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Mardelin 01-06-2011 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3383808)
I love going to the specialties!! I'm excited about NY to see friends! I'll be at the roving in SA as I have been asked to volunteer with the health screening clinic at the roving :) I'm really excited about that!! My hope is to eventually be more involved with the health committee!!

Europe has height requirements since the question was asked but I'm sorry I don't know what it is. I know some that would like the height requirement be required instead of not to exceed 7 pounds. One also has to remember while showing is that it goes in cycles....some years the judges tend to go for small and then the next time you see them putting yorkies up on leg and then middle of the road. Seems like this year it's the small side they are putting up! I prefer middle of the road yorkie. I still prefer the eleganance but have started to change my views on what type I like.

Cant' wait for NY...Carl gonna miss seeing you in NY!
I remember when Kathy Butcher Sawyer judged.....it seemed that everyone took the smaller to her, as she prefers them on the smaller side.

CarlyBaby 01-06-2011 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3383807)
But, you gotta admit that it is a bit more intense.....
That's for sure....I was let's say ...just a little frazzled LOL

Mardelin 01-06-2011 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CarlyBaby (Post 3383816)
That's for sure....I was let's say ...just a little frazzled LOL
That will ease as you attend more Specialties......

Don't forget to pack that hose.

CarlyBaby 01-06-2011 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3383808)
I love going to the specialties!! I'm excited about NY to see friends! I'll be at the roving in SA as I have been asked to volunteer with the health screening clinic at the roving :) I'm really excited about that!! My hope is to eventually be more involved with the health committee!!

Europe has height requirements since the question was asked but I'm sorry I don't know what it is. I know some that would like the height requirement be required instead of not to exceed 7 pounds. One also has to remember while showing is that it goes in cycles....some years the judges tend to go for small and then the next time you see them putting yorkies up on leg and then middle of the road. Seems like this year it's the small side they are putting up! I prefer middle of the road yorkie. I still prefer the eleganance but have started to change my views on what type I like.

Cant' wait for NY...Carl gonna miss seeing you in NY!
Going to miss seeing you too Donna, but I'll be watching on my computer, remember to wave !

Brooklynn 01-06-2011 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CarlyBaby (Post 3383826)
Going to miss seeing you too Donna, but I'll be watching on my computer, remember to wave !
LOL waving will be the last thing on my mind LOL....I forget the camera is in the ring but glad you'll be watching! This is Radar's last visit to Westminster so gonna be bittersweet this year! Maybe next year I'll just go to NY without a dog, I've done that before and enjoyed it alot LOL..no pressure like Vegas!

CarlyBaby 01-06-2011 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3383837)
LOL waving will be the last thing on my mind LOL....I forget the camera is in the ring but glad you'll be watching! This is Radar's last visit to Westminster so gonna be bittersweet this year! Maybe next year I'll just go to NY without a dog, I've done that before and enjoyed it alot LOL..no pressure like Vegas!
How old is Radar Now ? Does this mean you'll be retiring him , or just not showing at Westminster ?

Yes, I think it would be fun to go sometime without a dog, a much better visit for sure....although I'm sure that I'd want to be in the ring or at least helping groom for someone

lisaly 01-06-2011 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3383804)
A specialty is where only one breed is shown. They have Regional Specialties and National Specialties. YTCA has the roving National and the National that happens every Feb. in NY, the weekend before Westminster.

A regular dog show is an all breed show.
Thank you so much for your reply. I knew that the Specialty was only for the one breed. If I am understanding it correctly here, what sets it apart from the breed showing at a regular dog show is that it attracts more exhibitors from the breed other than a regular dog show and that's what adds to the different atmosphere, since it is more of the enthusiasts to that specific breed. If I am confused about this, please set me straight. For me to be in a room with all Yorkies who represent to me my ideal image of a Yorkie would be like having a dream come true. I just love to read about all of this here. I always appreciate the help you offer to all of us.

Brooklynn 01-06-2011 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CarlyBaby (Post 3383840)
How old is Radar Now ? Does this mean you'll be retiring him , or just not showing at Westminster ?

Yes, I think it would be fun to go sometime without a dog, a much better visit for sure....although I'm sure that I'd want to be in the ring or at least helping groom for someone
Radar is 5 years old and retiring from All-breed shows. I want to show him at the local specialities here to see if I personally can win a BISS with him but there are only 3 in my area so if he doesn't win one this year he's retired permenantly. So with that said he'll be shown 3 times after NY this year. I, do, however have things coming up to play around with so I'll still be in the ring on occassions this year :)

Mardelin 01-06-2011 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by lisaly (Post 3383846)
Thank you so much for your reply. I knew that the Specialty was only for the one breed. If I am understanding it correctly here, what sets it apart from the breed showing at a regular dog show is that it attracts more exhibitors from the breed other than a regular dog show and that's what adds to the different atmosphere, since it is more of the enthusiasts to that specific breed. If I am confused about this, please set me straight. For me to be in a room with all Yorkies who represent to me my ideal image of a Yorkie would be like having a dream come true. I just love to read about all of this here. I always appreciate the help you offer to all of us.
You pretty much nailed it. It attracts exhibitors from all over the country & other countries. It's a very intense atmosphere prior to ring time, but there is also a festival type atmosphere. Especially in NY.....so many dog people, so much activity; people meeting in the resturant or coffee shop downstairs, going shopping, sightseeing, Broadway shows. Going back and forth to each other's rooms, playing with dogs, helping each other out with each other's dogs......

My question to you is since you live in Long Island....are you planning on attending any of the shows.

CarlyBaby 01-06-2011 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3383848)
Radar is 5 years old and retiring from All-breed shows. I want to show him at the local specialities here to see if I personally can win a BISS with him but there are only 3 in my area so if he doesn't win one this year he's retired permenantly. So with that said he'll be shown 3 times after NY this year. I, do, however have things coming up to play around with so I'll still be in the ring on occassions this year :)

Wow ! Time passes quickly ! Well, good luck on the BISS I so hope you get one before you retire him, he sure is a beautiful boy Donna :)

I'm so glad you have some other things to play with !

lisaly 01-06-2011 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3383854)
You pretty much nailed it. It attracts exhibitors from all over the country & other countries. It's a very intense atmosphere prior to ring time, but there is also a festival type atmosphere. Especially in NY.....so many dog people, so much activity; people meeting in the resturant or coffee shop downstairs, going shopping, sightseeing, Broadway shows. Going back and forth to each other's rooms, playing with dogs, helping each other out with each other's dogs......

My question to you is since you live in Long Island....are you planning on attending any of the shows.
Thank you very much for helping me to understand all of this and for everything else that you do. I am planning on attending on one of the days in February. It will be my first dog show, and I am really excited about it. I feel really at home seeing any dogs and I adore them, but Yorkies especially have completely stolen my heart since I was a teenager. I can only imagine the emotions I am going to feel being at the Specialty next month.

kjcmsw 01-06-2011 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3383734)
Why not? Sebastian deserves to be in the ring there...

Neither am I this year.....Delilah is still a baby and not in coat yet. Although, she shows beautifully, she still has a mind of her own and hates to be hard stacked...she perfers to self stack, but because she gets distracted at the weirdest times I still can't trust her 100% of the time to keep my hands off of her. I do prefer a dog that self stacks, they make a prettier picture...she's just not seasoned yet.

Since I don't show, but find it interesting, I'm the first to admit I'm not up on the show terminology (but would like to learn more) --- could you please explain self stack/hard stacked? Forgive my ignorance, trying to learn more.

manolos mom 01-07-2011 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3383589)
Thank you for your insight. Do leggy ones typically take longer to grow coat to floor length?
My Hank is very leggy, he measures 10.5 from shoulder to ground and 10.5 from shoulder blade to his tail base. He has a silk coat that is slow growing. I have put him in the ring 4 times but will wait until July for more coat. He looks like he is walking on stilts. But he has the most gorgoeous color and structure and head. Love those legs. :)

Mardelin 01-07-2011 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by kjcmsw (Post 3384029)
Since I don't show, but find it interesting, I'm the first to admit I'm not up on the show terminology (but would like to learn more) --- could you please explain self stack/hard stacked? Forgive my ignorance, trying to learn more.
Hard stacking is when you put a dog into a stack position and your hands are placed on certain parts of the dog's anatomy to keep the dog in position. Free/self stack is when a dog put's itself in the proper stance, holds the position with you only holding onto the lead.

There are certain times when a dog is being examined by the judge when a dog is expected to be in stacked position. On initial entery to the ring, when on the table being examined (the dog is expected to be perfectly still while the judge is going over it's anatomy), when the judge is examining the dog individually after it has gaited and on final group evaluation by the judge. All is dependent on how the judge runs their ring.

Mardelin 01-07-2011 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by lisaly (Post 3383885)
Thank you very much for helping me to understand all of this and for everything else that you do. I am planning on attending on one of the days in February. It will be my first dog show, and I am really excited about it. I feel really at home seeing any dogs and I adore them, but Yorkies especially have completely stolen my heart since I was a teenager. I can only imagine the emotions I am going to feel being at the Specialty next month.
Puppy Sweeps are held on Friday for both clubs; YTCA and YTC of Greater NY
(puppy sweeps is a blast, no points involved but, you get to see what is up and coming)
Progressive Dog Show at the Penn Hotel across from the Garden on Friday Afternoon.
Saturday at the NYer YTC of Greater NY - Regular Classes
Sunday at the NYer YTCA - Regular Classes.

Brooklynn 01-07-2011 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by CarlyBaby (Post 3383868)
Wow ! Time passes quickly ! Well, good luck on the BISS I so hope you get one before you retire him, he sure is a beautiful boy Donna :)

I'm so glad you have some other things to play with !
Thanks Carl! It's going to be hard to retire him as he is my boy and traveling companion! However, he will probably still come to the shows with me as my traveling buddy! I hope I can win one but if not he's done extremely well in the ring and I'm so proud of him!
This year is going to be good I think with what's up and coming :) Good and exciting things happening. Just can't wait for things to get started :) Can you say excited? LOL

YorkieRose 01-07-2011 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3383606)
Do they hold more outdoor shows in Florida than in other areas Pat? I've never seen an outdoor show here, all are indoors.
..we do not have shows outdoors in the summer months for the most part..in Md, unless it has changed, many are outdoors, even more then here...

YorkieRose 01-07-2011 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3383814)
I remember when Kathy Butcher Sawyer judged.....it seemed that everyone took the smaller to her, as she prefers them on the smaller side.
As I recall her SparrowHawk was a very small boy...that was decades ago!!

Breezeaway 01-07-2011 03:57 PM
I have another question, I notice that most of the dogs I see from brazil(LBV), Hungary(SOC) Have very very short ears in the photos.
After they get to the U.S and are bred to even imported females the pups come out with big ears. I see alot of that. Do some still secretly crop ears in some places?

YorkieRose 01-07-2011 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3384784)
I have another question, I notice that most of the dogs I see from brazil(LBV), Hungary(SOC) Have very very short ears in the photos.
After they get to the U.S and are bred to even imported females the pups come out with big ears. I see alot of that. Do some still secretly crop ears in some places?
Some breeders have a way of "tying" (no pain) ears for the ring and photo's to appear smaller, better placed then a natural set...as to cropping, I have no clue..
I did have a male years ago who has one ear flop at 12 full months...a vet told me he could surgerically insert a thin piece of stainless steel in it...I was escorted out of his clinic, screaming...

jencar98 01-07-2011 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3384805)
Some breeders have a way of "tying" (no pain) ears for the ring and photo's to appear smaller, better placed then a natural set...as to cropping, I have no clue..
I did have a male years ago who has one ear flop at 12 full months...a vet told me he could surgerically insert a thin piece of stainless steel in it...I was escorted out of his clinic, screaming...
I could just see you (and don't blame you).....lol...Pat you've had some of the most *interesting* experiences in the yorkie world.

Mardelin 01-08-2011 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3384784)
I have another question, I notice that most of the dogs I see from brazil(LBV), Hungary(SOC) Have very very short ears in the photos.
After they get to the U.S and are bred to even imported females the pups come out with big ears. I see alot of that. Do some still secretly crop ears in some places?
You'll Delilah, Tahlulha and Denny in my AVATAR have a smaller tight ear set. Charmer and Go-Go though they have a tight ear set are on the taller side. They're all from the same line. I can accept a taller ear but, cannot handle and eastie/westie ear set.

I've never heard of the ear-cropping procedure on a yorkie until I read it on YT. If it's been done, I just don't know anyone that has had it done.......

WV~Yorkies 01-09-2011 02:22 AM
I really wish the mindset of people would change. I had a lady come visit me not to long ago looking at the pups. She seen my females and thought they were to big. I couldn't believe she thought 6 1/2 pounds is to big. I tried to explain why I liked a bigger female but gave up and just wanted to get rid of her. I think the short cobby girls are beautiful but for breeding I have had more success with the taller longer girls. I don't know if people will ever get away from the micro mini teacup but we can only hope.

gemy 01-09-2011 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies (Post 3386552)
I really wish the mindset of people would change. I had a lady come visit me not to long ago looking at the pups. She seen my females and thought they were to big. I couldn't believe she thought 6 1/2 pounds is to big. I tried to explain why I liked a bigger female but gave up and just wanted to get rid of her. I think the short cobby girls are beautiful but for breeding I have had more success with the taller longer girls. I don't know if people will ever get away from the micro mini teacup but we can only hope.
Well as long as there are movie stars who buy this minis, there will be gaggles of folks who want pup xyx just like movie star abc has.

YorkieRose 01-09-2011 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3385350)
You'll Delilah, Tahlulha and Denny in my AVATAR have a smaller tight ear set. Charmer and Go-Go though they have a tight ear set are on the taller side. They're all from the same line. I can accept a taller ear but, cannot handle and eastie/westie ear set.

I've never heard of the ear-cropping procedure on a yorkie until I read it on YT. If it's been done, I just don't know anyone that has had it done.......
I would not think the hair would grow off the ear correctly is it was cropped...ever seen a Boxer or Dobie ear..you can see the ear leather where the cut was made and there is no hair..of course they are a short haired breed and it is not problem....
I realize people do everything, but I have never in all my years heard of a show breeder cropping Yorkie ears...and there is no reason for a pet breeder to do it....

Nancy1999 01-09-2011 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by WV~Yorkies (Post 3386552)
I really wish the mindset of people would change. I had a lady come visit me not to long ago looking at the pups. She seen my females and thought they were to big. I couldn't believe she thought 6 1/2 pounds is to big. I tried to explain why I liked a bigger female but gave up and just wanted to get rid of her. I think the short cobby girls are beautiful but for breeding I have had more success with the taller longer girls. I don't know if people will ever get away from the micro mini teacup but we can only hope.
Breeding smaller and smaller yorkies is not good for the breed or the breeding dogs themselves. You have to continually remind yourself why you are breeding, and the aim of breeding should not be to please a puppy buying public. What's in or out changes too rapidly, and dogs are not a fashion accessory. I hope you stay strong in this.

Mardelin 01-09-2011 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3386985)
Breeding smaller and smaller yorkies is not good for the breed or the breeding dogs themselves. You have to continually remind yourself why you are breeding, and the aim of breeding should not be to please a puppy buying public. What's in or out changes too rapidly, and dogs are not a fashion accessory. I hope you stay strong in this.
My girlfriend was told by a lady with a dinky doo 3 pound yorkie that her Mia was not a pure bred yorkie cause she was 6 1/2 pounds..........

YorkieRose 01-09-2011 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3387228)
My girlfriend was told by a lady with a dinky doo 3 pound yorkie that her Mia was not a pure bred yorkie cause she was 6 1/2 pounds..........
My tinies take exception to the "Dinky doo" title..LOL You know I am kidding. I have had many wee ones..why they pop up over and over is a mystery sometimes...nice 6 and 7 pound mom's bred to 5 and plus pound males have given me some of my tinies...my 3 pound Becca is from a 6 1/2 pound male and female..they are healthy and long lived, so I can not complain.
People always ask how big the parents are and don't beleive a big girl can have a little girl or boy.
I had a champion male at 6 3/4 who repeatly sired 2 1/2 and 3 pounders...I retired him at 5 yrs because I had to keep his puppies so long and got attached.

manolos mom 01-09-2011 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3387314)
My tinies take exception to the "Dinky doo" title..LOL You know I am kidding. I have had many wee ones..why they pop up over and over is a mystery sometimes...nice 6 and 7 pound mom's bred to 5 and plus pound males have given me some of my tinies...my 3 pound Becca is from a 6 1/2 pound male and female..they are healthy and long lived, so I can not complain.
People always ask how big the parents are and don't beleive a big girl can have a little girl or boy.
I had a champion male at 6 3/4 who repeatly sired 2 1/2 and 3 pounders...I retired him at 5 yrs because I had to keep his puppies so long and got attached.
Have you ever shown a dinky do? Didn't know if any have ever been Championed. I bet they would look cute in the ring.lol

Mardelin 01-09-2011 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3387314)
My tinies take exception to the "Dinky doo" title..LOL You know I am kidding. I have had many wee ones..why they pop up over and over is a mystery sometimes...nice 6 and 7 pound mom's bred to 5 and plus pound males have given me some of my tinies...my 3 pound Becca is from a 6 1/2 pound male and female..they are healthy and long lived, so I can not complain.
People always ask how big the parents are and don't beleive a big girl can have a little girl or boy.
I had a champion male at 6 3/4 who repeatly sired 2 1/2 and 3 pounders...I retired him at 5 yrs because I had to keep his puppies so long and got attached.
It's what Lee calls them Dinky Do Nothings....Did you know that Doreen Hubbard finished a boy last year called Yorkboro's Dinky Do. She named him that because of Lee....now was he really a dinky, nope about 4 1/2 pounds.


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