A light coat or black is now a disqualifying fault (unfortunately), a bad rear, bad front, bad topline, etc are faults but are not disqualifying faults unless the dog is crippled or is a real mess and those are usually excused, not disqualified. Most faults are obvious to the judges eye but I really don't know if judges can tell if a dog is dyed or not since I have never done that. There is no perfect Yorkie and they all have faults, some more than others. I totally agree that soundness is of the utmost importance but if you have a ring full of quality Yorkies then the dyed Yorkie should not be winning as the best representative of the breed if there are equally sound dogs in the ring. Maybe it is not unethical since so many show people (not just Yorkies breeders) alter the appearance of their show dogs but I consider it cheating, just like athletes that use steroids, many get away with it so does that make it okay? If you want my honest opinion, I wish the Yorkshire Terrier standard did not put so much emphasis on coat color so breeders and handler would not be so compelled to color their dogs. The emphasis should be on soundness and coat quality and texture. JMHO

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1863760)

Wish it were a perfect world but unfortunately it's not :( More judges than you realize can tell when a yorkie is colored but again I prefer a sound healthy dog over whether or not it's colored JMHO but you are right too much emphasis is put on the coat color and not the structure and soundness of the dog. But, to me color is just like putting on make up for a pagent but doesn't affect the breeding stock and soundness and health issues...yes you'd be correct it's cheating but I've been beaten by several colored dogs but that didn't bother me because the dogs that beat me were sound and beautiful anyway and not saying my dog isn't just as sound and beautiful the one that beat me was a nice dog....even tho it was colored...

Donna

Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1863892)

I know all to well that judges over look way too much, especially if there is a professional handler at the end of the lead.
The YTCA has in their Code of Ethics:

I guess some people just pick and choose which rules to abide by. I know things will never change, it is all part of the winning game and I guess they just can't help themselves.

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1863935)

Then I guess using hairspray, anti static spray, flat iron and gel would have to be considered against the rules too....like you said some just pick and choose which rules to abide by...
If everyone played by the rules then all we'd have to do is pull the top knot up without teasing, applying hairspray and whatever it takes to make it pretty and making that coat shiny and flat that the iron does. So you see we all enhance the dog in one way or another :)

Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1864018)

Yes, I have wondered about all that too. Wouldn't life be so simple if we could show them all natural. I have not even attempted ironing yet, that scares me to death. I can't figure out how the handlers can get so many dogs ready for the show ring. I get stress out just trying to do one. Good luck this weekend, Donna, Radar is a lovely dog.:thumbup:

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1863935)

Then I guess using hairspray, anti static spray, flat iron and gel would have to be considered against the rules too....like you said some just pick and choose which rules to abide by...
If everyone played by the rules then all we'd have to do is pull the top knot up without teasing, applying hairspray and whatever it takes to make it pretty and making that coat shiny and flat that the iron does. So you see we all enhance the dog in one way or another :)

Originally Posted by Saleswman (Post 1864034)

You go girl...

Originally Posted by Saleswman (Post 1864065)

Can you tell I am getting tired????:eek:

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1864093)

Nawww, I love that phrase LOL! But in all honesty, enhancing is part of the dog show world whether it be simply using hairspray, gel, or even coloring. Everyone chooses which rule to break right or wrong. Within any breed, health, structure and movement should be the #1 concern over any kind of enhancements that might go on....JMHO
Like I stated before if only in a perfect world :)

LOL....

Originally Posted by Saleswman (Post 1864108)

Way way back in the early 80"s when I had a schnauzer in the ring...they were chaulking then.....no one had a problem with it, as that is what was expected to keep their muzzle and leg furnishing white.....

What is the difference? Besides 25 years...LOL



Oh gosh.......I did not mean to let you all know I was NOT 30 yrs old...LOL

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1864153)

LOL...I wish I had gotten involved in showing alot earlier than I have. Chalking still goes on and nothing is said, I see it all the time and the black eye liner that is used on the s**tz Shues ( I can't spell that breed LOL ) around the top knot to enhance the black that is on some of them. The Bichons that are chalked with white and the maltese and the list goes on and it seems the the yorkie exhibitors are always getting the shaft when someone colors their dog....I can't stress enough that health, structure and movement should be the #1 concern and not the enhancements that are made on a lot of breeds. I'm now off my soap box! LOL....

Originally Posted by tegamom1 (Post 1864180)

Hey, Shirley, I was there 25 + years ago...I can tell you, there are some judges in the ring now, that were handlers that could "paint" terriers like no one would ever believe. Took a lot of talent!! Won't name any names...what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas..lol