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Breezeaway 01-06-2011 03:52 PM
Ideal Height and weight for Showing?
 
Is there an ideal height and weight for yorkies in the show ring?
Is it different between males and females?
I know they aren't to be over 7 lbs but what is the average, esp. height?

Nancy1999 01-06-2011 03:57 PM
You can show a dog over 7 pounds, and many have won. It's probably harder to show a female under 5 pounds than it would be to show a male under 5lbs. Not sure about height, I think it's about proportion, and they should look square, in other words, legs as long as body.

Maximo 01-06-2011 04:16 PM
If I recall correctly reading older threads here, 9 inches (at the shoulder) would be the high end of desirable height.

jencar98 01-06-2011 04:26 PM
You wouldn't show a female under 5lbs as the purpose of showing is to evaluate breeding stock and reputable breeders wouldn't breed a bitch under 5lbs( I know those that have posted are likely aware of this but thought for others reading this might be informative). I've seen several males though that would have been under 5lbs. I've been told yorkies shown in Canada and along the east coast (except Florida) are typically taller than yorkies shown in the south and from what I've seen that seems to be true.

Mardelin 01-06-2011 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3383451)
If I recall correctly reading older threads here, 9 inches (at the shoulder) would be the high end of desirable height.
There is nothing in the standard that designates height. What you want is a well balanced dog. Height at the shoulders should be equal to the length from base of the neck to base of the tail. You will see a bitch that is slighty longer than taller....most breeders prefer that in the females for whelping purposes.

You can get away with showing a smaller dog than bitch. However, the dogs shown in NYC at the National are on the larger size. I've shown in various parts of the country, Central US dogs are pretty much in the middle of the road......On the West Coast they are a bit smaller. But, that changes all the time.

Maximo 01-06-2011 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3383479)
There is nothing in the standard that designates height. What you want is a well balanced dog. Height at the shoulders should be equal to the length from base of the neck to base of the tail. You will see a bitch that is slighty longer than taller....most breeders prefer that in the females for whelping purposes.

You can get away with showing a smaller dog than bitch. However, the dogs shown in NYC at the National are on the larger size. I've shown in various parts of the country, Central US dogs are pretty much in the middle of the road......On the West Coast they are a bit smaller. But, that changes all the time.
I understand what you are saying that overall structure (well balanced) is of utmost importance, but would a dog as tall as my 11.5 inch high boys be an unusual sight in the ring -- even where larger dogs are shown?

Breezeaway 01-06-2011 05:03 PM
That is what I was wondering, I have a female out of CH Graffity and a Rothby/ Durrer Dam. She is almost 10 weeks old and seems like she is going to be tall.

Mardelin 01-06-2011 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3383510)
I understand what you saying that overall structure (well balanced) is of utmost importance, but would a dog as tall as my 11.5 inch high boys be an unusual sight in the ring -- even where larger dogs are shown?
I've seen dogs that appear to be on stilts, sometimes not have good body width.....too leggy, and not a pretty picture, at least to me.......I've seen a few on them on the taller side, however, not all judges will put a dog up that is that tall. But, there are other down falls to those that are too leggy....knee problems. There again, health issues. I love a dog with a bit more leg, if they are a good balanced dog, with good movement they do make a gorgeous picture when they are gaiting around the ring with their coat flowing.

Mardelin 01-06-2011 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3383519)
That is what I was wondering, I have a female out of CH Graffity and a Rothby/ Durrer Dam. She is almost 10 weeks old and seems like she is going to be tall.
Wait a bit, at 10 weeks of age, too soon to tell. Especially with that line. They tend to grow up front and stop.

YorkieRose 01-06-2011 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3383510)
I understand what you are saying that overall structure (well balanced) is of utmost importance, but would a dog as tall as my 11.5 inch high boys be an unusual sight in the ring -- even where larger dogs are shown?
... show outdoors in grass..that sucks up some leg..if all else is outstanding, I would try it...what have you got to lose..but I would not show unless the coat is fully grow to the floor.

Maximo 01-06-2011 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3383544)
I've seen dogs that appear to be on stilts, sometimes not have good body width.....too leggy, and not a pretty picture, at least to me.......I've seen a few on them on the taller side, however, not all judges will put a dog up that is that tall. But, there are other down falls to those that are too leggy....knee problems. There again, health issues. I love a dog with a bit more leg, if they are a good balanced dog, with good movement they do make a gorgeous picture when they are gaiting around the ring with their coat flowing.
Thank you for your insight. Do leggy ones typically take longer to grow coat to floor length?

Maximo 01-06-2011 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3383573)
... show outdoors in grass..that sucks up some leg..if all else is outstanding, I would try it...what have you got to lose..but I would not show unless the coat is fully grow to the floor.
Thank you, but my boys are pets. I'm just an interested civilian. :)

jencar98 01-06-2011 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3383573)
... show outdoors in grass..that sucks up some leg..if all else is outstanding, I would try it...what have you got to lose..but I would not show unless the coat is fully grow to the floor.
Do they hold more outdoor shows in Florida than in other areas Pat? I've never seen an outdoor show here, all are indoors.

gemy 01-06-2011 05:35 PM
It is all about balance. A taller well proportioned dog is a joy to behold in the ring. but with the 7lb limit, that also defacto limits height x length, given proper bone structure.

In terms of Canadian Shows, I've not particularly noticed taller/larger dogs per say compared to where I have observed shows in the US. In canada, my boy is "tall" and is typically the tallest dog in the ring.
In terms of males in Canada, I think the judges for the most part, don't want too "small" a male ie 4lbs or so, also they want a good structured and sized female.

Mardelin 01-06-2011 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3383589)
Thank you for your insight. Do leggy ones typically take longer to grow coat to floor length?
Yep! At least in my experience.....it seems like I'm always waiting for coat. Most all shows in California are out doors.......

Breezeaway 01-06-2011 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3383551)
Wait a bit, at 10 weeks of age, too soon to tell. Especially with that line. They tend to grow up front and stop.
the puppies Dam Is the absolute picture of gait, it is so hard to explain in words. Some of my other yorkies kind of prance, she does not ......she glides and reaches with her front legs. Her reach is what just sets her off to me. She just has an air about her. I am going to try to get a video of her when the weather warms up.

Mardelin 01-06-2011 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3383626)
the puppies Dam Is the absolute picture of gait, it is so hard to explain in words. Some of my other yorkies kind of prance, she does not ......she glides and reaches with her front legs. Her reach is what just sets her off to me. She just has an air about her. I am going to try to get a video of her when the weather warms up.
That's what you're looking for....a strong reach, without that topline faltering.

I think it was Jay Amon/Montclair that had some wonderful articles on structure and movement in the YT Magazine......

CarlyBaby 01-06-2011 06:17 PM
It's been my experience in my very limited time in the show ring....here in Canada that the bitches that I've see shown are considerably larger than the dogs. Not always, but in general. My boy is on the smaller side of what I see usually at 5 lbs 3 oz and 9 1/2 " at the shoulder. But I've seen a lot of larger dogs that aren't necessarily nicer...they might look nice stacked, but when they move they don't move well.

I find that in the specials ring larger dogs are the normal, Sebastien definitely looks small compared to many.

In Vegas there were all sizes, surprisingly to me in the BOB class many of the well known dogs that are at the top of the stats were not as big as I thought they'd be, for instance Hit the Jackpot, Stringer's Something's got to Give, Diamond Jim ,Lane's Mini Cooper ....just top name a few are all dogs of little more than 5 lbs. This made me feel better about my little guy.

Mardelin 01-06-2011 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CarlyBaby (Post 3383701)
It's been my experience in my very limited time in the show ring....here in Canada that the bitches that I've see shown are considerably larger than the dogs. Not always, but in general. My boy is on the smaller side of what I see usually at 5 lbs 3 oz and 9 1/2 " at the shoulder. But I've seen a lot of larger dogs that aren't necessarily nicer...they might look nice stacked, but when they move they don't move well.

I find that in the specials ring larger dogs are the normal, Sebastien definitely looks small compared to many.

In Vegas there were all sizes, surprisingly to me in the BOB class many of the well known dogs that are at the top of the stats were not as big as I thought they'd be, for instance Hit the Jackpot, Stringer's Something's got to Give, Diamond Jim ,Lane's Mini Cooper ....just top name a few are all dogs of little more than 5 lbs. This made me feel better about my little guy.
You're totally correct.....however, Diamond Jim was larger that the others. Jack is 5 pounds......Jackpot is middle of the road.

Wait till you get Sebastian to NY, definate difference.

CarlyBaby 01-06-2011 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3383711)
You're totally correct.....however, Diamond Jim was larger that the others. Jack is 5 pounds......Jackpot is middle of the road.

Wait till you get Sebastian to NY, definate difference.
Yes, I noticed that on the DVD's from NY last year, a lot more larger dogs there, compared to Vegas. The Specialty winner Oz's Over the Top is between 5 1/2 and 6 lbs and to me he looked small compared to some of the others.

I'm not going to NY Mary :( I wish I was

Mardelin 01-06-2011 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CarlyBaby (Post 3383729)
Yes, I noticed that on the DVD's from NY last year, a lot more larger dogs there, compared to Vegas. The Specialty winner Oz's Over the Top is between 5 1/2 and 6 lbs and to me he looked small compared to some of the others.

I'm not going to NY Mary :( I wish I was
Why not? Sebastian deserves to be in the ring there...

Neither am I this year.....Delilah is still a baby and not in coat yet. Although, she shows beautifully, she still has a mind of her own and hates to be hard stacked...she perfers to self stack, but because she gets distracted at the weirdest times I still can't trust her 100% of the time to keep my hands off of her. I do prefer a dog that self stacks, they make a prettier picture...she's just not seasoned yet.

CarlyBaby 01-06-2011 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3383734)
Why not? Sebastian deserves to be in the ring there...

Neither am I this year.....Delilah is still a baby and not in coat yet. Although, she shows beautifully, she still has a mind of her own and hates to be hard stacked...she perfers to self stack, but because she gets distracted at the weirdest times I still can't trust her 100% of the time to keep my hands off of her. I do prefer a dog that self stacks, they make a prettier picture...she's just not seasoned yet.
We'll be away on a cuise during the Specialty. I do have a surprise though....I'll PM you :)

I just received my DVD'd from the Las Vegas Specialty and watched you and Delilah, she is so sweet ! It was nice to watch as I missed most of it ,...as you know LOL

Yes, she'll be more seasoned next year for sure. Will you plan to take her to San Antonio ?

Mardelin 01-06-2011 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CarlyBaby (Post 3383757)
We'll be away on a cuise during the Specialty. I do have a surprise though....I'll PM you :)

I just received my DVD'd from the Las Vegas Specialty and watched you and Delilah, she is so sweet ! It was nice to watch as I missed most of it ,...as you know LOL

Yes, she'll be more seasoned next year for sure. Will you plan to take her to San Antonio ?
Planning on San Antonio......but, the best laid plans...

There's the Oklahoma Specialty in May, San Antonio in July and Bluebonnet in September.......Gonna have to pick and choose here.

Delilah sweet....Carl you got to hold onto her.....now come on...let's be honest......sweet is not a word to describe her.

CarlyBaby 01-06-2011 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3383770)
Planning on San Antonio......but, the best laid plans...

There's the Oklahoma Specialty in May, San Antonio in July and Bluebonnet in September.......Gonna have to pick and choose here.

Delilah sweet....Carl you got to hold onto her.....now come on...let's be honest......sweet is not a word to describe her.
LOL well she looked sweet on TV
Showing at a Specialty is so different than a regular dog show....it's going to hard to go back, but there is only one Specialty anually in Canada for yorkies, and it's a one day show

Mardelin 01-06-2011 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by CarlyBaby (Post 3383781)
LOL well she looked sweet on TV
Showing at a Specialty is so different than a regular dog show....it's going to hard to go back, but there is only one Specialty anually in Canada for yorkies, and it's a one day show
I do prefer the atmosphere at a Specialty much better. That and to be able to see old yorkie friends from all over.

CarlyBaby 01-06-2011 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3383785)
I do prefer the atmosphere at a Specialty much better. That and to be able to see old yorkie friends from all over.
Agreed, what a social experience it was....we loved it !

lisaly 01-06-2011 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CarlyBaby (Post 3383781)
LOL well she looked sweet on TV
Showing at a Specialty is so different than a regular dog show....it's going to hard to go back, but there is only one Specialty anually in Canada for yorkies, and it's a one day show
I'm glad you said this because it's something I've wondered about, and I am trying to learn. What is the difference between a Specialty and a regular dog show?

Mardelin 01-06-2011 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by lisaly (Post 3383797)
I'm glad you said this because it's something I've wondered about, and I am trying to learn. What is the difference between a Specialty and a regular dog show?
A specialty is where only one breed is shown. They have Regional Specialties and National Specialties. YTCA has the roving National and the National that happens every Feb. in NY, the weekend before Westminster.

A regular dog show is an all breed show.

Mardelin 01-06-2011 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CarlyBaby (Post 3383795)
Agreed, what a social experience it was....we loved it !
But, you gotta admit that it is a bit more intense.....

Brooklynn 01-06-2011 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3383785)
I do prefer the atmosphere at a Specialty much better. That and to be able to see old yorkie friends from all over.
I love going to the specialties!! I'm excited about NY to see friends! I'll be at the roving in SA as I have been asked to volunteer with the health screening clinic at the roving :) I'm really excited about that!! My hope is to eventually be more involved with the health committee!!

Europe has height requirements since the question was asked but I'm sorry I don't know what it is. I know some that would like the height requirement be required instead of not to exceed 7 pounds. One also has to remember while showing is that it goes in cycles....some years the judges tend to go for small and then the next time you see them putting yorkies up on leg and then middle of the road. Seems like this year it's the small side they are putting up! I prefer middle of the road yorkie. I still prefer the eleganance but have started to change my views on what type I like.

Cant' wait for NY...Carl gonna miss seeing you in NY!


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