Question for YTCA members
 

I was looking at the YTCA code of ethics and I noticed the following is no longer in the code of ethics unless I am over looking it, it use to be ethic rule 7:

I am just curious when it was removed and why.

What do you see as rule 7? It's still there when I just checked. http://ytca.org/frame_index2

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1) A breeder-member shall strive to conform to the Yorkshire Terrier Standard as
approved by the American Kennel Club, to improve progeny, and to reduce faults
to a minimum.
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2) Members shall comply with the rules of the American Kennel Club concerning
record keeping and the registration, identification, sale, and transfer of dogs.
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3) Members shall refer potential puppy purchasers to other reputable breeders and
be helpful and courteous to those who request information about the breed.
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4) All stud dogs and bitches shall be screened prior to breeding for both infectious and
hereditary diseases using the then generally accepted and available techniques.
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5) A breeder-member selling puppies or offering stud services shall fully disclose to
potential clients any serious or disabling hereditary defects, including the reasonable
possibility of such defects.
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6) All contractual terms and conditions relating to Yorkshire Terriers shall be reduced
to writing and shall be honored by a member.
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7) An exhibitor-member shall not alter a dog’s natural appearance except as provided
in the Yorkshire Terrier Standard.
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8) A member shall not defame another member nor seek to impair a member’s
reputation, provided, however, a member shall report any serious situation that is
detrimental to the breed or is inconsistent with these principles.
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9) A member’s advertising:
- shall be professional in appearance and location;
- shall not refer to YTCA membership to attempt to enhance integrity or the quality of
stock;
- shall not contain any misleading photograph or other graphic materials; and
- shall not use terms as “teacup”, “tiny specialists”, doll faced, or similar terminology.
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10) A member shall sponsor an applicant for membership only if the member has
personally known the applicant for at least two years. At least one of the sponsoring
members must have visited the applicants’ facility at least once during the two years
immediately preceding the application date. .html


Is it possible that you are looking at the Code of Conduct, just below the Code of Ethics?


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1) Assistance and encouragement shall be willingly offered by members to show novices
and others needing advice and guidance. The welfare of the breed will be in their hands
in the future.
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2) All dogs will be kept under safe and sanitary conditions, be given maximum health
care and protection, including regular inoculations and proper nutrition.
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3) Healthy spacing between litters will be a priority and unspayed bitches will be
protected from unplanned matings. Bitches will in no case be bred before their second
heat or before they are at least 18 months of age, whichever comes first, nor be placed
at risk by an unreasonable number of cesarean sections and then only with the
concurrence of a veterinarian.
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4) Puppies will not be sold or consigned to pet stores, agents, or other commercial
enterprises nor sold to disreputable breeders, and neither puppies nor stud services
will be offered as prizes or for raffles.
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5) Prospective buyers will be screened as thoroughly as possible to determine their
intent, as well as their ability and interest in providing a safe, adequate, loving
environment and a long term relationship with a puppy or adult dog.
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6) All puppies and dogs offered for sale will be sold with written sales agreements to
include clear terms and conditions and be signed by the seller and buyer. The contract
will request that the seller be contacted in the event that at any time the owner is
unable to keep the dog, it will be the obligation of the seller to assist in the placement
of the dog in question.
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7) Purchasers will be required to neuter/spay all puppies sold as pets. If specified in
the written sales contract, the seller will promptly release limited registration forms
upon receipt of a veterinarian’s certification of such spaying or neutering.
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8) All puppies leaving the breeders possession will be a minimum of twelve (12) weeks
of age to facilitate adequate socialization as well as appropriate emotional and
temperament development through interaction with siblings, dam and other dogs.
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9) Breeders will provide puppy buyers with written details of feeding, general care,
date and types of a minimum of two (2) inoculations, as well as dates of wormings,
grooming instructions, etc. and be available to offer future advise as needed.
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10) Stud service will be offered only by and to AKC Full Registered, healthy, mature
dogs and bitches, respectively, and only of sound temperament. The dogs and Bitches
should be free of serious congenital and hereditary defects. Stud service will be
refused for any mating which is considered to not be in the best interest of the breed.
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11) Animals recently exposed to the risks of infectious diseases and bitches with
nursing whelp will not be exhibited.
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12) Members realize that they represent the dog fancy in general and Yorkshire
Terriers specifically to the general public. Members will act in a professional and
good sportsman-like manner at all times and will respect the rules of hotels/motels,
other show sites and of all show sponsors.
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Nancy, that is strange.:confused::confused:

This is what I get when I bring it up:

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America

CODE OF ETHICS
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1) A breeder-member shall strive to conform to the Yorkshire Terrier Standard as approved by the American Kennel Club, to improve progeny, and to reduce faults to a minimum.

2) Members shall comply with the rules of the American Kennel Club concerning record keeping and the registration, identification, sale, and transfer of dogs.

3) Members shall refer potential puppy purchasers to other reputable breeders and be helpful and courteous to those who request information about the breed.

4) All contractual terms and conditions relating to Yorkshire Terriers shall be reduced to writing and shall be honored by a member.

5) All stud dogs and bitches shall be screened prior to breeding for both infectious and hereditary diseases using the currently accepted and available techniques.

6) A breeder-member selling puppies or offering stud services shall fully disclose to potential clients any serious or disabling hereditary defects, including the reasonable possibility of such defects. Such health defects shall be stated in writing.

7) A member shall not defame another member or the YTCA nor seek to impair a member's or the YTCA's reputation, provided however, a member shall report any serious situation, created by another member, that is detrimental to the breed or is inconsistent with these principles. This report should be in writing and sent to the Club Secretary.

8) A member's advertising: -shall be professional in appearance and location; -may refer to YTCA membership but may not misuse YTCA membership to attempt to enhance integrity or the quality of stock; -shall not contain any misleading photograph or other graphic materials; -shall not use terms such as "teacup", "tiny specialists", "doll faced", or similar terminology.

9) Members shall sponsor an applicant for membership only if the member has personally known the applicant for a minimum of two years. At least one of the sponsoring members must have visited the applicant's facility one or more times during the two years immediately preceding the application date. Sponsorship is not to be taken lightly. Each sponsor must understand YTCA and the Yorkshire Terrier are represented by each and every member individually, and careful consideration should be given to each candidate.
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Lol, what you got I get now too, but a few minutes ago, I cut and pasted that from the site!

Barb,

We worked on the Code of Ethics and Conduct last year. Wording was changed in some of the rules and some were completely deleted. Some rules and regulations were moved to other areas.

Ommitting the old # 7 does not give an exhibitor leeway to enhance/alter the appearance. As that rule is covered in the AKC rules. So, being a member of YTCA we are mandated to follow YTCA Code Ethics/Conduct as well as AKC rules. If we found guilty of committing an infraction of AKC rules and are suspended from AKC we are automatically suspended from YTCA

Mary, thank you for clarifying that for me. It just surprised me when I did not see it there anymore.

Nancy, do you have AOL? Some internet service providers don't access the most current information from websites. It can get confusing.

No, I use Cox, but I'm also wondering if it may have just saved the page from the last time I visited, it's in my favorites folder. I don't really know, that was so odd, if I hadn't copied it and pasted it, I wouldn't have believed it.

I was on a few minutes ago and it was still there.
7) An exhibitor-member shall not alter a dog’s natural appearance except as provided
in the Yorkshire Terrier Standard.


Audrey

Most likely that is what happened. My husband builds websites and lots of times he will update a site for a client but the client will claim they don't see the updates. It is because they are just looking at a copy of the old site that has been saved by their internet provider. Most of the time if you reboot your computer you will see the newest version. Just one of those quirky things about the internet.

This is the twilight zone isn't it. Did you try refreshing the page?

The link I pasted above won't even open for me now, it did when I posted it.

See if this link works, it has a slightly different address. I found this page by going to the first page.

http://www.ytca.org/ethics2.html

I even rebooted my computer and went back.
I was on this page:

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America Code of Ethics

Audrey

Ok, these are the two addresses broken down, the first one is the one you linked, and the second one the one I linked with the change. If you notice in the address the only thing that is different is it says "ethics2" in the second link. So these are actually different pages we are getting. Not sure why.



[url=http://www.ytca.org/ethics.html][/url]

[url]http://www.ytca.org/ethics2.html[/url]



Try typing a "2" after ethics in the address, and you will get the new page.


By the way, the second page was revised "July 2009"

First page was revised "Dec. 20, 2000"

If YTCA members happened to post on this forum admitting they had colored their exhibits, would they be disciplined?

Mardelin answered it in this post.

Excellent. I'll dig up the posts if you'll make the complaint.

In order to be disciplined one has to commit the infraction at an AKC sactioned show. That entails being dismissed from the ring and given a DQ for a foreign substance found in the coat. In order to be suspended from AKC one has to be caught in the act if I'm not mistaken. Words on a fourm can be taken out of context, cut and pasted, be misconstrued.
You can make a complaint but the offense has to be documented and committed at an event. Words are hearsay.

I hope this helps answer your question.

Donna Bird

And let me add this...only a YTCA member can make a complaint about another member to the board. Anyone outside the YTCA membership can not make a valid complaint.
AKC could be another story but as I posted above the act has to be committed at the show with proof. Again, words are hearsay, even if written it's not backed and it wasn't an infraction at an AKC sanctioned show.

Donna

I'm not a member of the YTCA, I only endorse what they are trying to accomplish. I'm curious as to those threads you mention. Are you sure YTCA member admitted doing this or was this something a "show" breeder did. So many people think, just because a person is a show breeder they are also a member of the YTCA, and this is usually not the case. Anyone can call himself or herself a "show" breeder, and their motives for showing can vary greatly. I've read many times how show breeders do various things to manipulate the look, and handlers are often accused of doing things too. As one breeder said in the past, any breeder who is doing this is only fooling themselves, the goal should not only be to produce a great dog who is a wonderful and healthy example of the breed, but one who also is capable of producing wonderful healthy examples of the breed. If they cheated on the first dog, they are not adding anything valuable to their lines, and they are just cheating themselves.

By the way, the YTCA website says:

I have to ask...is this a "gotcha" thing going on? I know of the thread the person is talking about...not sure the title of the thread but there has been lots of discussions concerning "enhancements". Enhancements can be hairspray, gel, anti-stat, and conditioning spay ect...so ok I'm guilty of "enhancing" so I guess you can file a complaint against me and everyone else in the show world LOL...I believe the thread you are talking about was miscontrued as I noted in my first post so I'm not sure if you have a vendetta against anyone and I hope that isn't the case it's sad actually. If you feel "enhancing" is the most important gripe you have then I believe someone needs to change their prioritories and focus more on the health and over all well being and structure of the yorkshire terrier in the ring than "enhancing". If one feels the need to file a complaint make sure it's over something more important like mistreatment, abuse ect.....

JMHO

Donna Bird

bjh,
I am just curious!
How did you came up with the question like that?
I'm not a member of the YTCA, but I was never questioning there code of ethics!
Any time I have a question I go directly go to the YTCA (local) and find the answer I was looking for!
bjh,
So What are you questioning?
Did anyone didn't answer any of your question in a local club?

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Sorry!
Just a thought! :animal-pa

Yelena, I was questioning the change to the code of ethics of the YTCA. There have been many discussions on this forum about the practice of 'enhancing' the color of the Yorkshire Terrier. The reason I went back to read the code of ethic was because someone asked me a question about what the code of ethics said about changing the appearance of a dog. I was surprised when I saw it had been changed. I don't want to go around quoting the YTCA code of ethics incorrectly. The reason I posted the question on here is because I know several members on here are members of the YTCA and they would be able to give a good explanation as to why it was changed and I received a good explanation.

I just have to say but enhancing can mean a variety of things and it seems you and this silk person are so hung up on the color part that it takes away from what one would consider something as in health and structure much more important and what structurely correct. Barb I don't want to offend you in anyway but enhancing a yorkie is so less serious than inserting steel testicals so a male would have one and surgically doing teeth to have a perfect bite...coloring is such of a lesser evil to me...

Donna

This happens because your internet browser "caches" websites so that they load faster. However if you clear your cache or delete your browsers temporary files the website will load the most current version. No need to reboot your computer. In Internet Explorer it is in Tools > Internet Options > Under "Browsing History" select Delete and make sure "Temporary Internet Files" is selected.

Barb,

Thanks for bringing the question to light. It made me thing on when that particular ethics code was changed. I'd forgotten that we actually worked on the ethics & conduct rules last year. These things are always presented to the membership and never passed until fully discussed and voted on.

The code read, no physical altering; however, what it fails to expand on, is the infraction must occur at an AKC sanctioned event; in the ring. And although, it doesn't clairify what alteration; it is addressing to those that show taking an altered female into the ring, tied up ears, physically implanted testicles, showing a dog that has had leggs perthes corrected. Judges are very concerned about those issues.

Donna, would you explain this line to me? I've never heard of this, but I'm guessing it happens when the testicals don't descend properly, in order for the dog to be shown?

Exactly what it means.....

Ohhhh....

So, you understand the seriousness of some of these infractions.

I didn't have any idea before, but now... :eek::eek:!