Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 3222529)

And not as the example given above?

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3222492)

I think I just read that the classes have just changed. Can't remember where I read it but, it is 6-9 months 9-12, 12-15 & 15-18 months.....I'll double check.

Just remembered. It was in the entry form when entering a puppy in the South Bay Show.
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3222583)

That's why I said other classes. Unless it has changed the division of the puppy classes varies. I know some shows used to lump all puppies in the 6 to 12 month class and other bigger show would divide it up. The majority of the shows around here are held by Onofrio. I am not sure how other dog show superintendents offer classes. There is also the Novice class, American Bred class and the new Amateur-Owner-Handler class.

If the judges can't give crossover points then does that mean they will eliminate the Best of Winners award?

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 3222748)

Ace took both of his majors by cross-over and cross-overs were awarded last month in Bel Alton. Judges are still crossing over for a worthy dog whether AKC looses money from it or not. I know that AKC is in financial peril but it's not fair for them to not allow crossovers to a worthy dog.

Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3222487)

If you go back to that first link I posted that had the point scale for the different divisions it will show you how many dogs of each sex you have to beat in order to receive points from 1 to 5 per show. You live in Division 6.
Division 6 is comprised of: Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Wisconsin. In Division 6 it takes 7 dogs for a 3 point major and it takes 8 bitches for a 3 point major. For a dog to become a champion it has to win at least two shows that are majors and those major wins have to be under two different judges. It takes a total of 15 points for a dog to become a champion and those points have to be won under at least three different judges.

At a dog show all the males are shown first. There are different class divisions that exhibitors can enter their dogs in like puppy class, 12 to 18 month class, bred by exhibitor class, open class, there are other class beside those. After each class is judged then the 1st place winners of each class come back into the ring to complete for winners dog. The best male is awarded winners dog and is gets the points based on the number of other dogs he beat. After winners dog is selected the judge will select the reserve winners dog but that dog does not win any points unless later the winners dog is found to be disqualified. After the males are judged then the bitches are judged in the same manner. After the class dogs are judged then the winners dog and the winners bitch come back in the ring along with any specials (dogs or bitches that are already champions) and then judge will select Best of Breed, Best of Winners and Best of Opposite Sex.

For example if the winners bitch was awarded 3 points based on bitch entries and the winners dog was awarded 2 points based on males entries then if the male was awarded Best of Winners then he would be awarded 3 points instead of 2 since he beat the winners bitch.

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 3222748)

Ace took both of his majors by cross-over and cross-overs were awarded last month in Bel Alton. Judges are still crossing over for a worthy dog whether AKC looses money from it or not. I know that AKC is in financial peril but it's not fair for them to not allow crossovers to a worthy dog.

Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3222784)

I hope judges continue to do it when it is truly deserved. It should not be about money. I can't imagine they would completely quit doing it.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3222800)

Yes I saw all that but did not know what was meant by the word major. So it means a win?

Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3222583)

That's why I said other classes. Unless it has changed the division of the puppy classes varies. I know some shows used to lump all puppies in the 6 to 12 month class and other bigger show would divide it up. The majority of the shows around here are held by Onofrio. I am not sure how other dog show superintendents offer classes. There is also the Novice class, American Bred class and the new Amateur-Owner-Handler class.

If the judges can't give crossover points then does that mean they will eliminate the Best of Winners award?

Originally Posted by bjh (Post 3222834)

Yes, a major is a win where 3, 4 or 5 points are awarded.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3222828)

AKC is doing a lot of things because of Revenue. You'll find on occassion that there are some judges that are still crossing over the points, but not as often as it use to happen.

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3222851)

I know in OKC this May they didn't crossover the majors or Drea would have been finished already LOL since she won WB 3 of the 4 days but the count in dogs and bitches were so close I think the judges really didn't realize there was a major in dogs and not bitches. But winning 3 of the 4 days with Drea was just as good :)

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3222858)

The more seasoned judges tend to do run their ring the way they want. I know that when the numbers are so close I've had judges tell me they had to think a minute and check where the Major was so they'd cross over the right sex.

Originally Posted by musiccitymom (Post 3223019)

This is a great thread, so much information!